Where to start.....
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I actually liked pettine near the end of the season last year and was hoping he would be kept but it was pretty evident that was impossible. Farmer is probably the worst GM in the History of the NFL and as far as i know is the only GM to be suspended. Farmer is the reason kyle left the way he did. Farmer tried and wanted so hard to be the coach and there was constant in fighting between the staff... Unfortunately Mud a reset NEEDED to be done there was no alternative. you don't want a coach that fights with his GM and you really don't want a GM that thinks he is the coach. it was not a healthy work environment. Pettine's biggest failing was his inability to CONTROL his team and bending to outside pressure(Farmer). Farmer's biggest problem was PRIDE "you play the players i give you" was his motto and it showed on the field. This being said the combination of the two was TOXIC to the franchise. That being said lets look at some positives of the new staff
Our running game has looked better this year than it did all of last year. We have ALOT more high motor type players. OUR WR's core is better built for the future and has a chance of being a plus for this team later in the year. Our offense looks more like an NFL offense this year. Our DL has some promise. We Hopefully have a front office and coaching staff that are working together rather than independently (We really wont know this until later in the season when the losses start piling up). Uptempo Practices and tackling drills are a plus I've noticed the newer players are better at following through on tackles than older players.
Lets look at some other things. Sashi is a lawyer and even though he "Says" he has personnel control we can all see it's not why he has the position. He's effectively a mediator for us which could work as it is not something that is common in the nfl front office structure. likely Hue on one side and Andrew Berry and Ken Kovash on the other. Sashi's job is to make sure every decision he makes or helps to make is in the best interest of the football team and follows the plan/strategy passed down from Paul DePodesta. Paul's job is our strategist. on the field and off the field from our athletic trainers to our play schemes and player acquisition. no one in the browns organization is higher than him except for the owner.
If Paul is the macromanagement of the browns. Hue is the Micromanagement he's got the biggest input on all things on the field and is pretty much the guy that says get me these "Type" of players to make my system work and then the office gets it done. Personally I like his offensive style and I like his coaching style our players look "Happy" to be on the field. Saying that he has made some decisions that are questionable. Signing RG3 is one but to be fair to him and the front office he was fairly cheap and is a low risk-high reward pickup he's likely not the future but he's pretty young and flashed that elite talent so there's a small chance 5% maybe?... Pep Hamilton was available to be a glorified QB Coach. Al Saunders and Hue have a pretty long history and Al is one of the Best Wideout coaches in the nfl and Ray Horton He has been bad his entire career he will likely always be bad and the ONLY reason he got this job was because of the Fritz Pollard Alliance. since Hue wanted to give Horton a chance based on that alone so be it but if our defense finishes top 30 and looks like this all season he should be fired as should Jackson. It was a Personal decision made not in the best interest of the browns but in the interest of a special interests group and the browns don't need that type of shit. Hopefully it just ends up as Horton getting released and not giving hue as much input on his replacement.
in the end i actually think that the coaching staff is designed to be MORE replaceable than in previous regimes. Few thoughts other than the great catch by barnidge and the 2 pushoffs 1 from pryor and 1 from gordan I've been completely unimpressed from griffin. he really struggles to make anything more than a first read or SOMETIMES he checks it down most of the time he holds it too long and takes the sack. His decision making is awful. mccown looked worse if that was possible. davis i've only seen like 5 minutes of and kessler has looked both like a complete rookie and the most competent in running the cleveland offense. it'll be fun to see how he develops. Nassib is my preseason mvp for sure. oh and mud you were totally right we should be in a 4-3 right now and its fucking STAGGERING that we RARELY play in it currentlyIf Paul is the micromanagement of the browns. Hue is the Micromanagement he's got the biggest input on all things on the field and is pretty much the guy that says get me these "Type" of players to make my system work and then the office gets it done.
Is one of those supposed to be a "Macro"??? Cause you know... two micros do not a macro make.
You guys bitch and bawl over stupid shit. Listen go ahead and stay negative because once we start winning some games you'll know I was right.
Just for the record... define "some".
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If Paul is the micromanagement of the browns. Hue is the Micromanagement he's got the biggest input on all things on the field and is pretty much the guy that says get me these "Type" of players to make my system work and then the office gets it done.
Is one of those supposed to be a "Macro"??? Cause you know... two micros do not a macro make.
You guys bitch and bawl over stupid shit. Listen go ahead and stay negative because once we start winning some games you'll know I was right.
Just for the record... define "some".
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Wow Mud, weren't you on my case last year when I started pointing out how putrid this team was?
I didn't think it possible, but this version is even worse.
Of course, when you let what little talent you had walk (C, RG, S, etc.), then it's to be expected.
Could only stomach a half last night (they actually showed it here), saw some shots where Hue looked Pissed, and like WTF was he doing here.
Yeah, Koolaids long gone . . . I think they're keeping for themselves this year, they're going to need it.
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It's simple Fluges.....it's not that I want to harp about Pettine all season....it's that I am CONTINUING to harp that the talent is bad....
And last season, I fought passionately about preventing another reset....and what I said is proving out....so I feel passionate about it.....
Im ranting because Ive been a lifelong Browns fans and HAVE ALWAYS HAD THEIR BACKS.....until now...
I have always given the new staff time and waited patiently....and when Farmer and Pettine came in WE ALL liked them, said they were doing great(like many are doing with Hue)...me YOU and a bunch of others PRAISED Farmers picks and BOTH drafts(generally)(like you are doing wiith Sashi)......
But....without predjudice....Ive not been impressed with the new staff.....and I chose to just shut my trap about.....actually left the board and didnt even discuss the draft, just because I had nothing nice to say....
Now....I waited a bit and watched....and Im saying what I see...and Im seeing what I feared I would.....and Im seeing my predictions from last fall(the purge PT IV) come to fruition right before my very eyes....
Why is it ok for people to say good, but I cant point to the bad....which is overwhelmingly obvious....why is it ok to say things like Rashrad Higgins was an amazing pick, but I cant point out I dont see it.....
Look....if there's obvious good stuff, id mention it....which I have....ala Dominque Alexander or Derrick Kindred standing out(but only due to no one else showing up)......Nassib had 2 easy sacks, but I gave him props.....was pretty excited at how JG showed up yesterday in mid season form.....Kirksey, Orchard, Crow and Dude have all had my praises this preseason(thanks Farmer).....
But....as painful as it is for you to hear.....there is nothing Ive said that isnt true....And Im not jumping in on this imaginary love train for Hue and Shashi, because they havent done anything to instill my confidence yet.....and have done a number of things that bother me deeply.....
it's not that I want to harp about Pettine all season....it's that I am CONTINUING to harp that the talent is bad....And last season, I fought passionately about preventing another reset....and what I said is proving out....so I feel passionate about it....Nobody wants ANOTHER reset. But THAT one absolutely, positively HAD to be done.
Pettine was a ghost. Never teaching anybody anything. (Did you see Hue explaining Andy Lee's job to him when Andy allowed the punt returner to waltz into the end zone - Andy's ass was forcing the NEXT punt returner out of bounds).
And was there a DUMBER play ever than kicking a 60+ yard field goal at Devon Hester, standing in the end zone? TWICE? Pettine HAD to go.
Farmer was a dope! Holding almost NO value for wide receivers....in a passing era. (definition of a dope in today's nfl). And then, of course, drafting Manziel after not going to the pro day of any of the QB's in the draft because he 'Didn't need to'.
And let's not even talk about text gate. Farmer didn't even understand his job.
....and the two of them could not work together.
You cannot have consistency just for the sake of it. You've got to have at least SOME of the correct people in place.
This reset, more than any other, HAD to happen.
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Wow Mud, weren't you on my case last year when I started pointing out how putrid this team was?
I didn't think it possible, but this version is even worse.
Of course, when you let what little talent you had walk (C, RG, S, etc.), then it's to be expected.
Could only stomach a half last night (they actually showed it here), saw some shots where Hue looked Pissed, and like WTF was he doing here.
Yeah, Koolaids long gone . . . I think they're keeping for themselves this year, they're going to need it.
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I think for one it's absolutely pathetic that Jimmy thinks he can pay as little as possible and get superbowl quality talent. We did have the #2 pick and we utterly fucked it up. We traded down to 15 and took coleman, but honestly do you think he's an AJ green or Beckham? He might pan out to be a legit WR2, but christ, what about our Oline..... Meanwhile indy snags ryan kelly, and we have cam erving. Not saying Cam can't turn into a great player eventually, but our QB will get killed this season. Let's give Hue 7 years, at that point do you think we'll have a superbowl quality team? Jimmy wants to pay as little as possible and make as much money as possible. It's good to be optimistic about Hue, but he's proved JACK shit to us so far, so lets not put all of our blind faith in him. And what about our quality of players compared to lets say the Seahawks two years ago.... They're in a different fucking world. We're like Grambling State vs. an NFL team if we played them with what we have. Especially without Gordon, our shitty Oline, and Horton back.
I'm going to hope for the best but expect the worst.
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More than 3
Vegas has the over/under for the season at 4.5 so I guess that "more than 3" makes you just another negative Nancy. HA!!
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I'm surprised no one has said anything about how poor our punt coverage was, truly atrocious. It's like the left side needed no containment because maybe they will just run to our right for us. Amazing.
This team reminds me of what Tampa Bay looked like its first seasons as a franchise. You know the one McKay talked about:
"You do a lot of praying, but most of the time the answer is 'no.'" -- on why coaching an expansion team is a religious experience
Funny you mentioned that, when I saw it live I just thought oh yeah high school football starts this week because that's how bad it looked.I'm surprised no one has said anything about how poor our punt coverage was, truly atrocious. It's like the left side needed no containment because maybe they will just run to our right for us. Amazing.
This team reminds me of what Tampa Bay looked like its first seasons as a franchise. You know the one McKay talked about:
"You do a lot of praying, but most of the time the answer is 'no.'" -- on why coaching an expansion team is a religious experience
Hey young team, maybe they'll come around by week ____ . (pick a number)
Oh didn't McKay say when asked about his team's execution that he was in favor of it?
And the old Tampa Bay team is why we have better new team pool rules now.
GO BROWNS, we still love ya'.
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Whatever. Lol! Trying to remain positive and I will. Can't believe you pussys get babyfied over a preseason game. JeezVegas has the over/under for the season at 4.5 so I guess that "more than 3" makes you just another negative Nancy. HA!!
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Whatever. Lol! Trying to remain positive and I will. Can't believe you pussys get babyfied over a preseason game. JeezVegas has the over/under for the season at 4.5 so I guess that "more than 3" makes you just another negative Nancy. HA!!
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Whatever. Lol! Trying to remain positive and I will. Can't believe you pussys get babyfied over a preseason game. Jeez
Actually in the FWIW catagory they've lost 3 of 3 and in one they were slight favorites. Reason for some concern? We'll see soon enough.
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Whatever. Lol! Trying to remain positive and I will. Can't believe you pussys get babyfied over a preseason game. Jeez
Actually in the FWIW catagory they've lost 3 of 3 and in one they were slight favorites. Reason for some concern? We'll see soon enough.
I'm totally aware of you guys knowing more than I. But however it's only the preseason is my point. Plenty of teams have issues to iron out besides us.Actually in the FWIW catagory they've lost 3 of 3 and in one they were slight favorites. Reason for some concern? We'll see soon enough.
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I'm totally aware of you guys knowing more than I. But however it's only the preseason is my point. Plenty of teams have issues to iron out besides us.
Actually everyone who watches any game is entitled to their own ideas on how their team looks.
I like many of you have been watching the Browns and the NFL for a long time now and hope some good stuff comes from one of these draft classes, a few diamonds in the rough maybe? Anything?
Another thing they do play preseason slightly different than many years ago, good luck you (we) fantasy league guys. One more play nobody week then it's for real.
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Funny you mentioned that, when I saw it live I just thought oh yeah high school football starts this week because that's how bad it looked.I'm surprised no one has said anything about how poor our punt coverage was, truly atrocious. It's like the left side needed no containment because maybe they will just run to our right for us. Amazing.
This team reminds me of what Tampa Bay looked like its first seasons as a franchise. You know the one McKay talked about:
"You do a lot of praying, but most of the time the answer is 'no.'" -- on why coaching an expansion team is a religious experience
Hey young team, maybe they'll come around by week ____ . (pick a number)
Oh didn't McKay say when asked about his team's execution that he was in favor of it?
And the old Tampa Bay team is why we have better new team pool rules now.
GO BROWNS, we still love ya'.
Funny you mentioned that, when I saw it live I just thought oh yeah high school football starts this week because that's how bad it looked.
Hey young team, maybe they'll come around by week ____ . (pick a number)
Oh didn't McKay say when asked about his team's execution that he was in favor of it?
And the old Tampa Bay team is why we have better new team pool rules now.
GO BROWNS, we still love ya'.
Funny you mentioned high school ball as I contemplated going to a HS game but instead talked myself into watching this shitshow we call the browns. Missed a really good game with that bad decision.
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Funny you mentioned that, when I saw it live I just thought oh yeah high school football starts this week because that's how bad it looked.
Hey young team, maybe they'll come around by week ____ . (pick a number)
Oh didn't McKay say when asked about his team's execution that he was in favor of it?
And the old Tampa Bay team is why we have better new team pool rules now.
GO BROWNS, we still love ya'.
Funny you mentioned high school ball as I contemplated going to a HS game but instead talked myself into watching this shitshow we call the browns. Missed a really good game with that bad decision.
Funny you mentioned high school ball as I contemplated going to a HS game but instead talked myself into watching this shitshow we call the browns. Missed a really good game with that bad decision.
Yeah my old high school team had a televised game vs an old rival....I chose the BROWNS and TRIBE, well the TRIBE won 12-1. (Two TVs, yeah I'm a sick bastard.)
And the high school game was Postponed after one quarter and finished the next day. So you win some and lose some.
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Well the Titans play the Raiders at 8pm est tonight on CBS regular tv, so we have a chance to see what two other bad teams of 2-3 years ago have been up to to change their fortunes. Should be quite educational to our FO if any Havaad grads there had a lick o' sense.
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Mud right on the money. I love stockpiling draft picks to take Corey Coleman 15th. None of the WRs drafted look very good, for goodness sake Pryor is being touted as #2 after Gordon. The whole organization stinks but the seats will be filled and the jerseys will be purchased, rinse and repeat. I wish the NFL would just take the franchise over an appoint someone to run it like the NBA has done with the 76ers.
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Well the Titans play the Raiders at 8pm est tonight on CBS regular tv, so we have a chance to see what two other bad teams of 2-3 years ago have been up to to change their fortunes. Should be quite educational to our FO if any Havaad grads there had a lick o' sense.
Well the Titans play the Raiders at 8pm est tonight on CBS regular tv, so we have a chance to see what two other bad teams of 2-3 years ago have been up to to change their fortunes. Should be quite educational to our FO if any Havaad grads there had a lick o' sense.
Raiders 8-8 this year
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All Pettine and Oneil's fault. Give Hue at least until he is 12-36 to realize Lombardi couldn't win without talent in today's NFL.
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