PFT Reporting its Crabtree or Sanchez
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Like i said previously Savage was not a bad GM. He wasnt a good one either. He was somewhere in between. He had ample time to turn the browns around and just couldnt get it done. I know he overpaid for some FA but in a way i understand. I mean who wants to move to a team that has been so up and down(mainly down). It takes something to sway FA's opinions $$$. I think the biggest demise of Savage was Crennel. Crennel is a good people person i mean i loved the guy but as far as managing the game he couldnt get it done.
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I don't think Savages being released was so much results oriented as in wins and losses or player selection.
I think it had to do with his personalty.....I think he had a pretty high view of his worth and was irritating to Lerner.
You can go back to the Collins situation along with his constant need to be the face of the team.
Phil was a little to busy making himself look good and not spending enough time helping others look good.
JMO
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Savage obviously had some good moments such as drafting Joe Thomas and fleecing the eminently fleece-able Detroit Lions for Rogers. Rogers came cheap though because he was discontented and no one really knew if he'd "show up". That said, my problem is in his disregard for the value of draft picks. Right now, this team suffers from a lack of draft picks. The good teams in this football economy value them more than anything. Eagles, Steelers, Pats, Colts treat them like gold. The only way you will stay out of cap hell and have prolonged success in this league is through the draft.
Savage really limited the organization going forward. That could have been a desperate move to save his job but now the Mangini-Kokinis regime is left to pick up the pieces of it. Just my opinion here but it seems that you have to recoup some picks and you have to legitimately look at your areas of strength. The areas of strength provide you with currency to recoup draft picks. The obvious commodities (i.e., guys that people are willing to part with players and/or picks for) are simply Quinn and Edwards. Thomas is untouchable. I think it would be nice to keep Quinn and dump DA but at the same time, the NFL value is in Quinn. Personally, I think that a good deal for Edwards is a no-brainer. Two picks and possibly a player is something I'd take to the bank. At the WR position there are few guys in this league that are truly irreplaceable and young productive WRs are frequently a better deal both financially and athletically. There isn't a player out there who's worth 3 players except perhaps a Brady or a Peyton Manning.
I think the real challenge in this draft is to figure out a way to pick up two more draft picks because there are so many needs that a Braylon Edwards is likely expendable...whether we here like it or not. Kokinis and Mangini are both quite business-like in their approach and it's hard for us to deal with not knowing what they're up to but there IS a plan.
A WORD OF WARNING: In the last three years, Mangini has traded back up into the bottom of the first round to get players he wanted (C Nick Mangold, TE Dustin Keller). Both of those guys were productive and quality picks. I don't think it's going to be that easy this year because he doesn't have the picks to trade BUT I would expect some kind of movement. I'd love to see a trade down to 10-11 but nowadays teams simply don't want to trade up because of the $$$.
Sorry to ramble...just my .02
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Like i said previously Savage was not a bad GM. He wasnt a good one either. He was somewhere in between. He had ample time to turn the browns around and just couldnt get it done. I know he overpaid for some FA but in a way i understand. I mean who wants to move to a team that has been so up and down(mainly down). It takes something to sway FA's opinions $$$. I think the biggest demise of Savage was Crennel. Crennel is a good people person i mean i loved the guy but as far as managing the game he couldnt get it done.
Like i said previously Savage was not a bad GM. He wasnt a good one either. He was somewhere in between. He had ample time to turn the browns around and just couldnt get it done. I know he overpaid for some FA but in a way i understand. I mean who wants to move to a team that has been so up and down(mainly down). It takes something to sway FA's opinions $$$. I think the biggest demise of Savage was Crennel. Crennel is a good people person i mean i loved the guy but as far as managing the game he couldnt get it done.
One of the bigger problems I am having with Savage is learning how he structured some of these contracts. I thought the idea of roster bonuses were to pay the guy if he was still on the team at a certain time and not pay if he wasn't. This bullshit with "guaranteed" roster bonuses whether the player is on the team or not is just another example of Phil being in over his head.
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Like i said previously Savage was not a bad GM. He wasnt a good one either. He was somewhere in between. He had ample time to turn the browns around and just couldnt get it done. I know he overpaid for some FA but in a way i understand. I mean who wants to move to a team that has been so up and down(mainly down). It takes something to sway FA's opinions $$$. I think the biggest demise of Savage was Crennel. Crennel is a good people person i mean i loved the guy but as far as managing the game he couldnt get it done.
One of the bigger problems I am having with Savage is learning how he structured some of these contracts. I thought the idea of roster bonuses were to pay the guy if he was still on the team at a certain time and not pay if he wasn't. This bullshit with "guaranteed" roster bonuses whether the player is on the team or not is just another example of Phil being in over his head.
One of the bigger problems I am having with Savage is learning how he structured some of these contracts. I thought the idea of roster bonuses were to pay the guy if he was still on the team at a certain time and not pay if he wasn't. This bullshit with "guaranteed" roster bonuses whether the player is on the team or not is just another example of Phil being in over his head.
True. There are other ways to pay out money that protect the team a bit more. Guaranteeing a bonus is stupid.
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http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/te...eveland-browns/
PFT is saying the Browns have leaked its either Crabtree or Sanchez. Also, Rutgers WR Kenny Britt is due in for a private workout the day before the draft. He's presumed to be a late 1st, early 2nd round pick.
Not sure if this has been posted yet....if so, mod please delete.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/te...eveland-browns/
PFT is saying the Browns have leaked its either Crabtree or Sanchez. Also, Rutgers WR Kenny Britt is due in for a private workout the day before the draft. He's presumed to be a late 1st, early 2nd round pick.
Mcshay changed his draft. He now says Sanchez is going to Seattle. Said it's the perfect fit.
34 year olf Hasslebeck can play one more year as Sanchez sits and learns.
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Who cares about past GM's and picks, every year the draft is different and we value picks differn't every year. Just like next year when we are picking in the top 8 we will be hoping we can take Colt in stead of the dumbass pick of Sanchez this year. This is a new group of coaches and a new GM. They will do things different even if its not what we want them to do. This shit will never change thats what makes it so much fun. If you are not a browns fan then you are happy with your team. All the other teams fans seem happy or at least optimitic about there teams, but not us we hate or at least bitch about the old shit that has happend. 2009 will be a great year for us, we will surprise he nfl with a soon to be great defense.
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More from Mike Lombardi:
A general manager told me that he expects Cleveland to trade Brady Quinn this week but heโs not sure what team he will be heading to. The prevailing feeling in the NFL is that the Browns like Mark Sanchez and have spent considerable time getting to know everything they can about him.
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Who cares about past GM's and picks, every year the draft is different and we value picks differn't every year. Just like next year when we are picking in the top 8 we will be hoping we can take Colt in stead of the dumbass pick of Sanchez this year. This is a new group of coaches and a new GM. They will do things different even if its not what we want them to do. This shit will never change thats what makes it so much fun. If you are not a browns fan then you are happy with your team. All the other teams fans seem happy or at least optimitic about there teams, but not us we hate or at least bitch about the old shit that has happend. 2009 will be a great year for us, we will surprise he nfl with a soon to be great defense.
Who cares about past GM's and picks, every year the draft is different and we value picks differn't every year. Just like next year when we are picking in the top 8 we will be hoping we can take Colt in stead of the dumbass pick of Sanchez this year. This is a new group of coaches and a new GM. They will do things different even if its not what we want them to do. This shit will never change thats what makes it so much fun. If you are not a browns fan then you are happy with your team. All the other teams fans seem happy or at least optimitic about there teams, but not us we hate or at least bitch about the old shit that has happend. 2009 will be a great year for us, we will surprise he nfl with a soon to be great defense.
The draft is different every year. I think you can dwell on the past too much and no one knows what's really gonna happen. Did anyone really see the Falcons making the playoffs last year? The Cardinals? It's a crapshoot. These guys get paid to field a team. It's a long time between now and August. What happens if Roethlisberger decides he wants to take up skydiving? You never know. That's why they play the games. I think that if the '09 Browns are a competitive team week in and week out....that's the initial ingredient for me as a fan.
There is a real danger amongst struggling teams that convince themselves that average talent is really good talent. The Falcons took a step up in that regard last year. The Lions obviously did not.
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More from Mike Lombardi:
A general manager told me that he expects Cleveland to trade Brady Quinn this week but heโs not sure what team he will be heading to. The prevailing feeling in the NFL is that the Browns like Mark Sanchez and have spent considerable time getting to know everything they can about him.
Aloysius said:
More from Mike Lombardi:If they make that trade before getting Sanchez..it tells me they like Anderson better than Quinn.
If Quinn is the guy we favor between him and Anderson, it would be a bit risky to make the trade before we were on the clock with Sanchez still sitting there.
Nothing says the 4 teams in front of us won't take him and or Stafford, and or trade the pick.
But.....Saturday is this week.
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