LeBron The Greatest of All Time?
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One Post From the Truth said:
L James has played in the last SEVEN straight finals.
Only 6 straight.....7 overall.
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Lebrons scoring now comes primarlily from muscling his way to the basket. His shot is night to night now. Lebrons a beyter passer than those guys sure, but we all saw how the warriors baited him into passing and jumping those lanes.
If all 3 came out in the draft next year, knowing what we know, i would still take jordan. And only because we know kobe has clashed more with teammates. From a pure skill standpoint i still wouldnt know who to take between kobe and jordan.
I would take lebron over them only if i already had other pieces in place that he would fit better with
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Lebrons scoring now comes primarlily from muscling his way to the basket. His shot is night to night now. Lebrons a beyter passer than those guys sure, but we all saw how the warriors baited him into passing and jumping those lanes.
If all 3 came out in the draft next year, knowing what we know, i would still take jordan. And only because we know kobe has clashed more with teammates. From a pure skill standpoint i still wouldnt know who to take between kobe and jordan.
I would take lebron over them only if i already had other pieces in place that he would fit better with
Lebrons scoring now comes primarlily from muscling his way to the basket. His shot is night to night now. Lebrons a beyter passer than those guys sure, but we all saw how the warriors baited him into passing and jumping those lanes.
If all 3 came out in the draft next year, knowing what we know, i would still take jordan. And only because we know kobe has clashed more with teammates. From a pure skill standpoint i still wouldnt know who to take between kobe and jordan.
I would take lebron over them only if i already had other pieces in place that he would fit better with
Well. Sorry. You're wrong.
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From purely a skill standpoint, michael and kobe are still the greatest.
If the only skill you are talking about is scoring....but LeBron's skills, as I am sure you are aware go well beyond just scoring.
(If he wanted to just score like MJ and Kobe, he could do that.)
If the only skill you are talking about is scoring....but LeBron's skills, as I am sure you are aware go well beyond just scoring.
(If he wanted to just score like MJ and Kobe, he could do that.)
Sure could- he'd be another Karl Malone if he wanted to. Malone had Stockton with him for years- and failed to win a Ring. Just like Curry is better than LeBron because he puts more balls through the hoop.
Regarding Kobe- prime a-hole, might have a few more rings if he didn't run Shaq out of town. & he really carried the Lakers this year to a 17 win season.
As a complete player- no one else (currently) is close to LeBron. They have to go back to Oscar Robertson for comparisons. James has already passed Jordan and Kobe in rebounds and assists. You might argue Jordan would hold better stats if he hadn't sat out for 4 seasons- but he did. I'll concede that Jordan is still the GOAT. But with this win, LeBron put himself in the conversation for top 5- and he's far from done yet IMHO. 2016-2017 he's almost certain to pass Shaq for #7 all time in points. Barring injury, and playing until he's a shadow of himself (like Jerry Rice did in football) Kareem's point record might be attainable- and that's not me talking- it's a couple of other supposed experts saying that.
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What hurts the Lebron vs MJ discussion is Jordan never had a Finals like Lebron did in 2011
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Well he has indeed went good on his promise. To deliver a championship back to Cleveland!
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Well he has indeed went good on his promise. To deliver a championship back to Cleveland!
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What hurts the Lebron vs MJ discussion is Jordan never had a Finals like Lebron did in 2011
What hurts the Lebron vs MJ discussion is Jordan never had a Finals like Lebron did in 2011
True enough. But what I said when he "took his talents to South Beach". One in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else. The crowds at the parade pretty much proved that. LeBron would be elected Mayor for life, if that's what he wanted to do (doubtful). And doing it against the defending NBA Champs who set a regular season record 73-9, down 3-1, and beating them twice on the road no less. Nothing short of NBA history.
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If the only skill you are talking about is scoring....but LeBron's skills, as I am sure you are aware go well beyond just scoring.
(If he wanted to just score like MJ and Kobe, he could do that.)
Sure could- he'd be another Karl Malone if he wanted to. Malone had Stockton with him for years- and failed to win a Ring. Just like Curry is better than LeBron because he puts more balls through the hoop.
Regarding Kobe- prime a-hole, might have a few more rings if he didn't run Shaq out of town. & he really carried the Lakers this year to a 17 win season.
As a complete player- no one else (currently) is close to LeBron. They have to go back to Oscar Robertson for comparisons. James has already passed Jordan and Kobe in rebounds and assists. You might argue Jordan would hold better stats if he hadn't sat out for 4 seasons- but he did. I'll concede that Jordan is still the GOAT. But with this win, LeBron put himself in the conversation for top 5- and he's far from done yet IMHO. 2016-2017 he's almost certain to pass Shaq for #7 all time in points. Barring injury, and playing until he's a shadow of himself (like Jerry Rice did in football) Kareem's point record might be attainable- and that's not me talking- it's a couple of other supposed experts saying that.
Sure could- he'd be another Karl Malone if he wanted to. Malone had Stockton with him for years- and failed to win a Ring. Just like Curry is better than LeBron because he puts more balls through the hoop.
Regarding Kobe- prime a-hole, might have a few more rings if he didn't run Shaq out of town. & he really carried the Lakers this year to a 17 win season.
As a complete player- no one else (currently) is close to LeBron. They have to go back to Oscar Robertson for comparisons. James has already passed Jordan and Kobe in rebounds and assists. You might argue Jordan would hold better stats if he hadn't sat out for 4 seasons- but he did. I'll concede that Jordan is still the GOAT. But with this win, LeBron put himself in the conversation for top 5- and he's far from done yet IMHO. 2016-2017 he's almost certain to pass Shaq for #7 all time in points. Barring injury, and playing until he's a shadow of himself (like Jerry Rice did in football) Kareem's point record might be attainable- and that's not me talking- it's a couple of other supposed experts saying that.
Jordan only sat out 3 seasons....unless you are talking about a year at the end of his career, which, if he sat out, he never should have come back from.
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What hurts the Lebron vs MJ discussion is Jordan never had a Finals like Lebron did in 2011
True enough. But what I said when he "took his talents to South Beach". One in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else. The crowds at the parade pretty much proved that. LeBron would be elected Mayor for life, if that's what he wanted to do (doubtful). And doing it against the defending NBA Champs who set a regular season record 73-9, down 3-1, and beating them twice on the road no less. Nothing short of NBA history.
True enough. But what I said when he "took his talents to South Beach". One in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else. The crowds at the parade pretty much proved that. LeBron would be elected Mayor for life, if that's what he wanted to do (doubtful). And doing it against the defending NBA Champs who set a regular season record 73-9, down 3-1, and beating them twice on the road no less. Nothing short of NBA history.
He would rather be Mayor of Akron. But then he would have to move back into Akron. There are some nice loft apartments he could live in. He now lives in Bath....or he could move back into Wadsworth where he lived for some time (as do I).
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Sure could- he'd be another Karl Malone if he wanted to. Malone had Stockton with him for years- and failed to win a Ring. Just like Curry is better than LeBron because he puts more balls through the hoop.
Regarding Kobe- prime a-hole, might have a few more rings if he didn't run Shaq out of town. & he really carried the Lakers this year to a 17 win season.
As a complete player- no one else (currently) is close to LeBron. They have to go back to Oscar Robertson for comparisons. James has already passed Jordan and Kobe in rebounds and assists. You might argue Jordan would hold better stats if he hadn't sat out for 4 seasons- but he did. I'll concede that Jordan is still the GOAT. But with this win, LeBron put himself in the conversation for top 5- and he's far from done yet IMHO. 2016-2017 he's almost certain to pass Shaq for #7 all time in points. Barring injury, and playing until he's a shadow of himself (like Jerry Rice did in football) Kareem's point record might be attainable- and that's not me talking- it's a couple of other supposed experts saying that.
Jordan only sat out 3 seasons....unless you are talking about a year at the end of his career, which, if he sat out, he never should have come back from.
Jordan only sat out 3 seasons....unless you are talking about a year at the end of his career, which, if he sat out, he never should have come back from.
I know you hate to be wrong, but pro basketball reference says otherwise.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
And you are right, he'd probably want to be Mayor of Akron instead of Cleveland.
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Jordan only sat out 3 seasons....unless you are talking about a year at the end of his career, which, if he sat out, he never should have come back from.
I know you hate to be wrong, but pro basketball reference says otherwise.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
And you are right, he'd probably want to be Mayor of Akron instead of Cleveland.
I know you hate to be wrong, but pro basketball reference says otherwise.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
And you are right, he'd probably want to be Mayor of Akron instead of Cleveland.
I was wrong....but not in how I thought I was wrong. I thought he stayed out 2-3 years between his two stints with the Bulls....but apparently it was only 1 year? Like I said, those other 3 years he retired because he was done....and he never should have come back with the Wizards.
The year there in the middle with the Bulls was the year he spent away after his dad was murdered (and also some theorize so that he could avoid a suspension due to his gambling issues)
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What hurts the Lebron vs MJ discussion is Jordan never had a Finals like Lebron did in 2011
True enough. But what I said when he "took his talents to South Beach". One in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else. The crowds at the parade pretty much proved that. LeBron would be elected Mayor for life, if that's what he wanted to do (doubtful). And doing it against the defending NBA Champs who set a regular season record 73-9, down 3-1, and beating them twice on the road no less. Nothing short of NBA history.
True enough. But what I said when he "took his talents to South Beach". One in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else. The crowds at the parade pretty much proved that. LeBron would be elected Mayor for life, if that's what he wanted to do (doubtful). And doing it against the defending NBA Champs who set a regular season record 73-9, down 3-1, and beating them twice on the road no less. Nothing short of NBA history.
Great series no doubt but this really only means that much to Cleveland Cavs fans and the city of Cleveland. The Celtics vs Lakers series in the 80s featured 3 of the top 10 players of all time playing against each other and throw in Mchale and Worthy for good measure.
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True enough. But what I said when he "took his talents to South Beach". One in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else. The crowds at the parade pretty much proved that. LeBron would be elected Mayor for life, if that's what he wanted to do (doubtful). And doing it against the defending NBA Champs who set a regular season record 73-9, down 3-1, and beating them twice on the road no less. Nothing short of NBA history.
Great series no doubt but this really only means that much to Cleveland Cavs fans and the city of Cleveland. The Celtics vs Lakers series in the 80s featured 3 of the top 10 players of all time playing against each other and throw in Mchale and Worthy for good measure.
Great series no doubt but this really only means that much to Cleveland Cavs fans and the city of Cleveland. The Celtics vs Lakers series in the 80s featured 3 of the top 10 players of all time playing against each other and throw in Mchale and Worthy for good measure.
Well, Cavs/Warriors could one day be considered a series that had 3 of the Top Ten players of all time. LeBron certainly. And Curry is being talked about in those terms....and who knows, maybe someday Kyrie will become considered in that league.
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The National media is all over these finals. I think it's safe to say it captured the imagination of more than cleveland.
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The National media is all over these finals. I think it's safe to say it captured the imagination of more than cleveland.
The National media is all over these finals. I think it's safe to say it captured the imagination of more than cleveland.
It just goes to show you don't need to play in New York, Los Angeles, (or even Boston) to attract top talent anymore. LOL, I heard Whiteside wouldn't even talk to the Lakers.The new paradigm is get an all world player- like Lebron (or Durant) surround him with at least 2 other really good All Stars- and it's off to the finals. -
Great series no doubt but this really only means that much to Cleveland Cavs fans and the city of Cleveland. The Celtics vs Lakers series in the 80s featured 3 of the top 10 players of all time playing against each other and throw in Mchale and Worthy for good measure.
Well, Cavs/Warriors could one day be considered a series that had 3 of the Top Ten players of all time. LeBron certainly. And Curry is being talked about in those terms....and who knows, maybe someday Kyrie will become considered in that league.
Well, Cavs/Warriors could one day be considered a series that had 3 of the Top Ten players of all time. LeBron certainly. And Curry is being talked about in those terms....and who knows, maybe someday Kyrie will become considered in that league.
Lebron absolutely. Kyrie and Curry, no chance.
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The National media is all over these finals. I think it's safe to say it captured the imagination of more than cleveland.
The National media is all over these finals. I think it's safe to say it captured the imagination of more than cleveland.
Whoa pump the brakes. Not saying it was't a good Finals or that other fans don't care but to say that "1 in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else" is a bit much. It was a very solid series but don't think this will go down as one of the greats unless you are a Cleveland guy.
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The National media is all over these finals. I think it's safe to say it captured the imagination of more than cleveland.
Whoa pump the brakes. Not saying it was't a good Finals or that other fans don't care but to say that "1 in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else" is a bit much. It was a very solid series but don't think this will go down as one of the greats unless you are a Cleveland guy.
Whoa pump the brakes. Not saying it was't a good Finals or that other fans don't care but to say that "1 in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else" is a bit much. It was a very solid series but don't think this will go down as one of the greats unless you are a Cleveland guy.
I know you hate the cavs and are biased for the Celtics of all things for some reason but there's way more drama attached to this than any final in probably 20 years or more easily. Time will tell but I think it DOES go down as an a time great finals.
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Whoa pump the brakes. Not saying it was't a good Finals or that other fans don't care but to say that "1 in Cleveland is worth 10 anywhere else" is a bit much. It was a very solid series but don't think this will go down as one of the greats unless you are a Cleveland guy.
I know you hate the cavs and are biased for the Celtics of all things for some reason but there's way more drama attached to this than any final in probably 20 years or more easily. Time will tell but I think it DOES go down as an a time great finals.
I know you hate the cavs and are biased for the Celtics of all things for some reason but there's way more drama attached to this than any final in probably 20 years or more easily. Time will tell but I think it DOES go down as an a time great finals.
No hate for the Cavs, really like Lebron. But 2 games were fucking shit show blowouts, Green suspended for game 5 and neither Curry or Klay showed up in game 7. Every game but game 7 was won by double digits. Lebron was awesome and Kyrie out played Curry in the series but no real drama other than Cleveland's 1st Championship in a long time and Golden States 73 win
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