Thoughts on the defensive front from tonights game and holy shit Nassib looks legit..
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Nassib fan club founder, thank you very much.
Also a Manziel fan. Call it a wash.
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Manziel, Gilbert, Mingo, Shelton, and Erving absolutely destroyed us. It's obviously too early to write off Shelton or Erving, but the early indications are far from good. Shelton was drafted at the number 12 slot for crying out loud. That's an impact pick, and we have not gotten the impact from him. Again, it's early, but watching him get his ass whipped by Mack hurt for so many reasons. Yes, I know Mack is elite, but I wanted to see Shelton win A FEW battles!
Mud has said repeatedly that we don't have defensive talent. It's difficult to argue with him. We hear over and over how preseason defenses are "vanilla" and don't display too much of what they want to run. I can't even use that as an excuse because NT doesn't exactly have a ton of variation. Hue Jackson left Shelton in a little longer against the Falcons than some other starters. It's easy to see why. He wants to know what the guy can do.
Early indications of our defense's ability to tackle are not good. We will probably get chewed up on the ground (again) and this will keep our offense to fewer possessions. An early 3 and out by the offense could quite literally put us in an awful hole. It's difficult to sit here and say I feel optimistic about the defense, and I'm an optimistic guy. We've had 2 friggin preseason games, and I don't want to get TOO upset, but I certainly want to see better tackling, more penetration, and more early punts against the Bucs. A good performance in this pivotal 3rd exhibition game would go a long way for this unit. We get sliced and diced by Winston this Friday (and he looks incredible btw),AND we get torched in the ground...it's going to be a long 2 weeks before we play at Philadelphia and obviously lose because we don't win 1st games.
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Got ya beat by about two months there, chap.Nassib fan club founder, thank you very much.
Got ya beat by about two months there, chap.
Bandwagon getting a little crowded?
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Nassib fan club founder, thank you very much.
Did you start a fan club?
Because I was retaining his rights as the only Penn Stater on here who followed his breakout year last season.
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I've liked Carl (see, first name basis) since the day he was born........ I win.
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I saw it in the chicken bones and ash before there was man.
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Former #8 and #6 players overall could be cut though.
they played out their string though. A good GM with a clue would've already cut bait with those two. I'm guessin that is what we see in the final cuts.
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I wonder what the draft pick #would be if calculated by some numbers guy....... Like 12 picks in a year / how many years, what would be the common denominator or whatever it'd be called that #28th pick is the browns?
I mean is there really value in trading down and drafting 2nd and 3rd stringers to be sideline cannon fodder vs. keeping the pick and drafting in the top 5 which we could have done for the past gazzillion years?
Yes.
For a team like the Browns have been, the value is there........if you don't cut the cannon fodder after two years and get a new guy to install new cannon fodder.
Two years ago, the Browns were a team of third stringers with one or two mid level talent players and two or three backup level players.
Now, this is a team of backups with one or two star potential players and two or three mid-level talent players.
Add a couple high draft picks next year and one or two FA acquisitions and now it's a team of mid level starters with maybe one elite level player, and two or three stars.
For the love of God...just don't hit the reset button again.
Two years ago, the Browns were a team of third stringers with one or two mid level talent players and two or three backup level players.
Now, this is a team of backups with one or two star potential players and two or three mid-level talent players.
revisionist history.... as the same could be said 4, 6 and 10 years ago etc.
don't act like there is anything new going on except the faces making the decisions.
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Two years ago, the Browns were a team of third stringers with one or two mid level talent players and two or three backup level players.
Now, this is a team of backups with one or two star potential players and two or three mid-level talent players.
revisionist history.... as the same could be said 4, 6 and 10 years ago etc.
don't act like there is anything new going on except the faces making the decisions.
revisionist history.... as the same could be said 4, 6 and 10 years ago etc.
don't act like there is anything new going on except the faces making the decisions.
We had a 26 year old dual threat, #2 overall, Heisman trophy winning, former NFL OROY as our QB? We had a young, 6'3" former Pro Bowl recover who led the NFL in yards? We had another young, 6'5" receiver with 4.3 speed?
We had a widely respected NFL coordinator with a non-losing NFL HC record as our HC?
Forgive me, I don't really remember us having that all together in one year.
If you think this group doesn't inspire more confidence than the likes of Brandon Weeden or Mohamed Massaquoi, then I don't know what to tell you.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
The way Nassib runs after the QB, he reminds me of Bobby Bouchet.
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Former #8 and #6 players overall could be cut though.
they played out their string though. A good GM with a clue would've already cut bait with those two. I'm guessin that is what we see in the final cuts.
they played out their string though. A good GM with a clue would've already cut bait with those two. I'm guessin that is what we see in the final cuts.
Problem with cutting first round picks before their rookie contracts are up means a relatively big cap hit. Mingo's hit is $5 million, Gilbert's hit is $3 million. For those that want Kruger gone it's $7.7 million. I'd say if he doesn't pick it up Gilbert is gone.
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revisionist history.... as the same could be said 4, 6 and 10 years ago etc.
don't act like there is anything new going on except the faces making the decisions.
We had a 26 year old dual threat, #2 overall, Heisman trophy winning, former NFL OROY as our QB? We had a young, 6'3" former Pro Bowl recover who led the NFL in yards? We had another young, 6'5" receiver with 4.3 speed?
We had a widely respected NFL coordinator with a non-losing NFL HC record as our HC?
Forgive me, I don't really remember us having that all together in one year.
If you think this group doesn't inspire more confidence than the likes of Brandon Weeden or Mohamed Massaquoi, then I don't know what to tell you.
We had a 26 year old dual threat, #2 overall, Heisman trophy winning, former NFL OROY as our QB? We had a young, 6'3" former Pro Bowl recover who led the NFL in yards? We had another young, 6'5" receiver with 4.3 speed?
We had a widely respected NFL coordinator with a non-losing NFL HC record as our HC?
Forgive me, I don't really remember us having that all together in one year.
If you think this group doesn't inspire more confidence than the likes of Brandon Weeden or Mohamed Massaquoi, then I don't know what to tell you.
Uh.....didn't we actually make it to the playoffs in the 90s? Have a RB make the cover of madden? Draft every sure thing since the beginning of time and ur telling me now, NOW things r looking up because we have someone that WAS good, someone that might be good and a new coaching staff and FO that can do the skiddelly scat better than the last?
HA they must see u walking up the street from a mile away, sucker.
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We had a 26 year old dual threat, #2 overall, Heisman trophy winning, former NFL OROY as our QB? We had a young, 6'3" former Pro Bowl recover who led the NFL in yards? We had another young, 6'5" receiver with 4.3 speed?
We had a widely respected NFL coordinator with a non-losing NFL HC record as our HC?
Forgive me, I don't really remember us having that all together in one year.
If you think this group doesn't inspire more confidence than the likes of Brandon Weeden or Mohamed Massaquoi, then I don't know what to tell you.
Uh.....didn't we actually make it to the playoffs in the 90s? Have a RB make the cover of madden? Draft every sure thing since the beginning of time and ur telling me now, NOW things r looking up because we have someone that WAS good, someone that might be good and a new coaching staff and FO that can do the skiddelly scat better than the last?
HA they must see u walking up the street from a mile away, sucker.
Uh.....didn't we actually make it to the playoffs in the 90s? Have a RB make the cover of madden? Draft every sure thing since the beginning of time and ur telling me now, NOW things r looking up because we have someone that WAS good, someone that might be good and a new coaching staff and FO that can do the skiddelly scat better than the last?
HA they must see u walking up the street from a mile away, sucker.
The 90's were neither 4, 6 nor 10 years ago.
What else did we have when Hillis was here? When had every sure thing we've drafted actually performed?
We have a QB and a WR who have PROVEN they can dominate at this level. When have we had that duo since the return?
The closest thing we've had to an NFL QB who proved it on the big stage was when we signed a 50 year old Jake Delhomme.
If you can't see the difference between the two, there's no hope for you. Then again...we already knew that.
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Uh.....didn't we actually make it to the playoffs in the 90s? Have a RB make the cover of madden? Draft every sure thing since the beginning of time and ur telling me now, NOW things r looking up because we have someone that WAS good, someone that might be good and a new coaching staff and FO that can do the skiddelly scat better than the last?
HA they must see u walking up the street from a mile away, sucker.
The 90's were neither 4, 6 nor 10 years ago.
What else did we have when Hillis was here? When had every sure thing we've drafted actually performed?
We have a QB and a WR who have PROVEN they can dominate at this level. When have we had that duo since the return?
The closest thing we've had to an NFL QB who proved it on the big stage was when we signed a 50 year old Jake Delhomme.
If you can't see the difference between the two, there's no hope for you. Then again...we already knew that.
The 90's were neither 4, 6 nor 10 years ago.
What else did we have when Hillis was here? When had every sure thing we've drafted actually performed?
We have a QB and a WR who have PROVEN they can dominate at this level. When have we had that duo since the return?
The closest thing we've had to an NFL QB who proved it on the big stage was when we signed a 50 year old Jake Delhomme.
If you can't see the difference between the two, there's no hope for you. Then again...we already knew that.
there is a difference, but let me know when it equals wins in the win column.
different stars (laughing)
different coaches (some)
different FO
the problem is in drafting. hell we all thought maasaquoi would eventually break through. same with mingo, gilbert and we all know the fiasco that was johnny football.
love people's optimism, but until something actually really changes, put me down as underwhelmed.
oh btw, i find it amazing that the only time you stick your head out of your cave is to either call someone old or to pound on your chest because something you championed looks good for the browns (a rookie DE in preseason). sure nassib looks good. given the rest of the bums playing that position he should be a starter game 2. but let's not forget all the bums you proclaimed great who are either in rehab or cashiering at the sack n suds. manziel wasn't it?
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The 90's were neither 4, 6 nor 10 years ago.
What else did we have when Hillis was here? When had every sure thing we've drafted actually performed?
We have a QB and a WR who have PROVEN they can dominate at this level. When have we had that duo since the return?
The closest thing we've had to an NFL QB who proved it on the big stage was when we signed a 50 year old Jake Delhomme.
If you can't see the difference between the two, there's no hope for you. Then again...we already knew that.
there is a difference, but let me know when it equals wins in the win column.
different stars (laughing)
different coaches (some)
different FO
the problem is in drafting. hell we all thought maasaquoi would eventually break through. same with mingo, gilbert and we all know the fiasco that was johnny football.
love people's optimism, but until something actually really changes, put me down as underwhelmed.
oh btw, i find it amazing that the only time you stick your head out of your cave is to either call someone old or to pound on your chest because something you championed looks good for the browns (a rookie DE in preseason). sure nassib looks good. given the rest of the bums playing that position he should be a starter game 2. but let's not forget all the bums you proclaimed great who are either in rehab or cashiering at the sack n suds. manziel wasn't it?
there is a difference, but let me know when it equals wins in the win column.
different stars (laughing)
different coaches (some)
different FO
the problem is in drafting. hell we all thought maasaquoi would eventually break through. same with mingo, gilbert and we all know the fiasco that was johnny football.
love people's optimism, but until something actually really changes, put me down as underwhelmed.
oh btw, i find it amazing that the only time you stick your head out of your cave is to either call someone old or to pound on your chest because something you championed looks good for the browns (a rookie DE in preseason). sure nassib looks good. given the rest of the bums playing that position he should be a starter game 2. but let's not forget all the bums you proclaimed great who are either in rehab or cashiering at the sack n suds. manziel wasn't it?
Something has changed ... The Cavs, the Indians ... Maybe Hue is the change the Browns need.
Two guys we have drafted look like the real deal for a change Coleman and Nassib ... That's a start. And I am only going by practice accounts on Coleman but everyone who has seen him live says he's electric. Refreshing change.
I'm going with the optimists this year. Nothing better in sports than being young and promising ... We could be that for a change.
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