The Lions sign Marvin Jones for 8 million a year
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Fair enough on Mack, but they tried to "cheap" Benji compared to what SD is offering. And now what are we doing to retain Schwartz and Gipson?
Benji got $6million....that is nowhere near "cheap"....he's not worth it.....he aint Antonio Brown guys....
this is exactly correct. RaidersBaltiwhore's OL Osemelee gets 36.6 million in the first 3 yrs of a 5 yr,58.5 deal to go to the Raiders.
Janoris Jenkins signs with the Giants ... for MORE than 12 million a year. The Jags' deal with DL Malik Jackson is 90
million over six years...42 million guaranteed.
This stuff is stupid, especially for the Browns, who need more than one or two players to be a playoff team.
Exactly.....if we were close, then maybe.....but overpaying average talent gets us nowhere, except into regrettable contracts
And, history shows that overpaid FA's usually end up getting cut or restructured almost immediatey.....ask Miami....
Bengals are way closer than we are, yet didnt see the need to keep Jones @ $8m.....
Im good if we sign Scwartz and think he's the most important of the guys we are faced with losing.....I had Mack gone long ago.....and Gipson/Benji just aint all that.....
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Fair enough on Mack, but they tried to "cheap" Benji compared to what SD is offering. And now what are we doing to retain Schwartz and Gipson?
How many wins did Benji net us in his career?
How many wins did Benji net us in his career?
Hello cpt shortsight, per usual.
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i'm ok with not overpaying guys from other teams tbh. I wouldn't have minded Jones but hey, if Detroit gives him more money AND he's got Matthew Stafford throwing to him....waddya gonna do? He probably would have still chosen Detroit even if we offered a few more bucks because of that.....Stafford vs McCown/draft nub....not a hard call.
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How many wins did Benji net us in his career?
Hello cpt shortsight, per usual.
Hello cpt shortsight, per usual.
Please enlighten me, then, on how losing Travis Benjamin is going to set this franchise back for years.
I'd love to hear that explanation.
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Hello cpt shortsight, per usual.
Please enlighten me, then, on how losing Travis Benjamin is going to set this franchise back for years.
I'd love to hear that explanation.
Please enlighten me, then, on how losing Travis Benjamin is going to set this franchise back for years.
I'd love to hear that explanation.
It won't, but we do need some dynamic Kick returners on this team. Who do you think those will be?
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Please enlighten me, then, on how losing Travis Benjamin is going to set this franchise back for years.
I'd love to hear that explanation.
It won't, but we do need some dynamic Kick returners on this team. Who do you think those will be?
It won't, but we do need some dynamic Kick returners on this team. Who do you think those will be?
Danny Shelton or Xavier Cooper. Let em try to storm downfield and try to slap them
into the turf. Ain't happenin.
Cooper used to play soccer, he has quick feet. And Shelton could average Benjamin's return average in a lava.
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Please enlighten me, then, on how losing Travis Benjamin is going to set this franchise back for years.
I'd love to hear that explanation.
It won't, but we do need some dynamic Kick returners on this team. Who do you think those will be?
It won't, but we do need some dynamic Kick returners on this team. Who do you think those will be?
One of the multitude of quick, undersized guys we currently have on our roster. I'm pretty sure Taylor Gabriel is still hanging on.
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We have good kick returners and Benji wasnt one of them.....Moore and Gilbert do that quite well and Benji only did it in 2014 and was terrible(20 yd average).....Heck, Gilbert was one of the best in the league, so Id expect to see more of that with Hue....
Punt returns?....yeah, benji was pretty good there, but lets be honest, the difference between the top punt returners and middle of the pack guys is about 3 yards per return(tops)....or less than 5 yards per game avg....so, its not that big of a deal really....
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It won't, but we do need some dynamic Kick returners on this team. Who do you think those will be?
Danny Shelton or Xavier Cooper. Let em try to storm downfield and try to slap them
into the turf. Ain't happenin.
Cooper used to play soccer, he has quick feet. And Shelton could average Benjamin's return average in a lava.
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We have good kick returners and Benji wasnt one of them.....Moore and Gilbert do that quite well and Benji only did it in 2014 and was terrible(20 yd average).....Heck, Gilbert was one of the best in the league, so Id expect to see more of that with Hue....
Punt returns?....yeah, benji was pretty good there, but lets be honest, the difference between the top punt returners and middle of the pack guys is about 3 yards per return(tops)....or less than 5 yards per game avg....so, its not that big of a deal really....
We have good kick returners and Benji wasnt one of them.....Moore and Gilbert do that quite well and Benji only did it in 2014 and was terrible(20 yd average).....Heck, Gilbert was one of the best in the league, so Id expect to see more of that with Hue....
Sorry, Moore sucked ass. Didn't see much of Gilbert returning kicks.....so I do think he should....at least get some use out of his sorry ass.
Punt returns?....yeah, benji was pretty good there, but lets be honest, the difference between the top punt returners and middle of the pack guys is about 3 yards per return(tops)....or less than 5 yards per game avg....so, its not that big of a deal really....
Still, need a guy that could take it all the way....like Benji did. Something certainly Moore could not do.
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We have good kick returners and Benji wasnt one of them.....Moore and Gilbert do that quite well and Benji only did it in 2014 and was terrible(20 yd average).....Heck, Gilbert was one of the best in the league, so Id expect to see more of that with Hue....
Sorry, Moore sucked ass. Didn't see much of Gilbert returning kicks.....so I do think he should....at least get some use out of his sorry ass.
Punt returns?....yeah, benji was pretty good there, but lets be honest, the difference between the top punt returners and middle of the pack guys is about 3 yards per return(tops)....or less than 5 yards per game avg....so, its not that big of a deal really....
Still, need a guy that could take it all the way....like Benji did. Something certainly Moore could not do.
We have good kick returners and Benji wasnt one of them.....Moore and Gilbert do that quite well and Benji only did it in 2014 and was terrible(20 yd average).....Heck, Gilbert was one of the best in the league, so Id expect to see more of that with Hue....
Sorry, Moore sucked ass. Didn't see much of Gilbert returning kicks.....so I do think he should....at least get some use out of his sorry ass.
Punt returns?....yeah, benji was pretty good there, but lets be honest, the difference between the top punt returners and middle of the pack guys is about 3 yards per return(tops)....or less than 5 yards per game avg....so, its not that big of a deal really....
Still, need a guy that could take it all the way....like Benji did. Something certainly Moore could not do.
The three total punt + kicks he returned in his four year career aren't enough to keep him, IMO.
Mediocre receiver, slightly above average return man at times. Let's not glorify this kid. Cribbs had two different seasons where he returned 3 or more punt + kicks for TD's.
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We have good kick returners and Benji wasnt one of them.....Moore and Gilbert do that quite well and Benji only did it in 2014 and was terrible(20 yd average).....Heck, Gilbert was one of the best in the league, so Id expect to see more of that with Hue....
Sorry, Moore sucked ass. Didn't see much of Gilbert returning kicks.....so I do think he should....at least get some use out of his sorry ass.
Punt returns?....yeah, benji was pretty good there, but lets be honest, the difference between the top punt returners and middle of the pack guys is about 3 yards per return(tops)....or less than 5 yards per game avg....so, its not that big of a deal really....
Still, need a guy that could take it all the way....like Benji did. Something certainly Moore could not do.
We have good kick returners and Benji wasnt one of them.....Moore and Gilbert do that quite well and Benji only did it in 2014 and was terrible(20 yd average).....Heck, Gilbert was one of the best in the league, so Id expect to see more of that with Hue....
Sorry, Moore sucked ass. Didn't see much of Gilbert returning kicks.....so I do think he should....at least get some use out of his sorry ass.
Punt returns?....yeah, benji was pretty good there, but lets be honest, the difference between the top punt returners and middle of the pack guys is about 3 yards per return(tops)....or less than 5 yards per game avg....so, its not that big of a deal really....
Still, need a guy that could take it all the way....like Benji did. Something certainly Moore could not do.
Moore was 25.7, which is middle of the pack...not great, but not sucked ass either......Gilbert was much better...
And Moore is not a punt returner....just like Benji is not a kick returner....
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You can draft a small school speedster, who is tough and can really returns kicks,
in a late round, imho.
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We are fucked
? Losing out on Jones, and Benji going to the Chargers? Let's take this a step at a time. RE: Jones, as others have opined, Detroit could afford to overpay for Jones with Megatron's $11 million coming off the books. RE: Benji- do you think adding him to the Chargers is going to be the piece that lets them overtake the Raiders, not to mention Denver? Don't think so. Hey, if we're gonna suck in 2016, let's suck real bad- so we have another top 5 pick in 2017.
Shamu is a mean run blocker.
He eats up the opposition.
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Maybe then, Bowe isn't stupid, and won't be in the doghouse
with Hue at the helm !
FA isn't over yet.... btw and it sounds like Jones wanted to go
to a winning team. whatever.
FA isn't over yet.... btw and it sounds like Jones wanted to go to a winning team. whatever.
Winning team? Detroit?
We always do this, a dude plays his ass off for us and we don't reward him. The one thing Cleveland could say is that we're loyal to our players that "play like a Brown".
"Pay like a Brown?"
He signed for $8 million....you think he's worth that?.....top 20 money?....should we have paid him 10 mil?
$8mm for a top tier WR2 is not unreasonable... $10 would be.
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Does anybody know what we offered Benji? I mean $8m isn't that bad for him. I would say between 6-7 but considering what we paid Bowe...who's gone, that wouldn't have broken us especially with our cap space. Relying on Gordon to be our go to guy next year is absurd. He's one more strike from bagging groceries. We saw what Benjamin could do when he had time with one QB. But like I said before, there's more to this than "just" his output. He came across like a guy that really wanted to be in Cleveland. So unless I hear we offered him between 7-8 and he bolted for a couple extra bucks...I think it was a bad job out of us to let him walk. If we offered him like 4m or something than you can't blame him for walking. Detroit obviously thinks that with Stafford throwing to him he'll do something. We shall see.
It seemed to me that Benjamin wanted to be a Brown for life, same with DQ. We dont' get that a lot. Cribbs was really that last guy. The guys you can see being on Cleveland local programming about the Browns long after they retire.....those guys we need to take care of. They build true Brown legacy. It really pisses me off we've never let Bernie have more influence within the organization. The guy still bleeds Cleveland. Plus he seems to have had much better draft plans the last couple years. We couldn't be worse.
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