2016 O-Line Draft: Offensive Tackles
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I watched a lot of Temple and Rutgers football this year. A bunch of my family went to both schools. I really like Matakevich and Carroo.
You described Tyler's game well. He is in on every play and just cleans it up. Nothing highlight reel but a sound tackler.
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I watched a lot of Temple and Rutgers football this year. A bunch of my family went to both schools. I really like Matakevich and Carroo.
You described Tyler's game well. He is in on every play and just cleans it up. Nothing highlight reel but a sound tackler.
I watched a lot of Temple and Rutgers football this year. A bunch of my family went to both schools. I really like Matakevich and Carroo.
You described Tyler's game well. He is in on every play and just cleans it up. Nothing highlight reel but a sound tackler.
Thanks LFS! Now that Farmer's gone - we have a better chance the new FO will be identifying reliable tacklers on film.
Canton Mike informed me Carroo has a domestic violence incident or 2 which was a bad undersight on my part. My apology for the bad idea. That said, there's gotta be other WRs with equitable talent and skills we can snag as mid to late bargains though.
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I. Avery Young (AUB) - 6'5 328 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=125946&draftyear=2016&genpos=OTSometimes the other guy might be the guy? May not exactly be the case here, but opposite his more publicized, LT counterpart (you have to look at Coleman tape to see Young), Avery looks pretty good.While I like Coleman better, taking Young at least one day later may be the better value. The experience of watching Young at RT opposite Coleman at LT was reminiscent of seeing Schwartz opposite Joe in that you know one is better, but the other is nearly as effective.Young showed a good chop in PassPro with generally good feet in all aspects of his game. He used his hands well in run blocking keeping them inside... not so much in PassPro. Bad habit of dipping his head at impact in either run or pass blocking which he pays for at times.Lined up opposite Nkemdiche in one short yardage situation and got stuffed...
I. Avery Young (AUB) - 6'5 328 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=125946&draftyear=2016&genpos=OTSometimes the other guy might be the guy? May not exactly be the case here, but opposite his more publicized, LT counterpart (you have to look at Coleman tape to see Young), Avery looks pretty good.While I like Coleman better, taking Young at least one day later may be the better value. The experience of watching Young at RT opposite Coleman at LT was reminiscent of seeing Schwartz opposite Joe in that you know one is better, but the other is nearly as effective.Young showed a good chop in PassPro with generally good feet in all aspects of his game. He used his hands well in run blocking keeping them inside... not so much in PassPro. Bad habit of dipping his head at impact in either run or pass blocking which he pays for at times.Lined up opposite Nkemdiche in one short yardage situation and got stuffed...I took Avery in Round 7 for the Jags in our mock ....... he has upside
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I watched a lot of Temple and Rutgers football this year. A bunch of my family went to both schools. I really like Matakevich and Carroo.
You described Tyler's game well. He is in on every play and just cleans it up. Nothing highlight reel but a sound tackler.
Thanks LFS! Now that Farmer's gone - we have a better chance the new FO will be identifying reliable tacklers on film.
Canton Mike informed me Carroo has a domestic violence incident or 2 which was a bad undersight on my part. My apology for the bad idea. That said, there's gotta be other WRs with equitable talent and skills we can snag as mid to late bargains though.
Thanks LFS! Now that Farmer's gone - we have a better chance the new FO will be identifying reliable tacklers on film.
Canton Mike informed me Carroo has a domestic violence incident or 2 which was a bad undersight on my part. My apology for the bad idea. That said, there's gotta be other WRs with equitable talent and skills we can snag as mid to late bargains though.
Yeah didn't know about all that. No way they should take that guy. Already had enough drama.
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Except I think Young is going to be only an OG in the pros.
Probably a terrific OG. I don't see him staying at tackle.
But character, work ethic, and love for the game has to be there.
Sometimes the ultimate showstoppers with changing a tackle to a guard when enters the NFL is the ability/lackthereof to trap and pull. 2 examples that jump out at me are Gilkey and Lauvao. Both, were really drive blockers at the line of scrimmage in college. Trapping and pulling is an art that every big frame doesn't necessarily have. Eric Steinbach played Offensive Tackle at Iowa under Kirk Ferentz (who was our Oline Coach the last time we won a playoff game in the 90s) before he became a very efficient OG in the NFL. Robert Gallery, who also played for Ferentz, struggled as a Tackle but rallied his way into a comfortable niche at OG shortly thereafter. Steinbach was terrific at pulling and trapping as well as getting to the next tier of defense, something that would rub off on Alex Mack very early on in his career here.
As a former Guard way back in BC (Before Cellphones), our coach would always say you guys act bored with this stances and start stuff. Inevitably someone would ask how difficult is it to grasp this when we do it over and over and over? Then we would do Okie drills with David whipping Goliath's ass repeatedly without needing a sling shot. The we'd get treated to: "Too high out of stance? Welcome to the seat of your pants from the poet that wants you to know it!" Coach's favorite was busting our line for what's coming before we snapped the ball. He'd blow it dead during the QB cadence and say here comes a 48 quick pitch thanks to the dead give away from our OG's brand new stance with a lean this play. Or he'd say our Center wants his mother up in the top of the stands to know we're running to the right. Instinctive defensive players pick up on these pre-snap keys really easily. Relating this the Browns, every time Gilkey trapped or pulled - opponents had a defensive team meeting in our backfield. They picked it up on film and it turned out to be an easy pre-snap key. Another thing he was terrible at was his inability to stay tight to the line of scrimmage when he trapped. He bellied back and 1 time he clobbered our QB who was trying to sell a play action fake prior to handing off for the counter. Aside from bellying back, he had his head down. That doesn't happen in all cases; but it's the type of stuff you can get from inexperienced players on a position change that may not be best suited to play OG. Greco eventually became an efficient Guard here but that wasn't exactly immediate. Bitonio looks like he picked it up quicker than most so I feel like he's more of an exception to the rule at least in recent years here in Cleveland. 1 year later, we changed OCs and he struggled some albeit part of that was playing through/around injury. Love that kid! Moving forward, I would rather see us draft a true Guard mid-late that shows us on film he can trap and pull without tipping teams off. When you think about it, the run on guards usually starts much later than the run on tackles so this is a position you can steal later in the draft if you have a decent FO.
Sometimes the ultimate showstoppers with changing a tackle to a guard when enters the NFL is the ability/lackthereof to trap and pull. 2 examples that jump out at me are Gilkey and Lauvao. Both, were really drive blockers at the line of scrimmage in college. Trapping and pulling is an art that every big frame doesn't necessarily have. Eric Steinbach played Offensive Tackle at Iowa under Kirk Ferentz (who was our Oline Coach the last time we won a playoff game in the 90s) before he became a very efficient OG in the NFL. Robert Gallery, who also played for Ferentz, struggled as a Tackle but rallied his way into a comfortable niche at OG shortly thereafter. Steinbach was terrific at pulling and trapping as well as getting to the next tier of defense, something that would rub off on Alex Mack very early on in his career here.
As a former Guard way back in BC (Before Cellphones), our coach would always say you guys act bored with this stances and start stuff. Inevitably someone would ask how difficult is it to grasp this when we do it over and over and over? Then we would do Okie drills with David whipping Goliath's ass repeatedly without needing a sling shot. The we'd get treated to: "Too high out of stance? Welcome to the seat of your pants from the poet that wants you to know it!" Coach's favorite was busting our line for what's coming before we snapped the ball. He'd blow it dead during the QB cadence and say here comes a 48 quick pitch thanks to the dead give away from our OG's brand new stance with a lean this play. Or he'd say our Center wants his mother up in the top of the stands to know we're running to the right. Instinctive defensive players pick up on these pre-snap keys really easily. Relating this the Browns, every time Gilkey trapped or pulled - opponents had a defensive team meeting in our backfield.
I know I give you shit at times for your... ummmm... "verbiational" volume... but there are times when your recall astounds me... This was one of those times.
Were there at least walkie-talkies"in your time"?
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Sometimes the ultimate showstoppers with changing a tackle to a guard when enters the NFL is the ability/lackthereof to trap and pull. 2 examples that jump out at me are Gilkey and Lauvao. Both, were really drive blockers at the line of scrimmage in college. Trapping and pulling is an art that every big frame doesn't necessarily have. Eric Steinbach played Offensive Tackle at Iowa under Kirk Ferentz (who was our Oline Coach the last time we won a playoff game in the 90s) before he became a very efficient OG in the NFL. Robert Gallery, who also played for Ferentz, struggled as a Tackle but rallied his way into a comfortable niche at OG shortly thereafter. Steinbach was terrific at pulling and trapping as well as getting to the next tier of defense, something that would rub off on Alex Mack very early on in his career here.
As a former Guard way back in BC (Before Cellphones), our coach would always say you guys act bored with this stances and start stuff. Inevitably someone would ask how difficult is it to grasp this when we do it over and over and over? Then we would do Okie drills with David whipping Goliath's ass repeatedly without needing a sling shot. The we'd get treated to: "Too high out of stance? Welcome to the seat of your pants from the poet that wants you to know it!" Coach's favorite was busting our line for what's coming before we snapped the ball. He'd blow it dead during the QB cadence and say here comes a 48 quick pitch thanks to the dead give away from our OG's brand new stance with a lean this play. Or he'd say our Center wants his mother up in the top of the stands to know we're running to the right. Instinctive defensive players pick up on these pre-snap keys really easily. Relating this the Browns, every time Gilkey trapped or pulled - opponents had a defensive team meeting in our backfield.
I know I give you shit at times for your... ummmm... "verbiational" volume... but there are times when your recall astounds me... This was one of those times.
Were there at least walkie-talkies"in your time"?
I know I give you shit at times for your... ummmm... "verbiational" volume... but there are times when your recall astounds me... This was one of those times.
Were there at least walkie-talkies"in your time"?
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Sometimes the ultimate showstoppers with changing a tackle to a guard when enters the NFL is the ability/lackthereof to trap and pull. 2 examples that jump out at me are Gilkey and Lauvao. Both, were really drive blockers at the line of scrimmage in college. Trapping and pulling is an art that every big frame doesn't necessarily have. Eric Steinbach played Offensive Tackle at Iowa under Kirk Ferentz (who was our Oline Coach the last time we won a playoff game in the 90s) before he became a very efficient OG in the NFL. Robert Gallery, who also played for Ferentz, struggled as a Tackle but rallied his way into a comfortable niche at OG shortly thereafter. Steinbach was terrific at pulling and trapping as well as getting to the next tier of defense, something that would rub off on Alex Mack very early on in his career here.
As a former Guard way back in BC (Before Cellphones), our coach would always say you guys act bored with this stances and start stuff. Inevitably someone would ask how difficult is it to grasp this when we do it over and over and over? Then we would do Okie drills with David whipping Goliath's ass repeatedly without needing a sling shot. The we'd get treated to: "Too high out of stance? Welcome to the seat of your pants from the poet that wants you to know it!" Coach's favorite was busting our line for what's coming before we snapped the ball. He'd blow it dead during the QB cadence and say here comes a 48 quick pitch thanks to the dead give away from our OG's brand new stance with a lean this play. Or he'd say our Center wants his mother up in the top of the stands to know we're running to the right. Instinctive defensive players pick up on these pre-snap keys really easily. Relating this the Browns, every time Gilkey trapped or pulled - opponents had a defensive team meeting in our backfield.
I know I give you shit at times for your... ummmm... "verbiational" volume... but there are times when your recall astounds me... This was one of those times.
Were there at least walkie-talkies"in your time"?
I know I give you shit at times for your... ummmm... "verbiational" volume... but there are times when your recall astounds me... This was one of those times.
Were there at least walkie-talkies"in your time"?
LOL! Yeah there were walkie-talkies; but roosters were still competing with alarm clocks.
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---------------------------------------- God bless ya! My wife would love this idea Aggie. Just today, I got the ole: "how come you can't remember me asking you to take the garbage out just 5 minutes ago but you can remember anything about football from over 35 years ago?"
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---------------------------------------- God bless ya! My wife would love this idea Aggie. Just today, I got the ole: "how come you can't remember me asking you to take the garbage out just 5 minutes ago but you can remember anything about football from over 35 years ago?"
God bless ya! My wife would love this idea Aggie. Just today, I got the ole: "how come you can't remember me asking you to take the garbage out just 5 minutes ago but you can remember anything about football from over 35 years ago?"
LOL-my wife thinks I am a walking sports encyclopedia who can't follow simple "orders". I tell her my trash, vacuum, mow, etc. filters are clogged up with too many back orders.
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I keep telling my wife it's because she speaks in "womaneze" which is a language the male species cannot comprehend. She claims I just have selective hearing.
Mike
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I keep telling my wife it's because she speaks in "womaneze" which is a language the male species cannot comprehend. She claims I just have selective hearing.
Mike
She claims I just have selective hearing.
I resemble that remark...
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