Orakpo=This Year's Gholston?
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Looks stiffer than Orakpo. You don't see him "bend the edge" much. And when he does, it's against RT's or inferior competition. Contrast that with Orakpo, who gave Loadholt and Russell Okung fits.
There's some risk with any 3-4 front seven projection; Orakpo's no exception. But his upside is incredibly enticing.
I'd take Osackpo over anyone in this draft not named Aaron Curry.
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Looks stiffer than Orakpo. You don't see him "bend the edge" much. And when he does, it's against RT's or inferior competition. Contrast that with Orakpo, who gave Loadholt and Russell Okung fits.
There's some risk with any 3-4 front seven projection; Orakpo's no exception. But his upside is incredibly enticing.
I'd take Osackpo over anyone in this draft not named Aaron Curry.
Aloysius said:
Looks stiffer than Orakpo. You don't seeing him "bend the edge" much. And when he does, it's against RT's or inferior competition. Contrast that with Orakpo, who gave Loadholt and Russell Okung fits.There's some risk with any 3-4 front seven projection; Orakpo's no exception. But his upside is incredibly enticing.
I'd take Osackpo over anyone in this draft not named Aaron Curry.
Actually his stiffness wasn't the point of the post......It was a response to another post that said he didn't dominate against big time talent. I think Long is Bigger than the two mentioned in your post.
I'm not even sure how much Orakpo lined up against Okung on the right side.
I'll go with Mayock's analysis......"His effort isn't consistant. He seems to disappear at times. I'd be shocked if he weren't a top ten pick but at #5 I'm just not an Orakpo guy at that level".
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Aloysius said:
Looks stiffer than Orakpo. You don't seeing him "bend the edge" much. And when he does, it's against RT's or inferior competition. Contrast that with Orakpo, who gave Loadholt and Russell Okung fits.There's some risk with any 3-4 front seven projection; Orakpo's no exception. But his upside is incredibly enticing.
I'd take Osackpo over anyone in this draft not named Aaron Curry.
Actually his stiffness wasn't the point of the post......It was a response to another post that said he didn't dominate against big time talent. I think Long is Bigger than the two mentioned in your post.
I'm not even sure how much Orakpo lined up against Okung on the right side.
I'll go with Mayock's analysis......"His effort isn't consistant. He seems to disappear at times. I'd be shocked if he weren't a top ten pick but at #5 I'm just not an Orakpo guy at that level".
Actually his stiffness wasn't the point of the post....It was that he did dominate against big time opponents. Bigger than the two mentioned in your post.
Oh, I don't contest that Gholston was a dominant college player. I'm focusing more on the skills that project to NFL success, particularly as a 3-4 linebacker.
The stiffness affects Gholston's ability to play in space. When I watched the prospects run through LB drills at the Combine last year, I though Chris Long looked more like a guy capable of transitioning to linebacker. In reality, both players are probably better off playing 4-3 end.
Also, I think one of Gholston's problems is that he was able to physically overwhelm guys at the collegiate level, whereas he'll need to refine his hand usage and rush moves to have consistent success as a rusher in the NFL. Orakpo needs some work in this area too, but he's got the quickness to beat guys with speed. Plus, he's shown the commitment to improving his game, spending the '08 offseason studying martial arts in order to improve his hand play. I've heard that some question Gholston's desire to be great; I don't think that's much of a concern with Osackpo.
I'll go with Mayhock's analysis......"His effort isn't consistant. He seems to disappear at times. I'd be shocked if he weren't a top ten pick but at #5 I'm just not an Orakpo guy at that level".
Don't know what's up with Mayock. A couple months ago, he was saying that Orakpo reminded him of DeMarcus Ware and Aaron Curry could play anywhere in any scheme. Now, he's a hell of a lot more skeptical about Orakpo and is "more comfortable" projecting Curry to a 4-3 front. And then there's the whole Robert Ayers thing...
Still have a ton of respect for the guy's opinion. Just wish I could get a clearer explanation for why his views are evolving. Watched the Alabama-Tennessee game because he mentioned that Ayers dominated Andre Smith, and I saw a guy reducing inside to use his good but not great quickness to beat Bama's LG. Watched the Texas-Oklahoma State game because he mentioned how Pettigrew handled Orakpo, and I see Orakpo overwhelm a future 1st round left tackle.
Just don't get why Ayers is suddenly a better prospect than Orakpo and Curry.
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I agree.....I said in a previous post that I see Gholston as much more of a John Abraham type. He should be playing DE where he can use that first step quickness and brute strength.
I never saw him as a Linebacker.
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Sorry, VT, I don't remember that game... must have been busy.
But even though they are similar in build, their mental make up seems to be very, very different.
Ghouston was a loner, and quiet. Competitive on the field
But Orakpo is extremely competitive, and outgoing, and funny, and -into the game-.
The big different, imho, is the personality and drive of Orakpo. That will make him a big success in the NFL.
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Texas' opponents experiencing Orakpo phobia
01:29 AM CDT on Thursday, October 30, 2008
AUSTIN – Brian Orakpo, a fan of author John Steinbeck, penned a concise description of his playing
style for the Texas football Web site: "Too fast for your eyes."
The problem was that Orakpo was more visible than he wanted to be in 2007, slowed by a knee injury.
The senior defensive end whom coach Mack Brown called maybe the best pass rusher of his time in
Texas managed just 5 ½ sacks after suffering a chop block against Arkansas State.
Now, the Orakpo everybody expected has emerged. He's in the face of offensive linemen, the heads of
quarterbacks and on a mission, he says, to make up for time lost.
The next challenge of Orakpo and his defensive teammates will be getting past Texas Tech's ample, accomplished
offensive line and invading Graham Harrell's personal space.
"They've only given up three sacks all season," said Orakpo (6-4, 260). "We understand their philosophy. We
understand that the sacks aren't going to be a huge numbers.
"But from what we've saying from Day 1 is putting the pressure, making them somewhat uncomfortable and not letting
them sit back there for days."
Containing Orakpo has bedeviled even the biggest and best offensive linemen. Somehow, Orakpo found a route around
Oklahoma's mammoth Phil Loadholt (6-8, 337) in an eye-opening performance earlier this year.
"It means a lot to our defense because you know somehow the quarterback will be affected," Texas defensive tackle
Roy Miller said. "Rak has a mismatch on everybody he plays."
In big-time college football, just about everybody is strong.
Or fast.
Or gifted.
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Sorry, VT, I don't remember that game... must have been busy.
But even though they are similar in build, their mental make up seems to be very, very different.
Ghouston was a loner, and quiet. Competitive on the field
But Orakpo is extremely competitive, and outgoing, and funny, and -into the game-.
The big different, imho, is the personality and drive of Orakpo. That will make him a big success in the NFL.
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Texas' opponents experiencing Orakpo phobia
01:29 AM CDT on Thursday, October 30, 2008
AUSTIN – Brian Orakpo, a fan of author John Steinbeck, penned a concise description of his playing
style for the Texas football Web site: "Too fast for your eyes."
The problem was that Orakpo was more visible than he wanted to be in 2007, slowed by a knee injury.
The senior defensive end whom coach Mack Brown called maybe the best pass rusher of his time in
Texas managed just 5 ½ sacks after suffering a chop block against Arkansas State.
Now, the Orakpo everybody expected has emerged. He's in the face of offensive linemen, the heads of
quarterbacks and on a mission, he says, to make up for time lost.
The next challenge of Orakpo and his defensive teammates will be getting past Texas Tech's ample, accomplished
offensive line and invading Graham Harrell's personal space.
"They've only given up three sacks all season," said Orakpo (6-4, 260). "We understand their philosophy. We
understand that the sacks aren't going to be a huge numbers.
"But from what we've saying from Day 1 is putting the pressure, making them somewhat uncomfortable and not letting
them sit back there for days."
Containing Orakpo has bedeviled even the biggest and best offensive linemen. Somehow, Orakpo found a route around
Oklahoma's mammoth Phil Loadholt (6-8, 337) in an eye-opening performance earlier this year.
"It means a lot to our defense because you know somehow the quarterback will be affected," Texas defensive tackle
Roy Miller said. "Rak has a mismatch on everybody he plays."
In big-time college football, just about everybody is strong.
Or fast.
Or gifted.
Containing Orakpo has bedeviled even the biggest and best offensive linemen. Somehow, Orakpo found a route around
Oklahoma's mammoth Phil Loadholt (6-8, 337) in an eye-opening performance earlier this year.
And late round selection or undrafted FA Alex Boone shut him down. Orakpo had one early sack and two tackles in the Fiesta bowl. After the 1st period he completely disappeared.
I think this is why Mayock as cooled on him. Could he be great? You bet.... But Mayock sees a guy that isn't consistent.
Mayock acts now as if he doesn't even think he's worthy a top ten pick.
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Containing Orakpo has bedeviled even the biggest and best offensive linemen. Somehow, Orakpo found a route around
Oklahoma's mammoth Phil Loadholt (6-8, 337) in an eye-opening performance earlier this year.
And late round selection or undrafted FA Alex Boone shut him down. Orakpo had one early sack and two tackles in the Fiesta bowl. After the 1st period he completely disappeared.
I think this is why Mayock as cooled on him. Could he be great? You bet.... But Mayock sees a guy that isn't consistent.
Mayock acts now as if he doesn't even think he's worthy a top ten pick.
And late round selection or undrafted FA Alex Boone shut him down.
That's not true. It wasn't Orakpo's best game, but Boone didn't "shut him down". In fact, Orakpo lined up a lot at LE because they wanted to stop Pryor from simply rolling to the right whenever Orakpo beat Boone, which happened a few times early in the game.
You can re-watch the game on Hulu. There's been a lot of unfair criticism of his play in that game. And because it's the only Texas game a lot of OSU/Browns fans saw, it's leading to some being a lot lower on Orakpo than they should be.
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And late round selection or undrafted FA Alex Boone shut him down.
That's not true. It wasn't Orakpo's best game, but Boone didn't "shut him down". In fact, Orakpo lined up a lot at LE because they wanted to stop Pryor from simply rolling to the right whenever Orakpo beat Boone, which happened a few times early in the game.
You can re-watch the game on Hulu. There's been a lot of unfair criticism of his play in that game. And because it's the only Texas game a lot of OSU/Browns fans saw, it's leading to some being a lot lower on Orakpo than they should be.
Aloysius said:
That's not true. It wasn't Orakpo's best game, but Boone didn't "shut him down". In fact, Orakpo lined up a lot at LE because they wanted to stop Pryor from simply rolling to the right whenever Orakpo beat Boone, which happened a few times early in the game.You can re-watch the game on Hulu. There's been a lot of unfair criticism of his play in that game. And because it's the only Texas game a lot of OSU/Browns fans saw, it's leading to some being a lot lower on Orakpo than they should be.
Ok, then Bryant Browning shut him down....Even worse!!! A guard who had been moved to Tackle out of need.
Either way, his presence was not felt often in that game.
Where was he when Boeckman played? Didn't have to worry about Pryor rolling on those plays. He never came close to Boeckman.
Todd was 5-12 for 110 yards and a TD. During those plays Texas knew they Buckeyes were going to throw. The perfect time for Orakpo to put his head down and go. Where was he?
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And late round selection or undrafted FA Alex Boone shut him down.
That's not true. It wasn't Orakpo's best game, but Boone didn't "shut him down". In fact, Orakpo lined up a lot at LE because they wanted to stop Pryor from simply rolling to the right whenever Orakpo beat Boone, which happened a few times early in the game.
You can re-watch the game on Hulu. There's been a lot of unfair criticism of his play in that game. And because it's the only Texas game a lot of OSU/Browns fans saw, it's leading to some being a lot lower on Orakpo than they should be.
Aloysius said:
That's not true. It wasn't Orakpo's best game, but Boone didn't "shut him down". In fact, Orakpo lined up a lot at LE because they wanted to stop Pryor from simply rolling to the right whenever Orakpo beat Boone, which happened a few times early in the game.You can re-watch the game on Hulu. There's been a lot of unfair criticism of his play in that game. And because it's the only Texas game a lot of OSU/Browns fans saw, it's leading to some being a lot lower on Orakpo than they should be.
Don't need to rewatch it cuz that's how I remember it. He definitely did not get "shut down".
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Aloysius said:
That's not true. It wasn't Orakpo's best game, but Boone didn't "shut him down". In fact, Orakpo lined up a lot at LE because they wanted to stop Pryor from simply rolling to the right whenever Orakpo beat Boone, which happened a few times early in the game.You can re-watch the game on Hulu. There's been a lot of unfair criticism of his play in that game. And because it's the only Texas game a lot of OSU/Browns fans saw, it's leading to some being a lot lower on Orakpo than they should be.
Don't need to rewatch it cuz that's how I remember it. He definitely did not get "shut down".
Don't need to rewatch it cuz that's how I remember it. He definitely did not get "shut down".
I sack and two tackles is not shut down?
Ok!!
As I said in the prvious post....Can't say Orakpo was spying Pryor when Boeckman threw the ball 12 times for 110 yards and a TD.
I guess Orakpo was being shut down at LE by.....Bryant Browning!!
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Just watched the first quarter. After one quarter Orakpo played LE on one play.
He had 0 tackles. He had one QB hurry and caused one holding penalty when he had beat Boone.
To his credit almost everything the Buckeyes ran was to their right side.
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First half is over.
1 tackle. I Qb hurry and he played LE on only one play.
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Gholston was a very good player and I was hoping the Browns might end up with him. Maybe the bruising inside backer job might be better for him, not sure. I still think he will be a good player in the NFL.
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Just listened to Mcshay on ESPNU.
I think he has cooled on Orakpo too. Mcshay is now saying he doesn't even think he's a OLB. Questions his cover ability.
He thinks he's a pure 4-3 DE.
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I wish Todd Mcshay would be our GM since he is the best football evaluator out there, why havent we hired him.
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I wish Todd Mcshay would be our GM since he is the best football evaluator out there, why havent we hired him.
I wish Todd Mcshay would be our GM since he is the best football evaluator out there, why havent we hired him.
The guy is well respected around the league....He's been evaluating talent for a living for well over ten years.
He's not just another ESPN reporter.
He was tutored by long time scout and coach Gary Horton for the war room. This firm is hired by NFL teams to provide independent scouting reports.
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EA just announced Orakpo to be on the cover of Madden '10
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@inspecta said:
Are you serious?that's the first time a rookie has ever been on the cover of madden, and also means I don't want to touch that kid with a 20 foot pole.
The kid is doomed, why oh why did his agent agree to this?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Just listened to Mcshay on ESPNU.
I think he has cooled on Orakpo too. Mcshay is now saying he doesn't even think he's a OLB. Questions his cover ability.
He thinks he's a pure 4-3 DE.
Just listened to Mcshay on ESPNU.
I think he has cooled on Orakpo too. Mcshay is now saying he doesn't even think he's a OLB. Questions his cover ability.
He thinks he's a pure 4-3 DE.
Texas played some 3-4 this year and Orakpo played OLB and scouts say the film of him in coverage was very good. He also did a very good job at the combine in the LB drills.
McShay is flip-flopping on a lot of guys in the last few days. He's had Orakpo going to Cleveland, Sanchez going to Cleveland, Crabtree going to Cleveland and now Raji going to Cleveland.
Fact is nobody has a clue what the Browns are going to do.
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