Reasons to believe the Browns have turned the corner into turning into a winning TEAM
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Actually, we took a zodiac boat ride around the coast of the undeveloped area of Kauai, Hawaii.
Went past an area where they filmed a James Bond movie. Along the way, there were spinner dolphins
along side our big, inflatable zodiac. Those dolphins are fascinating critters, but really, they wouldn't
be in Lake Erie ---- way too close to pukesburg and the stench of 3 livers landfill stadium. They have to
have clear sailin - in clear water.
I just have this sixth dolphin positive sense that the Browns are coming together - the perfect storm, so to speak,
and are really going to surprise the fans who can't get over the past, mired in incompetency and failure to be a team.
They are becoming one now, like a very excellently cool bunch of dolphins swimming..eh....swimmingly. Did you
know that dolphins can kill sharks? Yep. The Browns are going to be all, kiinda like... "wax on, wax off" for a while,
but you'll know they are becoming serious business on the field.
Btw, that was always one of the great songs imho, I think I loved the lyrics most.
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Actually, we took a zodiac boat ride around the coast of the undeveloped area of Kauai, Hawaii.
Went past an area where they filmed a James Bond movie. Along the way, there were spinner dolphins
along side our big, inflatable zodiac. Those dolphins are fascinating critters, but really, they wouldn't
be in Lake Erie ---- way too close to pukesburg and the stench of 3 livers landfill stadium. They have to
have clear sailin - in clear water.
I just have this sixth dolphin positive sense that the Browns are coming together - the perfect storm, so to speak,
and are really going to surprise the fans who can't get over the past, mired in incompetency and failure to be a team.
They are becoming one now, like a very excellently cool bunch of dolphins swimming..eh....swimmingly. Did you
know that dolphins can kill sharks? Yep. The Browns are going to be all, kiinda like... "wax on, wax off" for a while,
but you'll know they are becoming serious business on the field.
Btw, that was always one of the great songs imho, I think I loved the lyrics most.
Actually, we took a zodiac boat ride around the coast of the undeveloped area of Kauai, Hawaii.
Went past an area where they filmed a James Bond movie. Along the way, there were spinner dolphins
along side our big, inflatable zodiac. Those dolphins are fascinating critters, but really, they wouldn't
be in Lake Erie ---- way too close to pukesburg and the stench of 3 livers landfill stadium. They have to
have clear sailin - in clear water.
I just have this sixth dolphin positive sense that the Browns are coming together - the perfect storm, so to speak,
and are really going to surprise the fans who can't get over the past, mired in incompetency and failure to be a team.
They are becoming one now, like a very excellently cool bunch of dolphins swimming..eh....swimmingly. Did you
know that dolphins can kill sharks? Yep. The Browns are going to be all, kiinda like... "wax on, wax off" for a while,
but you'll know they are becoming serious business on the field.
Btw, that was always one of the great songs imho, I think I loved the lyrics most.
These are not the OLD Browns. I like the "wax on, wax off" comment, as this IS a work in progress, but anyone who can't see a huge difference in attitude & atmosphere has blinders on. Watch Hue COACH on the field, then watch film of Pettine standing with his arms crossed, just watching. HUEge difference folks. Positive change couldn't happen without a more positive & aggressive attitude & atmosphere...that is step 1 & we are seeing that.
I agree with Cal...good stuff coming, but it won't be instantaneous.
Mike
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Actually, we took a zodiac boat ride around the coast of the undeveloped area of Kauai, Hawaii.
Went past an area where they filmed a James Bond movie. Along the way, there were spinner dolphins
along side our big, inflatable zodiac. Those dolphins are fascinating critters, but really, they wouldn't
be in Lake Erie ---- way too close to pukesburg and the stench of 3 livers landfill stadium. They have to
have clear sailin - in clear water.
I just have this sixth dolphin positive sense that the Browns are coming together - the perfect storm, so to speak,
and are really going to surprise the fans who can't get over the past, mired in incompetency and failure to be a team.
They are becoming one now, like a very excellently cool bunch of dolphins swimming..eh....swimmingly. Did you
know that dolphins can kill sharks? Yep. The Browns are going to be all, kiinda like... "wax on, wax off" for a while,
but you'll know they are becoming serious business on the field.
Btw, that was always one of the great songs imho, I think I loved the lyrics most.
These are not the OLD Browns. I like the "wax on, wax off" comment, as this IS a work in progress, but anyone who can't see a huge difference in attitude & atmosphere has blinders on. Watch Hue COACH on the field, then watch film of Pettine standing with his arms crossed, just watching. HUEge difference folks. Positive change couldn't happen without a more positive & aggressive attitude & atmosphere...that is step 1 & we are seeing that.
I agree with Cal...good stuff coming, but it won't be instantaneous.
Mike
I was watching nfl network and some talking heads (former players) were speaking about "buying into a new system". They basically said the rookies always buy into the system because they're rookies. You guess learning the play book and just being in the right place on and off the field. It's harder for the vets to buy into the system because they've been thru several systems and out of stubbornness or whatever reason they don't buy into it that quickly.These are not the OLD Browns. I like the "wax on, wax off" comment, as this IS a work in progress, but anyone who can't see a huge difference in attitude & atmosphere has blinders on. Watch Hue COACH on the field, then watch film of Pettine standing with his arms crossed, just watching. HUEge difference folks. Positive change couldn't happen without a more positive & aggressive attitude & atmosphere...that is step 1 & we are seeing that.
I agree with Cal...good stuff coming, but it won't be instantaneous.
Mike
Mike
I thought about what they said and maybe that's the reason for the departure of several vets that left. I'm thinking it was a mutual thing now.
This is a perfect situation for RG3. He and Hue knew this and the Browns have a lot of missing pieces but I see a good season coming for them. Hue knows this division and this is a physical one. I foresee ass kicking and this time be on the other end of it.
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VK-if you took the under at 4.5 as per the article, then you made a very good bet against the expansion level Browns, which is what we are this year. They will flirt with an o-fer season, but likely win a couple from a team or two that sleep walks what should have been a sure win.
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wait, you predict ALL of them will not pan out?
How many 7th round picks make nfl teams when they only pick 7 players?
2-14 - nah, the Browns have never fixed certain positions out of stupidity,
in the draft.
Seems like they just picked per the latest draft mag and went by their scores.
These Browns don't care about that - they drafted FOOTBALL PLAYERS who love the game,
have the work ethic and skills to suprise the hell out of the fans who can't let go of the miserable past.
Ok, it was miserable, etc etc etc.
This coaching staff and FO is a gigantic breath of fresh air.
Enjoy the fresh air, and the scenery, I think the Browns are seriously headed
in the right direction, for the first time since '99.
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I mean, listen...I can be as optimistic as anybody because I prefer to feel that way over feeling like a negative jackass. I can possibly make the argument that our franchise is turning the corner on SOME things, but I can't say we're close to WINNING. Our win total might be the same as it was last year, but I still think we'll be better. We'll have a real defensive scheme that puts players in their best position to succeed. Remember last year when players didn't know what the hell they were doing and players felt they were asked to do things they weren't good at? Yeah, you won't be seeing that crap anymore. Remember the atrocious time management in several games? The suspect play calling when the game was on the line? (Ahem...the toss sweep to the slowest RB on the team right after Mingo makes the only play of his career and picked off Manning)
We are also younger, and we have a ton of draft picks. Statistically speaking, we have to hit on a greater number of these because we have MORE picks, right? I think we've turned the corner of being more competitive, but I am virtually certain that we are at least one more year away from winning (by winning I mean .500 ball. THAT'S winning in Cleveland unfortunately)
If...and this is a HUGE "if"...but IF the time table is sped up for our franchise, it will mean just one thing: RG III is the guy that so many hope he is. If we somehow have a QB that can play well, we might win a few more games than people think this year, and we might push for a wildcard next season. The ONLY way this happens is if RG III turns out to be a solid player. That happens, and good times are back in Cleveland much sooner than we thought possible.
But...this is Cleveland, and we know all too well the struggles of finding a QB AND a coaching staff. We Browns fans don't buy into preseason hope, but even I have to admit that this regime has a different feel. A coach with documented experience, a DC with experience, and a thoughtful front office not afraid to think outside the box. But what happens if RG III fails? How many years does THAT set us back? Can we really expect a 37 year old McCown to save our bacon for another 2-3 years? Can we really expect Cody Kessler to develop quickly? (if at all?) So much of our success depends on RG III, and if he doesn't work out, will our owner have the patience to ride this out? Because if RG III DOESN'T work out, you have to think it's going to take another 2-3 years to really see what we have in our draft picks, and I don't remember the last coach that got 3 years.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
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Ok three wins last year.
RG over the qb's last year. Three wins
Hortons defense. 4 wins
10-6
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VesnaKociper said:
1) There is no clear cut QB and there will be no clear cut QB.
2) The reality of young players is that most come form winning teams. These are not the dedicated, career team players of days gone-by. These are millenials who want it all, NOW. Building for 3-years down the road? It can't be done. Young players see their college mates going to the playoffs, making highligh films, and getting endorsement deals, and they quickly get burned out.
3) Offense is not sustainable = more defensive plays = tired out defense = more injuries than other teams. Do you think it is just bad luck that so many Browns players get fucked up?
4) With no offensive threats teams will blitz the fuck out of the Browns, take away all the short shit, and jam the box. This leads to more frustration, more injuries since the Browns will be hit from the front instead of caught from the back, more than other players.
1. Agree on the QB situation...
2. Disagree on the players... In most cases three-years "down the road" is their first real contract. That tends to hold players' attention. The "dedication" of days gone by was more a product of one-sided, iron-clad contracts producing indentured servitude than anything else.
3. Data does not bear out your hypothesis. In 2015 the Offense lost 49 man-weeks to injury; the Defense lost 44. Our Average Offensive Time of Possession was 31:01; Defense was 30:08.
4. Why would a D "blitz the fuck out of" a team with no offensive threats? And aren't more injuries related to tackles from behind?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Every 1-2 years we do this. "This time" they're headed in tje right direction, can just feel it this time its true. How many times does this team get to make assholes of us?
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Every 1-2 years we do this. "This time" they're headed in tje right direction, can just feel it this time its true. How many times does this team get to make assholes of us?
I think all of us that are left standing are lifers.Every 1-2 years we do this. "This time" they're headed in tje right direction, can just feel it this time its true. How many times does this team get to make assholes of us?
It's true we've been duped many times ... but you can't blame fans for buying in to a new regime.
The other options are apathy (they don't post here anymore) and hate (they post here, but often under the name of female polish polka singers).
Then I guess there is the group that will call themselves "realists", as in they'll wait until the team proves to be "real" good before they exhibit any hope or fondness for the team.
Sounds boring.
Count me in with the believers.
Z
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All you have to do is listen to me. Now I know how Noah felt when he told everyone it was going to rain and shit.
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I mean, listen...I can be as optimistic as anybody because I prefer to feel that way over feeling like a negative jackass. I can possibly make the argument that our franchise is turning the corner on SOME things, but I can't say we're close to WINNING. Our win total might be the same as it was last year, but I still think we'll be better. We'll have a real defensive scheme that puts players in their best position to succeed. Remember last year when players didn't know what the hell they were doing and players felt they were asked to do things they weren't good at? Yeah, you won't be seeing that crap anymore. Remember the atrocious time management in several games? The suspect play calling when the game was on the line? (Ahem...the toss sweep to the slowest RB on the team right after Mingo makes the only play of his career and picked off Manning)
We are also younger, and we have a ton of draft picks. Statistically speaking, we have to hit on a greater number of these because we have MORE picks, right? I think we've turned the corner of being more competitive, but I am virtually certain that we are at least one more year away from winning (by winning I mean .500 ball. THAT'S winning in Cleveland unfortunately)
If...and this is a HUGE "if"...but IF the time table is sped up for our franchise, it will mean just one thing: RG III is the guy that so many hope he is. If we somehow have a QB that can play well, we might win a few more games than people think this year, and we might push for a wildcard next season. The ONLY way this happens is if RG III turns out to be a solid player. That happens, and good times are back in Cleveland much sooner than we thought possible.
But...this is Cleveland, and we know all too well the struggles of finding a QB AND a coaching staff. We Browns fans don't buy into preseason hope, but even I have to admit that this regime has a different feel. A coach with documented experience, a DC with experience, and a thoughtful front office not afraid to think outside the box. But what happens if RG III fails? How many years does THAT set us back? Can we really expect a 37 year old McCown to save our bacon for another 2-3 years? Can we really expect Cody Kessler to develop quickly? (if at all?) So much of our success depends on RG III, and if he doesn't work out, will our owner have the patience to ride this out? Because if RG III DOESN'T work out, you have to think it's going to take another 2-3 years to really see what we have in our draft picks, and I don't remember the last coach that got 3 years.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
From NFL radio to almost every media member that was at OTA's. Says flat out McCown is throwing the ball better than RG3. Hue says were not even close to naming a starter. Can't say I don't blame him.. Drago, "The 6 million dollar man". We can rebuild him. Just can't build with him. That other 7 Million dollar man. Just got Riskier
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I mean, listen...I can be as optimistic as anybody because I prefer to feel that way over feeling like a negative jackass. I can possibly make the argument that our franchise is turning the corner on SOME things, but I can't say we're close to WINNING. Our win total might be the same as it was last year, but I still think we'll be better. We'll have a real defensive scheme that puts players in their best position to succeed. Remember last year when players didn't know what the hell they were doing and players felt they were asked to do things they weren't good at? Yeah, you won't be seeing that crap anymore. Remember the atrocious time management in several games? The suspect play calling when the game was on the line? (Ahem...the toss sweep to the slowest RB on the team right after Mingo makes the only play of his career and picked off Manning)
We are also younger, and we have a ton of draft picks. Statistically speaking, we have to hit on a greater number of these because we have MORE picks, right? I think we've turned the corner of being more competitive, but I am virtually certain that we are at least one more year away from winning (by winning I mean .500 ball. THAT'S winning in Cleveland unfortunately)
If...and this is a HUGE "if"...but IF the time table is sped up for our franchise, it will mean just one thing: RG III is the guy that so many hope he is. If we somehow have a QB that can play well, we might win a few more games than people think this year, and we might push for a wildcard next season. The ONLY way this happens is if RG III turns out to be a solid player. That happens, and good times are back in Cleveland much sooner than we thought possible.
But...this is Cleveland, and we know all too well the struggles of finding a QB AND a coaching staff. We Browns fans don't buy into preseason hope, but even I have to admit that this regime has a different feel. A coach with documented experience, a DC with experience, and a thoughtful front office not afraid to think outside the box. But what happens if RG III fails? How many years does THAT set us back? Can we really expect a 37 year old McCown to save our bacon for another 2-3 years? Can we really expect Cody Kessler to develop quickly? (if at all?) So much of our success depends on RG III, and if he doesn't work out, will our owner have the patience to ride this out? Because if RG III DOESN'T work out, you have to think it's going to take another 2-3 years to really see what we have in our draft picks, and I don't remember the last coach that got 3 years.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
I mean, listen...I can be as optimistic as anybody because I prefer to feel that way over feeling like a negative jackass. I can possibly make the argument that our franchise is turning the corner on SOME things, but I can't say we're close to WINNING. Our win total might be the same as it was last year, but I still think we'll be better. We'll have a real defensive scheme that puts players in their best position to succeed. Remember last year when players didn't know what the hell they were doing and players felt they were asked to do things they weren't good at? Yeah, you won't be seeing that crap anymore. Remember the atrocious time management in several games? The suspect play calling when the game was on the line? (Ahem...the toss sweep to the slowest RB on the team right after Mingo makes the only play of his career and picked off Manning)
We are also younger, and we have a ton of draft picks. Statistically speaking, we have to hit on a greater number of these because we have MORE picks, right? I think we've turned the corner of being more competitive, but I am virtually certain that we are at least one more year away from winning (by winning I mean .500 ball. THAT'S winning in Cleveland unfortunately)
If...and this is a HUGE "if"...but IF the time table is sped up for our franchise, it will mean just one thing: RG III is the guy that so many hope he is. If we somehow have a QB that can play well, we might win a few more games than people think this year, and we might push for a wildcard next season. The ONLY way this happens is if RG III turns out to be a solid player. That happens, and good times are back in Cleveland much sooner than we thought possible.
But...this is Cleveland, and we know all too well the struggles of finding a QB AND a coaching staff. We Browns fans don't buy into preseason hope, but even I have to admit that this regime has a different feel. A coach with documented experience, a DC with experience, and a thoughtful front office not afraid to think outside the box. But what happens if RG III fails? How many years does THAT set us back? Can we really expect a 37 year old McCown to save our bacon for another 2-3 years? Can we really expect Cody Kessler to develop quickly? (if at all?) So much of our success depends on RG III, and if he doesn't work out, will our owner have the patience to ride this out? Because if RG III DOESN'T work out, you have to think it's going to take another 2-3 years to really see what we have in our draft picks, and I don't remember the last coach that got 3 years.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
i really liked you commenting on the mingo int and the sweep that lost 4 yds on the ensuing play because the next day everyone was blaming mccown for fucking up the game in ot...I got alot of flack by saying it was not mccowns fault the fucking ol sucks and the rb stinks...terrible 1st down call. The jackoffs giving me slack are the ones that do not understand football on this board. They don't understand by putting a qb at 2nd and 14 against the nfl's best d is not a good thing especially with the shit stain ol perfomance we had last yr...good point
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VK...they never made an asshole out of you as you did that all by yourself ! Are you taking your meds like you should be ? Calling all 14 rookies Jack-offs before they have even started playing is ludicrous and again just your ego trying to show up again.
Save your comments for later in the year when we all know what is going on. And....Joey Bosa as your draft choice....lets just see how that turns out !
A Vince Lombardi fan.
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"was walkin around minding' my own Bidness n somebody ran up on me and smelled my nutsack."
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I just try to stay positive Tom. It's a lot easier to be negative.
But hey I'm all in on RG3 time will tell. Win or lose I'll be watching.
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VesnaKociper said:
1) There is no clear cut QB and there will be no clear cut QB.
2) The reality of young players is that most come form winning teams. These are not the dedicated, career team players of days gone-by. These are millenials who want it all, NOW. Building for 3-years down the road? It can't be done. Young players see their college mates going to the playoffs, making highligh films, and getting endorsement deals, and they quickly get burned out.
3) Offense is not sustainable = more defensive plays = tired out defense = more injuries than other teams. Do you think it is just bad luck that so many Browns players get fucked up?
4) With no offensive threats teams will blitz the fuck out of the Browns, take away all the short shit, and jam the box. This leads to more frustration, more injuries since the Browns will be hit from the front instead of caught from the back, more than other players.
1. Agree on the QB situation...
2. Disagree on the players... In most cases three-years "down the road" is their first real contract. That tends to hold players' attention. The "dedication" of days gone by was more a product of one-sided, iron-clad contracts producing indentured servitude than anything else.
3. Data does not bear out your hypothesis. In 2015 the Offense lost 49 man-weeks to injury; the Defense lost 44. Our Average Offensive Time of Possession was 31:01; Defense was 30:08.
4. Why would a D "blitz the fuck out of" a team with no offensive threats? And aren't more injuries related to tackles from behind?
VesnaKociper said:
<<3. Data does not bear out your hypothesis. In 2015 the Offense lost 49 man-weeks to injury; the Defense lost 44. Our Average Offensive Time of Possession was 31:01; Defense was 30:08.>>This is not relevant to my statement. I never said we would have more defensive players injured than offensive players. There is every reason to believe that both sides of our line will suffer injuries. My point is that, we will again be at the top of the heap in the injury list. Playing lack luster ball, getting hit first and not being the aggressor, and fatigue, will again lead to key Browns players getting fucked up more than most teams.
VesnaKociper said:
3) Offense is not sustainable = more defensive plays = tired out defense = more injuries than other teams. Do you think it is just bad luck that so many Browns players get fucked up?It has to be embarrassing to not be able to follow your own logic...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Why do I get the feeling Ghoolie was that kid that enjoyed telling younger kids there was no such thing as Santa Claus? Could it be because he's still telling kids this up to 75 years of age?
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VesnaKociper said:
So all that diatribe, just to ageee with me. THe Browns don't have a QB. 2 - 14 +/- 1 win
Such abbreviated commentary instead of the normal long winded diatribe? Shame........shame!
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