Why we haven't traded "X"
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To look at the cup as half full, DA should be the only player traded.
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Here is an interesting piece from a Kiper, Jr. chat session the other day...
Adam (Columbus, OH): Mel, with the recent legal action against Donte Stallworth and the trade of Kellen Winslow and the talks of trading Braylon Edwards. What do you think the chances are of the Browns using the #5 pick to draft a Michael Crabtree or Jeremy Maclin to be the number 1 WR for Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson?
Mel Kiper: I have them taking Crabtree for that reason. Edwards is a free agent after the 2009 season. Plus they had a ton of drops there. You need to help Brady Quinn. They also need to address RB at some point. They have high hopes for Martin Rucker. They need someone like that. The Stallworth situation and Edwards becoming a free agent. In the second round, they could address the LB situation with Clay Matthews. With their second second round pick, they could look at LeSean McCoy. You've got the young RB and the big WR. Plus a LB to help the defense.
Keith (Chicago): Is there a team that would trade for Derek Anderson? Can the Browns get a third rounder for him?
Mel Kiper: No. The days of thinking third rounder are over. He doesn't have any buzz. He's not the guy I thought myself. When Rex Ryan got the job with the Jets, I thought he might go after Derek Anderson. The Ravens had drafted him before releasing him. Familiarity that's the kind of thing you try for. But outside of that, I don't see many teams. Dallas maybe, but they went out and got Jon Kitna in a trade. Maybe a later round pick is all you're going to get for him now.
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To look at the cup as half full, DA should be the only player traded.
DA should be the only player traded.
I'm not sure anybody needs to be traded.
A voice of reason around here? Say it ain't so!
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DA should be the only player traded.
I'm not sure anybody needs to be traded.
A voice of reason around here? Say it ain't so!
mz. said:
I'm not sure anybody needs to be traded.A voice of reason around here? Say it ain't so!
If the need for another pick arrises a QB is the only position we have where both QB's could start.
If i try to think positive and rosey thoughts, maybe BE could rebound. Rogers is not going anywhere. I'm not expecting anything till draft day.
Unless Curry were to fall to #5, no one wants to trade for it.
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Here is an interesting piece from a Kiper, Jr. chat session the other day...
Adam (Columbus, OH): Mel, with the recent legal action against Donte Stallworth and the trade of Kellen Winslow and the talks of trading Braylon Edwards. What do you think the chances are of the Browns using the #5 pick to draft a Michael Crabtree or Jeremy Maclin to be the number 1 WR for Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson?
Mel Kiper: I have them taking Crabtree for that reason. Edwards is a free agent after the 2009 season. Plus they had a ton of drops there. You need to help Brady Quinn. They also need to address RB at some point. They have high hopes for Martin Rucker. They need someone like that. The Stallworth situation and Edwards becoming a free agent. In the second round, they could address the LB situation with Clay Matthews. With their second second round pick, they could look at LeSean McCoy. You've got the young RB and the big WR. Plus a LB to help the defense.
Keith (Chicago): Is there a team that would trade for Derek Anderson? Can the Browns get a third rounder for him?
Mel Kiper: No. The days of thinking third rounder are over. He doesn't have any buzz. He's not the guy I thought myself. When Rex Ryan got the job with the Jets, I thought he might go after Derek Anderson. The Ravens had drafted him before releasing him. Familiarity that's the kind of thing you try for. But outside of that, I don't see many teams. Dallas maybe, but they went out and got Jon Kitna in a trade. Maybe a later round pick is all you're going to get for him now.
Here is an interesting piece from a Kiper, Jr. chat session the other day...
Keith (Chicago): Is there a team that would trade for Derek Anderson? Can the Browns get a third rounder for him?
Mel Kiper: No. The days of thinking third rounder are over. He doesn't have any buzz. He's not the guy I thought myself. When Rex Ryan got the job with the Jets, I thought he might go after Derek Anderson. The Ravens had drafted him before releasing him. Familiarity that's the kind of thing you try for. But outside of that, I don't see many teams. Dallas maybe, but they went out and got Jon Kitna in a trade. Maybe a later round pick is all you're going to get for him now.
This didn't pop out to anyone? He thinks we can't even get a 3rd for DA anymore. We won't ship a guy who could be a great insurance policy off for anything less! ESPECIALLY if the new regime isn't sold on BQ.
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Maybe you need to consider that some of these players haven't been moved because they don't want to trade them. Just because some media hack came up with some rumor doesn't mean the team wants to move a guy.
I'd say maybe Anderson because they can't get enough for him to make it worth trading him. They already paid most of his 2009 salary and would have to go out and find a solid veteran backup. So, if you can't get a high #3 you keep him.
Edwards, only because of his contract situation. He's in his contract year and that will be modivation. I would think his status won't be known until draft day.
I seriously don't think any other player is even being considered for trade. there is always rumors and speculation this time of year.
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Here is an interesting piece from a Kiper, Jr. chat session the other day...
Keith (Chicago): Is there a team that would trade for Derek Anderson? Can the Browns get a third rounder for him?
Mel Kiper: No. The days of thinking third rounder are over. He doesn't have any buzz. He's not the guy I thought myself. When Rex Ryan got the job with the Jets, I thought he might go after Derek Anderson. The Ravens had drafted him before releasing him. Familiarity that's the kind of thing you try for. But outside of that, I don't see many teams. Dallas maybe, but they went out and got Jon Kitna in a trade. Maybe a later round pick is all you're going to get for him now.
This didn't pop out to anyone? He thinks we can't even get a 3rd for DA anymore. We won't ship a guy who could be a great insurance policy off for anything less! ESPECIALLY if the new regime isn't sold on BQ.
This didn't pop out to anyone? He thinks we can't even get a 3rd for DA anymore. We won't ship a guy who could be a great insurance policy off for anything less! ESPECIALLY if the new regime isn't sold on BQ.
Kiper has a bad habit of thinking too highly of the draft. His opinion on what a veteran would get in return is ALWAYS low...and just because DA isn't the BIG RUMOR right now doesn't mean he won't be come draft day.
Here is the thing....there are no available starting QB's (young ones anyway) in FA. The best QB's that are POSSIBLY available via trade are Lienart/Quinn/DA. I still hold to the fact that Leinart isn't going anywhere because Warner's contract is basically a HUGE 1 year deal with a $5M non-guaranteed 2nd year attached...meaning Leinart is a cheap backup this year and has a real chance to start next year. Why trade him away so you can pay MORE for another rookie QB (and with AZ in the playoffs they may have to pony up multiple picks to get one a good one).
So that leaves DA and Quinn. And the truth is that DA is Sanchez with experience. A rocket arm with a tendency to lose the strike zone, and BIG. So, the question comes down to who ends up on the outside looking in on the draft QB's...and is DA worth a high 2nd or low 1st in comparison to not having a QB or betting on a 2nd tier guy.
Kiper always believes in the unproven rookie....GM's have a tendency to look at the entire picture...which is why Kiper is always surprised when teams trade away draft picks on veterans.
DA's floor is 2 2nds (Schaub trade) and his ceiling is a mid to low 1st with maybe a 5th.
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Maybe you need to consider that some of these players haven't been moved because they don't want to trade them. Just because some media hack came up with some rumor doesn't mean the team wants to move a guy.
I'd say maybe Anderson because they can't get enough for him to make it worth trading him. They already paid most of his 2009 salary and would have to go out and find a solid veteran backup. So, if you can't get a high #3 you keep him.
Edwards, only because of his contract situation. He's in his contract year and that will be modivation. I would think his status won't be known until draft day.
I seriously don't think any other player is even being considered for trade. there is always rumors and speculation this time of year.
Maybe you need to consider that some of these players haven't been moved because they don't want to trade them. Just because some media hack came up with some rumor doesn't mean the team wants to move a guy.
I'd say maybe Anderson because they can't get enough for him to make it worth trading him. They already paid most of his 2009 salary and would have to go out and find a solid veteran backup. So, if you can't get a high #3 you keep him.
Edwards, only because of his contract situation. He's in his contract year and that will be modivation. I would think his status won't be known until draft day.
I seriously don't think any other player is even being considered for trade. there is always rumors and speculation this time of year.
I actually believe it when they said only JT and Cribbs are safe. Why, because new management usually wants to put a stamp on the team. Also, why say no before you hear what you can get? They will listen to ALL trades, no matter the player (save JT)...and if it benefits the team, they will do it. If not, they won't.
I don't think it is a case of "wanting" to trade anyone. I think the guys we still have are more than welcome to play on this team and compete...and we would be happy to keep them all...but I also think the right offer will get just about anyone.
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I think DA is the most likely to be traded simply because browns fans dont care to much for him and mankoki isnt going to risk the double fecal impaction of DA not performing well rather its his fault or not and plus a fanbase that is a loaded gun that was forced to tolorate the utter ignorance of the last regimes horrible decisions concerning keeping DA in for way way to many games without even being benched...
DA likely wont fit into dabolls offensive scheme anyways...
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I find it funny how short sighted the pundits are...even the local ones: Like this one from the OBR
Quarterbacks: He Said, She Said
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By Site Staff
Posted Apr 10, 2009
Despite the Browns denials, there continues to be a buzz around the team's quarterbacks...
The game of "he said, he said" continues to swirl around the Browns' quarterbacks. The Browns insist Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson will be on the roster to compete for a starting job in training camp, but until that happens, the trade rumors will continue.
The Jets, Lions and Buccaneers are teams likely looking for a quarterback, and according to reports, the Broncos preferred Quinn to Kyle Orton before they acquired Orton and three draft picks from the Bears for Jay Cutler.
There are reports general manager George Kokinis and coach Eric Mangini are not thrilled with either of their quarterbacks and they are considering using the fifth pick in the draft on Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez.
The argument could be made the Browns would be giving up on Quinn too quickly unless Mangini and Kokinis are absolutely convinced he will never be anything special. Quinn started only three games in the chaotic 2008 season and he broke the tip of the index finger on his throwing hand in the second.
Sometimes teams rush to judgment too quickly. In 1987 the Buccaneers had the first pick in the draft. They took Vinny Testaverde and traded Steve Young to the 49ers for a second-round draft pick and a fourth-round pick. They were convinced Young was a bust, but Bill Walsh thought Young had potential and made the trade, though the 49ers already had Joe Montana. Young went on to have a stellar career with the 49ers and is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Anderson his convinced the fans don't want him; he doesn't have Quinn's polish, he isn't a fashion model as Quinn is, he didn't go to Notre Dame (he went to Oregon State) and he wasn't a first-round draft choice. He did throw 29 touchdown passes in 2007, but that doesn't seem to matter to fans.
Last week the Chicago Sun-Times reported Cutler could've nixed a trade to the Browns because he did not want to play for Mangini. Cutler is represented by Bus Cook, who also represents Brett Favre. A few days later, Bus said the report was untrue; he said Cutler had no opinion of Mangini.
They take the "the Browns are not thrilled with either QB" to heart...and the rumors that they like Sanchez....all while dismissing the comments from 'reliable' sources that the Broncos wanted Quinn over Orton and the Browns nixed it.
If the Browns were really indifferent about either QB, then that trade would likely have happened. The Browns would have walked away with a first rounder and would have settled the QB debate in one move. Brilliant. In fact, it is so brilliant that the ONLY explanation as to why the move WASN'T made is that the Browns are NOT indifferent on Quinn...and quite possible on DA as well.
Further....with absolutely NOTHING coming out of Berea that the ManKok don't want to leak...it can easily be surmised that the 'interest' in Sanchez is a ploy to increase the likelihood that another team will be willing to trade into the 5th slot to grab the USC QB.
If nothing else, the silence screaming from Berea is making other teams nervous over not having a clue as to which direction they are going. The claimed 'willingness to trade anyone' doesn't give teams the ability to dismiss ANY rumors.
It creates an environment where other teams have to COME TO THE BROWNS if they are interested in a player...and that puts the Browns in a advantageous position at the bargaining table.
I like it..and I am liking it more and more as the days go by.
Basically, teams have NO IDEA if we are going forward with DA, Quinn, OR Sanchez as our desired QB...and that has to make them nervous...imagine if we are sitting here with all 3 after the 5th pick. Do you really think a trade WON'T get done???
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