Camp Cook

hoorta

@logicisforsquares said:

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2016/

Connor Cook has a private workout with the Browns.

Only if they're planning on taking him @ #32. I wouldn't read much into this- the Browns will workout every viable QB.

LogicIsForSquares

@hoorta said:

Only if they're planning on taking him @ #32.

This is my fear.

jiggins7919

I don't see Cook being available to us in the second round. I know that just about all of the mock drafts say he will, but something tells me the Broncos will snap him up with the last pick of the first. To me, he makes the most sense for them. Believe it or not, I think Wentz might actually slide. I could see the Rams taking Cook over Wentz because they need a guy right NOW. In many drafts, a QB can slide pretty far down if he makes it by the initial "QB hungry teams". The real question to me is, if Wentz begins to slide, to we make a move to get back into the first round? I would severely doubt it, but we'll see.

We've all heard the comments about Cook, and how it appears he wasn't a leader and all that, but how much do we really know about the guy? Is this all conjecture and bullshit? I would say where there's smoke there is fire, but has Cook been in trouble off the field? Does he have any of those red flags? I honestly don't know much about the guy, but what I've seen regarding his ability to play football, he seems like a player.

gftChris

I think Wentz is better than Cook right now, FWIW.

strglzer

@jiggins7919 said:

I don't see Cook being available to us in the second round. I know that just about all of the mock drafts say he will, but something tells me the Broncos will snap him up with the last pick of the first. To me, he makes the most sense for them. Believe it or not, I think Wentz might actually slide. I could see the Rams taking Cook over Wentz because they need a guy right NOW. In many drafts, a QB can slide pretty far down if he makes it by the initial "QB hungry teams". The real question to me is, if Wentz begins to slide, to we make a move to get back into the first round? I would severely doubt it, but we'll see.

We've all heard the comments about Cook, and how it appears he wasn't a leader and all that, but how much do we really know about the guy? Is this all conjecture and bullshit? I would say where there's smoke there is fire, but has Cook been in trouble off the field? Does he have any of those red flags? I honestly don't know much about the guy, but what I've seen regarding his ability to play football, he seems like a player.

OK, I'm going to chime in on this one, I've worked with Connor Cook's mom for over 25 years, she's been involved in Connor's football career his whole life, and I have followed him at the Green and White..... This kid is squeaky clean, With what I know, I would have no problem with him being the face of any franchise. If you watched him play as I have over his 3 years as a starter, there's no way he's not a leader of men. Alot of what you hear is all about money and to set the order of the draft, This kid is a winner both on an off the field... Goff and Wentz are grabbing all the head lines but Connor is as good as both of them, The team that draft's Connor is going to get the sleeper QB in this draft....

calfoxwc

no, Conner Cook is second tier vs Goff and Wentz.

He doesn't have off the field red flags, he just isn't an elite qb prospect.

Here's a nice article about the good and not so good about Conner Cook

on the field.

I think he is more a mid 2nd round pick at best, just my opinion.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2610727-quarterback-connor-cook-is-most-polarizing-player-in-2016-nfl-draft#

gftChris

I took him in about round 3 for the cowboys and I could see that playing out in real life.

darren15

Jon Gruden just said on ESPN that Michigan State's Connor Cook "is gonna be the best QB in this draft."

gftChris

@darren15 said:

Jon Gruden just said on ESPN that Michigan State's Connor Cook "is gonna be the best QB in this draft."

Nail in the coffin.

hoorta

@calfoxwc said:

no, Conner Cook is second tier vs Goff and Wentz.

He doesn't have off the field red flags, he just isn't an elite qb prospect.

Here's a nice article about the good and not so good about Conner Cook

on the field.

I think he is more a mid 2nd round pick at best, just my opinion.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2610727-quarterback-connor-cook-is-most-polarizing-player-in-2016-nfl-draft#

ESPN was discussing him- Knocks are completion % and accuracy.

@darren15 said:
Jon Gruden just said on ESPN that Michigan State's Connor Cook "is gonna be the best QB in this draft."

I saw that during the above.

Mike H

I don't like Cook for many reasons, some I have already said. Plus his arm strength is poor.

Know how many QBs have succeeded with a bad arm? Not many.

Cook is now expected to take a major drop down the draft boards after registering a 50mph velocity at the combine. He had the weakest arm out of any QB at the combine.

In comparison Kellen Moore threw a 52 mph ball at the combine.

Michigan State's Connor Cook registered a velocity measurement of just 50 miles per hour on the radar gun at the NFL Combine.
Paxton Lynch (59 MPH), Jared Goff (58), and Carson Wentz (57) all exhibited strong velocity at the Combine. Per Rotoviz's Jon Moore via Ourlads' Dan Shonka, Cook's miles-per-hour measurement was the weakest of all quarterbacks invited to Indianapolis. Cook also opted out of the Senior Bowl, which is where NFL scouts assess throwing strength live. A big-named passer in college, Cook is likely headed for a draft-day plunge. And there are several additional red flags on Cook not related to his underwhelming passing ability.

The Gipper

@mike-h said:

I don't like Cook for many reasons, some I have already said. Plus his arm strength is poor.

Know how many QBs have succeeded with a bad arm? Not many.

Cook is now expected to take a major drop down the draft boards after registering a 50mph velocity at the combine. He had the weakest arm out of any QB at the combine.
In comparison Kellen Moore threw a 52 mph ball at the combine.

Michigan State's Connor Cook registered a velocity measurement of just 50 miles per hour on the radar gun at the NFL Combine.

Paxton Lynch (59 MPH), Jared Goff (58), and Carson Wentz (57) all exhibited strong velocity at the Combine. Per Rotoviz's Jon Moore via Ourlads' Dan Shonka, Cook's miles-per-hour measurement was the weakest of all quarterbacks invited to Indianapolis. Cook also opted out of the Senior Bowl, which is where NFL scouts assess throwing strength live. A big-named passer in college, Cook is likely headed for a draft-day plunge. And there are several additional red flags on Cook not related to his underwhelming passing ability.

Do you know how fast some current or former NFL QBs have thrown the ball?

Mike H

@the-gipper said:
Do you know how fast some current or former NFL QBs have thrown the ball?

Year: 2016

Paxton Lynch, Memphis 59

Jared Goff, California 58

Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57

Christian Hackenberg, Penn State 56

Joel Stave, Wisconsin 56

Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State 56

Josh Woodrum, Liberty 56

Cody Kessler, Southern Cal 55

Brandon Allen, Arkansas 55

Trevone Boykin, TCU 55

Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54

Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54

Kevin Hogan, Stanford 53

Brandon Doughty, Western Kentucky 53

Vernon Adams, Oregon 53

Jeff Driskel, Louisana Tech 52

Connor Cook, Michigan State 50

Cardale Jones, Ohio State, Did not throw

Bryan Bennett, SE Louisiana

Year: 2015

Bryan Bennett, SE Louisiana 60

Sean Mannion, Oregon State 57

Brandon Bridge, South Alabama 57

Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56

Anthony Boone, Duke 56

Jameis Winston, Florida State 55

Cody Fajardo, Nevada 55

Bryce Petty, Baylor 53

Brett Hundley, UCLA 53

Shane Carden, East Carolina 52

Jerry Lovelocke, Prairie View A&M 51

Nick Marshall, Auburn 50

Blake Sims, Alabama 42

Garrett Grayson, Colorado State, Did not throw

Connor Halliday, Washington State, Did not throw

Jimmy Garoppolo – 2014

YEAR: 2014

Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech 60

Stephen Morris, Miami 59

Tom Savage, Pittsburgh 57

Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56

Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56

Jeff Mathews, Cornell 56

Keith Wenning, Ball State 56

Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois 55

Tajh Boyd, Clemson 54

Bryn Renner, North Carolina 54

David Fales, San Jose State 53

AJ McCarron, Alabama 53

Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M 53

Connor Shaw, South Carolina 50

Teddy Twatwater, Louisville – Did not throw

Derek Carr, Fresno State – Did not throw

Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M – Did not throw

Zach Mettenberger, LSU – Did not throw

Aaron Murray, Georgia – Did not throw

Geno Smith – 2013

YEAR: 2013

Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59

Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59

James Vandenberg, Iowa 57

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56

Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56

Geno Smith, West Virginia 55

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55

EJ Manuel, Florida State 54

Matthew Scott, Arizona 54

Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53

Collin Klein, Kansas State 52

Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51

Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51

Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49

Matt Barkley, Southern Cal – Did not throw

Sean Renfree, Duke – Did not throw

Brandon Weeden – 2012

YEAR: 2012

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59

Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi 58

Nick Foles, Arizona 57

Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois 57

Jordan Jefferson, LSU 57

Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55

Casey Keenum, Houston 55

Patrick Witt, Yale 54

Darron Thomas, Oregon 53

Ryan Lindley, San Diego State 52

Kellen Moore, Boise State 52

Jacory Harris, Miami 50

Aaron Corp, Richmond 50

BJ Coleman, Tennessee-Chattanooga Did not throw

Robert Griffin III, Baylor Did not throw

Andrew Luck, Stanford Did not throw

Brock Osweiler, Arizona State Did not throw

Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M Did not throw

Andy Dalton 2011

YEAR: 2011

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59

Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58

Patrick Devlin, Delaware 56

Andy Dalton, TCU 56

Cam Newton, Auburn 56

Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin 55

Nathan Enderle, Idaho 54

Jake Locker, Washington 54

TJ Yates, North Carolina 52

Christian Ponder, Florida St 51

Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 50

Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50

Greg McElroy, Alabama Did not throw

Blaine Gabbert, Missouri Did not throw

John Skelton 2010

YEAR: 2010

Levi Brown, Troy 56

Colt McCoy, Texas 56 (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball.

Max Hall, BYU 52

Tim Hiller, Western Michigan 52

Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52

Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St. 52

Jevan Snead, Mississippi 52

Sean Canfield, Oregon St. 51

Jarrett Brown, West Virginia 50

John Skelton, Fordham 50

Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan 49

Tony Pike, Cincinnati 49

Armanti Edwards, Appalachian St. 46.5

Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Did not throw

Jimmy Clausen,Notre Dame Did not throw

Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee Did not throw

Tim Tebow, Florida Did not throw

Josh Freeman 2009

YEAR: 2009

John Wilson Parker, Alabama 58

Mike Reilly, Central Washington 58

Drew Willy, Buffalo 58

Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57

Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57

Chase Daniels, Missouri 57

Nate Davis, Ball State 56

Curtis Painter, Purdue 56

Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State 55

Tom Brandstetter, Fresno State 53

Cullen Harper, Clemson 53

Stephen McGee, Texas A & M 53

Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 52

Pat White, West Virginia 52

Matt Stafford, Georgia Did not throw

Joe Flacco 2008

YEAR 2008:

Paul Smith, Tulsa 57

Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

Kevin O’Connell, San Diego St 55

Brian Brohm, Louisville 53

Chad Henne, Michigan 53

Erik Ainge, Tennessee 52

John David Booty, Southern Cal 51

Matt Flynn, LSU 50

Josh Johnson, San Diego 49

Colt Brennan, Hawaii 44

Dennis Dixon, Oregon Did not throw

Matt Ryan, Boston College Did not throw

Andre Woodson, Kentucky Did not throw

Connor Shaw, Ricky Stanzi and Tyrod Taylor are the most notable players to hit just 50 MPH since 2008. Not a great group to be in

Mike H

I asked a follow-up to the author (Dan Shonka, owner of Ourlads scouting)

Hey Dan -- how are the velocity speeds calculated for this? http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ …

Is there a separate drill designed to test velocity, or are speeds taken during different drills?

Mar 2

Mike, The QBs throw out cuts to their right and then to the left. The radar gun records their peak speed in both directions. The ball is thrown to a standing receiver

I asked the question because I wanted to know if they were throwing at a moving target, or if they were able to wind-up and uncork it. This drill is intended for players to get maximum velocity/torque...

Cook has a noodle arm, like I thought after watching all his tape. Hard pass for me

gumby73

As a HS football scout this is LOL Gold. Gip, these scouts have got all the info anybody would need. Does a college or pro head of scouting trust the info? No way José. Did we see Hue & staff with Wentz & Goff. Hell Yes,(with our old scouting masters still in place . I don't blame them).. They have their own OWN IT answer. We will see & We will all know at pick#2..

hoorta

@mike-h said:

I asked a follow-up to the author (Dan Shonka, owner of Ourlads scouting)

Hey Dan -- how are the velocity speeds calculated for this? http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ …

Is there a separate drill designed to test velocity, or are speeds taken during different drills?

Mike, The QBs throw out cuts to their right and then to the left. The radar gun records their peak speed in both directions. The ball is thrown to a standing receiver

I asked the question because I wanted to know if they were throwing at a moving target, or if they were able to wind-up and uncork it. This drill is intended for players to get maximum velocity/torque...

Cook has a noodle arm, like I thought after watching all his tape. Hard pass for me

Verrrryyyy interesting Mike. Shows just because you can throw rockets doesn't guarantee NFL success. Fer sure, looks like you had better be in the mid 50s+ though.

Regarding Cook- weak arm + I forgot he skipped the Senior Bowl + was never voted a team Captain- steer clear MHO.

Mike H

FWIW, Cook hurt his throwing shoulder in November 2015 and may not have been fully healed by the time the combine measurement was taken. I still didn't see a "live" arm before the injury.

wargograw

Dang. A football at 60 MPH? I never would've thought those things are flying that fast.

The Gipper

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

Just goes to show that velocity and accuracy and competency are far different matters.

MLD Woody

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