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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #97

    In the words of Ted Cruz... "Breathe.... breathe..."

  • In the words of Ted Cruz... "Breathe.... breathe..."

    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
    #98

    @tour2ma said:

    In the words of Ted Cruz... "Breathe.... breathe..."

    why because i'd like to see the Browns build a base of players that like Cleveland and want to play here potentially their whole careers and 'gasp" settle down here? All these years of watching guys half ass their way through a season collecting some of the highest pay checks in the league, remember our defense was the highest paid overall defense in the league (a fact that blew my mind wide open given some of the contracts out there to guys like Suh), you're not bothered by the fact that not only do we tend to toss those guys...we don't even replace them with anything better and often we end up having to replace them with older higher priced replacements....this sits well with you? DQ, Ward, Cribbs, Benji....all guys that actually did play like a Brown.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #99

    I'm not disturbed by any of our 2016 FA losses so far...

    Losing DQ, TJ, Cribbs also caused me no issues...

    Overpaying DA was one of the last times I was deeply upset by a FA move we made... especially when it was not followed up by trading him.

    Correction: Signing Delhomme came after re-signing DA...

  • @tour2ma said:

    In the words of Ted Cruz... "Breathe.... breathe..."

    why because i'd like to see the Browns build a base of players that like Cleveland and want to play here potentially their whole careers and 'gasp" settle down here? All these years of watching guys half ass their way through a season collecting some of the highest pay checks in the league, remember our defense was the highest paid overall defense in the league (a fact that blew my mind wide open given some of the contracts out there to guys like Suh), you're not bothered by the fact that not only do we tend to toss those guys...we don't even replace them with anything better and often we end up having to replace them with older higher priced replacements....this sits well with you? DQ, Ward, Cribbs, Benji....all guys that actually did play like a Brown.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly

    @clevfan4life said:

    All these years of watching guys half ass their way through a season collecting some of the highest pay checks in the league, remember our defense was the highest paid overall defense in the league (a fact that blew my mind wide open given some of the contracts out there to guys like Suh)

    Exactly....we've been paying too much for too little.....for too long...

    Looks like this FO plans to stop that trend....

    Its not as if we had the best defensive player...or even close....just a bunch of middle of the pack guys, with all-pro type contracts....

    Glad we're taking a stand.....and $8 mil to Benji would have been more of the same....

    Bottom line....if they REALLY want to be Browns for life, they'll sign for a reasonable price, instead of demanding more than they are worth.....and if they leave for a few extra bucks, then they weren't committed to begin with....lots of top tier stars even take less to stay with their teams and help them to grow....Joe Thomas is an example.....

    Browns just offered Scwartz more than any other team did, then he wants to go back to Atl and use our offer to renegotiate with them???.....thats why they pulled it and why he clearly didnt want to be here....otherwise he signs.....

    We have a team full of average players....none of these guys will make or break us....period...

  • @tour2ma said:

    In the words of Ted Cruz... "Breathe.... breathe..."

    why because i'd like to see the Browns build a base of players that like Cleveland and want to play here potentially their whole careers and 'gasp" settle down here? All these years of watching guys half ass their way through a season collecting some of the highest pay checks in the league, remember our defense was the highest paid overall defense in the league (a fact that blew my mind wide open given some of the contracts out there to guys like Suh), you're not bothered by the fact that not only do we tend to toss those guys...we don't even replace them with anything better and often we end up having to replace them with older higher priced replacements....this sits well with you? DQ, Ward, Cribbs, Benji....all guys that actually did play like a Brown.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969

    @clevfan4life said:

    why because i'd like to see the Browns build a base of players that like Cleveland and want to play here potentially their whole careers and 'gasp" settle down here? All these years of watching guys half ass their way through a season collecting some of the highest pay checks in the league, remember our defense was the highest paid overall defense in the league (a fact that blew my mind wide open given some of the contracts out there to guys like Suh), you're not bothered by the fact that not only do we tend to toss those guys...we don't even replace them with anything better and often we end up having to replace them with older higher priced replacements....this sits well with you? DQ, Ward, Cribbs, Benji....all guys that actually did play like a Brown.

    I think you put your finger on what is bothering me about today. We say we want to retain these guys, but then we just let them go with seemingly no plan to replace the quality. How can you build if you don't really keep building blocks?

    "Slip sliding away, slip sliding away

    You know the nearer your destination, the more you're slip sliding away"

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by

    Cmon guys....sheesh....Benji is not a building block....and Mack was gone no matter what....and now we made the best offer to Schwartz and he's still got eyes elsewhere....

    What are they supposed to do....cause the only option "appears" to be WAY overpay.....is that really a solution?...

    How about we just sign guys who WANT to be here, instead of overpaying for douche bags who dont....eh????

  • Cmon guys....sheesh....Benji is not a building block....and Mack was gone no matter what....and now we made the best offer to Schwartz and he's still got eyes elsewhere....

    What are they supposed to do....cause the only option "appears" to be WAY overpay.....is that really a solution?...

    How about we just sign guys who WANT to be here, instead of overpaying for douche bags who dont....eh????

    BrownsnMoparB BrownsnMopar wrote on last edited by

    @mudfly said:

    Cmon guys....sheesh....Benji is not a building block....and Mack was gone no matter what....and now we made the best offer to Schwartz and he's still got eyes elsewhere....

    What are they supposed to do....cause the only option "appears" to be WAY overpay.....is that really a solution?...

    How about we just sign guys who WANT to be here, instead of overpaying for douche bags who dont....eh????

    Thanks Mud for hittin the nail on the head! Just keep hammering!!!

  • Cmon guys....sheesh....Benji is not a building block....and Mack was gone no matter what....and now we made the best offer to Schwartz and he's still got eyes elsewhere....

    What are they supposed to do....cause the only option "appears" to be WAY overpay.....is that really a solution?...

    How about we just sign guys who WANT to be here, instead of overpaying for douche bags who dont....eh????

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969

    @mudfly said:

    Cmon guys....sheesh....Benji is not a building block....and Mack was gone no matter what....and now we made the best offer to Schwartz and he's still got eyes elsewhere....

    What are they supposed to do....cause the only option "appears" to be WAY overpay.....is that really a solution?...

    How about we just sign guys who WANT to be here, instead of overpaying for douche bags who dont....eh????

    Maybe we should have rewarded then by paying more than they expected before FA started Monday. Reward the loyalty of wanting to be here. Probably would not have kept Mack but it might have worked with the other 3. The analytics guys should have figured out that it's a sellers market and we are the buyers.

  • @mudfly said:

    Cmon guys....sheesh....Benji is not a building block....and Mack was gone no matter what....and now we made the best offer to Schwartz and he's still got eyes elsewhere....

    What are they supposed to do....cause the only option "appears" to be WAY overpay.....is that really a solution?...

    How about we just sign guys who WANT to be here, instead of overpaying for douche bags who dont....eh????

    Thanks Mud for hittin the nail on the head! Just keep hammering!!!

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly

    @brownsnmopar said:

    Thanks Mud for hittin the nail on the head! Just keep hammering!!!

    Ha!...you're welcome....Im getting pretty used to swimming against the tide around here.....

    Honestly...you'd think we were losing 4 pro bowlers and our whole future here.....I think Cleveland fans maybe have forgotten what a really good player actually looks like....

    Hell....in 2013, Gordon had 3 games in a row that added up to more yards than Benji had in 3 years....seriously...

  • @mudfly said:

    Cmon guys....sheesh....Benji is not a building block....and Mack was gone no matter what....and now we made the best offer to Schwartz and he's still got eyes elsewhere....

    What are they supposed to do....cause the only option "appears" to be WAY overpay.....is that really a solution?...

    How about we just sign guys who WANT to be here, instead of overpaying for douche bags who dont....eh????

    Maybe we should have rewarded then by paying more than they expected before FA started Monday. Reward the loyalty of wanting to be here. Probably would not have kept Mack but it might have worked with the other 3. The analytics guys should have figured out that it's a sellers market and we are the buyers.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by

    @texasag1969 said:

    Maybe we should have rewarded then by paying more than they expected before FA started Monday. Reward the loyalty of wanting to be here. Probably would not have kept Mack but it might have worked with the other 3.

    I think we tried and they just wanted to wait and go for the big $$$.....

  • @clevfan4life said:

    All these years of watching guys half ass their way through a season collecting some of the highest pay checks in the league, remember our defense was the highest paid overall defense in the league (a fact that blew my mind wide open given some of the contracts out there to guys like Suh)

    Exactly....we've been paying too much for too little.....for too long...

    Looks like this FO plans to stop that trend....

    Its not as if we had the best defensive player...or even close....just a bunch of middle of the pack guys, with all-pro type contracts....

    Glad we're taking a stand.....and $8 mil to Benji would have been more of the same....

    Bottom line....if they REALLY want to be Browns for life, they'll sign for a reasonable price, instead of demanding more than they are worth.....and if they leave for a few extra bucks, then they weren't committed to begin with....lots of top tier stars even take less to stay with their teams and help them to grow....Joe Thomas is an example.....

    Browns just offered Scwartz more than any other team did, then he wants to go back to Atl and use our offer to renegotiate with them???.....thats why they pulled it and why he clearly didnt want to be here....otherwise he signs.....

    We have a team full of average players....none of these guys will make or break us....period...

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by

    @mudfly said:

    Exactly....we've been paying too much for too little.....for too long...

    I just saw a list of the teams that have spent the most on UFA's in the past 10 years... We were #6 with $500mm spent...

    @mudfly said:

    Hell....in 2013, Gordon had 3 games in a row that added up to more yards than Benji had in 3 years....seriously...

    IKR... Just flashed his career stats on ESPN... with a little luck he'll pass 1000-yds receiving this year.