Cam Erving - Soooo you're tellin me there's a chance....
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Doesn't matter anyway who needs an offensive line? *rolls eyes*
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I have no hope of Erving being a positive contributor. His issues last year were multiple in technique, strength, mental preparation and finally intensity.
I didn't see that nasty steak of just wanting to fire off the ball and bully someone from Cam at any point. If you see that then you have something to work with IMHO.
Thank god for Greco's versatility, I'd say by week 3-4 I'd expect our lineup to be JT, Bito, Greco, Pasztor and Coleman.
I didn't see that nasty steak of just wanting to fire off the ball and bully someone from Cam at any point. If you see that then you have something to work with IMHO.
Got a friend at work that always would tell me after a loss last season. "Your OL has all To nice Guys & not enough Nasty's". When we sat & watched JT apologize to a Bengal on mic'd. I started to believe him. Finally, he is excited to see what Bailey, S. Coleman, Drango & M. Matthews might bring with some edge & nasty on line. He owns the only Browns Pasztor jersey in NC, for your reason.
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thank god the browns strength in the FO has and still is in drafting talent. no wonder we're lining up for the playoffs again this year.
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Still don't buy that the Browns Oline last year was even in the top half of the league, so might as well revamp it anyway along with everything else. If Irving sucks you address it next year, already spent a 1st rounder on him, might as well see what he's got. There were times last year that a piece of OSB board would have offered more protection than Mack did anyway. Dude never came back after his broken leg
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I'm as optimistic as anyone, and I ESPECIALLY guard my FSU guys with passion, but even I have to admit there was a lot to be concerned about with Cam's performance last year. He appeared to be completely underpowered, and physically inferior to many linemen. In short, Cam Erving got his entire ass blown apart by some very nasty defensive big boys, and he was also the source for at least two blocked FG's (the easiest task for an OL...I've been told).
We've all read that he's gained muscle, lost fat, and he looks athletic. That's all fine and dandy, but will any of that translate to playing better? Did learning all those OL positions stunt his growth and prevent him from having success? Is there THAT much of a physical difference at center?
The good news is that Cam is a worker. He's not some malcontent who is going to just collect a paycheck and blame his poor play on somebody. Cam needs to understand leverage, and also to learn how to deal with the shorter, stronger DL's. If he can figure out his technique, I believe we will see a different player. I don't see him as being an allstar or anything, but I think he can be a "Mitchell Schwartz" type guy. Someone we can count on for years to come, and I'll take that.
Something tells me we're going to know VERY quickly in training camp.
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Well, Ghoulish, in his defense, hasn't said ya don't NEED an offensive line...
he's often made it clear that you could just get offensive linemen from the teenage
girl gymnasts on "America's Got Talent"...................
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Guys, this may get ugly. We go from one of the best in A.Mack to probably the worst in the league at Center. The news has always been that Big Irv was Farmers pick to replace Mack when he moved on. This will be worse than Bowe was to be our Gordon. How coach Hunter could not bark for the need of a C during draft is beyond me. (DeValve & 4 WR's) Now is not the time to honestly say "not there yet" nor finished product "far from it." Greco all day is the best to balance our line at C & call line adjustment (way out of Cam's league). TB got it right, last season got RT Donovan Smith at #34 & next pick G Ali Marpet at #61. J. Winston played well behind both that became starters all season. Can Drango & M. Matthews be our Smith & Marpet? I see PS for both now but S. Coleman/Bailey might find our RT for now. Only other C on roster i seen play C is G. Gerhart & he's no better than 3 C's on the street now. But later cuts may get us a VK Goullie fat ass center..Big Irv. is 6'5."(Rg3 will be a small child under center) give me a nfl DT that can't get under that at C & drive. Prove me wrong Cam but i don't see it.
TB got it right, last season got RT Donovan Smith at #34 & next pick G Ali Marpet at #61. J. Winston played well behind both that became starters all season.
Big Irv. is 6'5."(Rg3 will be a small child under center) give me a nfl DT that can't get under that at C & drive. Prove me wrong Cam but i don't see it.
Why did you have to remind me about Ali?
As for Erving's height... certainly works against him, but 6'5 is not without precedent for Centers, e.g. the Fins' Mike Pouncey. Difference is Pouncey plays low.
Found this chart from 2014 on player height/weight: http://imgur.com/FBFKSdB
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
TB got it right, last season got RT Donovan Smith at #34 & next pick G Ali Marpet at #61. J. Winston played well behind both that became starters all season.
Big Irv. is 6'5."(Rg3 will be a small child under center) give me a nfl DT that can't get under that at C & drive. Prove me wrong Cam but i don't see it.
Why did you have to remind me about Ali?
As for Erving's height... certainly works against him, but 6'5 is not without precedent for Centers, e.g. the Fins' Mike Pouncey. Difference is Pouncey plays low.
Found this chart from 2014 on player height/weight: http://imgur.com/FBFKSdB
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TB got it right, last season got RT Donovan Smith at #34 & next pick G Ali Marpet at #61. J. Winston played well behind both that became starters all season.
Big Irv. is 6'5."(Rg3 will be a small child under center) give me a nfl DT that can't get under that at C & drive. Prove me wrong Cam but i don't see it.
Why did you have to remind me about Ali?
As for Erving's height... certainly works against him, but 6'5 is not without precedent for Centers, e.g. the Fins' Mike Pouncey. Difference is Pouncey plays low.
Found this chart from 2014 on player height/weight: http://imgur.com/FBFKSdB
Why did you have to remind me about Ali?
Yeah, that hurt.
Sometimes just being a Browns Fan hurts. What is funny the Browns used pick #51 to get Tia's guy Nate Orchard, so you two battle it out
. Just a thought. Think LG Joel B. is ready to flip to RG to stable right side while we slide Greco to C & put our weakest link between JT & Greco at LG? (Cam, Bailey or Pasztor) or asking to much from shuffle? Maybe Joel can help the unsure-ability at RT? Thanks, again just a blind opinion.Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Well, Ghoulish, in his defense, hasn't said ya don't NEED an offensive line...
he's often made it clear that you could just get offensive linemen from the teenage
girl gymnasts on "America's Got Talent"...................
Well, Ghoulish, in his defense, hasn't said ya don't NEED an offensive line...
he's often made it clear that you could just get offensive linemen from the teenage
girl gymnasts on "America's Got Talent"...................
With the response I got from VK this AM from your "Browns turning the corner" topic. I thought the Topic was changed to VK was turning the corner on BB..Got no "Told you so" nor any "Browns Hating" I Left feeling like my Ghoulish glass was half empty
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Why did you have to remind me about Ali?
Yeah, that hurt.
Sometimes just being a Browns Fan hurts. What is funny the Browns used pick #51 to get Tia's guy Nate Orchard, so you two battle it out
. Just a thought. Think LG Joel B. is ready to flip to RG to stable right side while we slide Greco to C & put our weakest link between JT & Greco at LG? (Cam, Bailey or Pasztor) or asking to much from shuffle? Maybe Joel can help the unsure-ability at RT? Thanks, again just a blind opinion.Sometimes just being a Browns Fan hurts. What is funny the Browns used pick #51 to get Tia's guy Nate Orchard, so you two battle it out
. Just a thought. Think LG Joel B. is ready to flip to RG to stable right side while we slide Greco to C & put our weakest link between JT & Greco at LG? (Cam, Bailey or Pasztor) or asking to much from shuffle? Maybe Joel can help the unsure-ability at RT? Thanks, again just a blind opinion.lol... If Ogbah ends up bookended opposite Orchard, then we are going to need a nickname for our O-O duo...
I think I'm already on record saying Thomas-Paztor-Greco-Bito-SColeman is my starting five projection...
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In all honesty I was hoping Ali was going to fall to the first part of the 3rd round. Would have been a complete steal.
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Look T, I told you I was Blind in my opinion
& Tia hope Nate at #51 works out over T's Marpet at #61 cause we stole Duke Johnson with our next pick at #77. If all else fails we blame Farmer for not trading up for T's Marpet. Ready Break!!Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Cam will be the team's sophomore of the year.
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Look T, I told you I was Blind in my opinion
& Tia hope Nate at #51 works out over T's Marpet at #61 cause we stole Duke Johnson with our next pick at #77. If all else fails we blame Farmer for not trading up for T's Marpet. Ready Break!!Look T, I told you I was Blind in my opinion
& Tia hope Nate at #51 works out over T's Marpet at #61 cause we stole Duke Johnson with our next pick at #77. If all else fails we blame Farmer for not trading up for T's Marpet. Ready Break!!We did not necessarily need to trade up for Ali. We could have traded down the Erving pick, 1.19.
One 2015 OL I liked, but never saw rising as fast as he has as a pro is Mitch Morse. KC tabbed him in the 2nd (early I thought) before Ali was off the board. They plugged him in at Center and he had a great rookie campaign.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Look T, I told you I was Blind in my opinion
& Tia hope Nate at #51 works out over T's Marpet at #61 cause we stole Duke Johnson with our next pick at #77. If all else fails we blame Farmer for not trading up for T's Marpet. Ready Break!!We did not necessarily need to trade up for Ali. We could have traded down the Erving pick, 1.19.
One 2015 OL I liked, but never saw rising as fast as he has as a pro is Mitch Morse. KC tabbed him in the 2nd (early I thought) before Ali was off the board. They plugged him in at Center and he had a great rookie campaign.
We did not necessarily need to trade up for Ali. We could have traded down the Erving pick, 1.19.
One 2015 OL I liked, but never saw rising as fast as he has as a pro is Mitch Morse. KC tabbed him in the 2nd (early I thought) before Ali was off the board. They plugged him in at Center and he had a great rookie campaign.
This is where I remember mentioning I'd be happy with trading down our 2nd 1st rounder into the late 20's (even Seattle's pick) and snagging Nate. Also recall Tour going on about Morse.
Hindsight would have been nice to have Danny, Nate, then Ali or Morse.
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Look T, I told you I was Blind in my opinion
& Tia hope Nate at #51 works out over T's Marpet at #61 cause we stole Duke Johnson with our next pick at #77. If all else fails we blame Farmer for not trading up for T's Marpet. Ready Break!!We did not necessarily need to trade up for Ali. We could have traded down the Erving pick, 1.19.
One 2015 OL I liked, but never saw rising as fast as he has as a pro is Mitch Morse. KC tabbed him in the 2nd (early I thought) before Ali was off the board. They plugged him in at Center and he had a great rookie campaign.
We did not necessarily need to trade up for Ali. We could have traded down the Erving pick, 1.19.
One 2015 OL I liked, but never saw rising as fast as he has as a pro is Mitch Morse. KC tabbed him in the 2nd (early I thought) before Ali was off the board. They plugged him in at Center and he had a great rookie campaign.
Mitch went #49
This is where I remember mentioning I'd be happy with trading down our 2nd 1st rounder into the late 20's (even Seattle's pick) and snagging Nate. Also recall Tour going on about Morse.
Hindsight would have been nice to have Danny, Nate, then Ali or Morse.
Correctamundo Tia, We could have traded down with any of the next 9 teams from 19 if they would give up their 2nd rounder, to get Ali. The Saints at #31 was the only option to see Mitch Morse
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VesnaKociper said:
I never said that either. What I said was, OL are the least athletically talented men on a football field. They are required ot be big, fat, and strong, but they are after all, a dime a dozen. Fatasses.
Is that what all those lost episodes of the Mandrell Sisters have taught you on Sunday afternoons? Seems to me if your dime a dozen theory was all that was necessary - we grossly underachieved in our first 32 games back with 5 and 27 football.
When this offense has worked in the past, we've had talent like Cody Risien, Joe Dellamaleure, Tony Jones, Steve Everitt. It even looked good in 2007 when we had Hank Fraley pulling from his Center position in his 30s to lead a sweep. It didn't hurt when to have Eric Steinbach and rookie Joe Thomas to the left either. IMO, the problems surfaced when Eric Steinbach couldn't answer the bell with career ending back surgery regardless of adding Mack at Center. We've gone the dime a dozen solution to Steinbach all the way up until the selection of Joel Bitonio. What came next? A 7-4 start nobody saw coming.
If anything, we took an absolute nobody like Peyton Hillis at RB and our line helped him overachieve. The team in Baltimore thought Jamal Lewis had dead wheels to the extent the didn't even mind him coming to a team in their division. He rushed for about 1300 yards in 2007 and added something like 10 TDs when our running game offered a career backup QB like DA the balance to promote 29 TD passes. If dime a dozens never mattered, all we had to do was keep Kevin Shaffer and Joe Andruzzi in charge of the blind side of QB instead of teaming up Joe Thomas with Eric Steinbach.
Smart teams that want to run the ball make sure they have good OGs like the ones employing Yanda and DeCastro. I'm real happy we drafted Bitonio because my first impression of him came in a good scheme fit.
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I don't even think Ghoolie actually believes any of this.
He just keeps posting all this nonsense because he combines the physical attractiveness of a cleft palate with the child's basic need to feel significant through defiance of authority.
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