Draft Talk
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Winston is a pocket passer,rodgers is a pocket passer. Mariota is still pretty new and cam is what 6'6" 260? You go find me the mobile qb thats that size and maybe i'll make an exception lol
Watson and Kizer are both "pocket passers" in the same mold, then.Winston is a pocket passer,rodgers is a pocket passer. Mariota is still pretty new and cam is what 6'6" 260? You go find me the mobile qb thats that size and maybe i'll make an exception lol
Just because you can run doesn't mean you're a dual threat QB.
Kizer is around 6'5" 235. He's a Ben/Bortles/Wentz who stays in the pocket and takes a beating, but has the ability to extend plays with his feet if need be.
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I yawn over Deshaun.
It would be wiser to pick Kizer.
But if it was me, I'd take action to pick Jackson.....in 2018.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2662059-2017-nfl-draft-draft-radar-heading-into-nfl-week-2/page/4
I yawn over Deshaun.
It would be wiser to pick Kizer.
But if it was me, I'd take action to pick Jackson.....in 2018.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2662059-2017-nfl-draft-draft-radar-heading-into-nfl-week-2/page/4
Cal, watch more of Jackson. He is a running back that plays QB.
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He brought a hot tub into his dorm room his freshman year and apparently he's quite the asshole.
Guys who grow up thinking the rules don't apply to them very rarely become franchise QB's. But, by all means, if you guys wanna go that route again...
Thought you meant his play on the field.
Also, we don't know what some of the old fart QBs in the league were like in college. There was no Twitter, Instagram, and generally a lower number of attention whore groupies. The three best QBs in the league are dating/married to famous people or have been accused of rape. Jameis was also accused of rape, and theft. Carr is a partier. Cam got kicked off a college team.
Thought you meant his play on the field.
Also, we don't know what some of the old fart QBs in the league were like in college. There was no Twitter, Instagram, and generally a lower number of attention whore groupies. The three best QBs in the league are dating/married to famous people or have been accused of rape. Jameis was also accused of rape, and theft. Carr is a partier. Cam got kicked off a college team.
Sure, everyone makes mistakes and every big time QB grows up with some sort of preferential treatment that adversely affects their judgment.
The only difference is that Cam, Jameis, Ben, etc. got in trouble, then kept a low profile outside of football and that was the end of it. Manziel did the opposite. Rosen seems like more of the latter than the former.
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He's been a true freshman. Fair to say the jury is still out. Don't get me wrong, he's a complete douche, and I still have some overflow hate for him. I just don't think it's relevant yet.
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Watson and Kizer are both "pocket passers" in the same mold, then.Winston is a pocket passer,rodgers is a pocket passer. Mariota is still pretty new and cam is what 6'6" 260? You go find me the mobile qb thats that size and maybe i'll make an exception lol
Just because you can run doesn't mean you're a dual threat QB.
Kizer is around 6'5" 235. He's a Ben/Bortles/Wentz who stays in the pocket and takes a beating, but has the ability to extend plays with his feet if need be.
Watson and Kizer are both "pocket passers" in the same mold, then.
Just because you can run doesn't mean you're a dual threat QB.
Kizer is around 6'5" 235. He's a Ben/Bortles/Wentz who stays in the pocket and takes a beating, but has the ability to extend plays with his feet if need be.
they are both listed as a top duel threat QB in college right now... using your same logic just because you can throw doesn't mean your a pocket passer
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Who are the top 5 pro style QB's coming out this year? Pure passers no more duel threats been doing that for 4 years now lets get back to real pro football for a change
Who are the top 5 pro style QB's coming out this year? Pure passers no more duel threats been doing that for 4 years now lets get back to real pro football for a change
For pass rusher, isn't Myles Garrett from A&M supposed to be the shit? And pure passers? Not sure there is such a thing in college these days.
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Who are the top 5 pro style QB's coming out this year? Pure passers no more duel threats been doing that for 4 years now lets get back to real pro football for a change
For pass rusher, isn't Myles Garrett from A&M supposed to be the shit? And pure passers? Not sure there is such a thing in college these days.
For pass rusher, isn't Myles Garrett from A&M supposed to be the shit? And pure passers? Not sure there is such a thing in college these days.
Garrett is indeed supposed to be this shit.
And no, pure passers probably not going to come around so frequently at the top. Duel threat guys that can take advantage of space created by spread offenses will get the gaudy numbers while the Mannings and Bradys sit on the sidelines. Doesn't mean they don't exist, just means that they'll need a lot of coaching in the big leagues before they can play.
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Watson and Kizer are both "pocket passers" in the same mold, then.Winston is a pocket passer,rodgers is a pocket passer. Mariota is still pretty new and cam is what 6'6" 260? You go find me the mobile qb thats that size and maybe i'll make an exception lol
Just because you can run doesn't mean you're a dual threat QB.
Kizer is around 6'5" 235. He's a Ben/Bortles/Wentz who stays in the pocket and takes a beating, but has the ability to extend plays with his feet if need be.
Watson and Kizer are both "pocket passers" in the same mold, then.
Just because you can run doesn't mean you're a dual threat QB.
Kizer is around 6'5" 235. He's a Ben/Bortles/Wentz who stays in the pocket and takes a beating, but has the ability to extend plays with his feet if need be.
Do we want another Notre Dame QB? The last one we drafted was a disaster. (but then, Joe Montana went to ND)
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Ah... clearly we must draft a QB from a college who has never produced an NFL bust...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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The one that taught you to never question the implications of your own posts..
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
The one that taught you to never question the implications of your own posts..
The one that taught you to never question the implications of your own posts..
Can't Understand No Things University? Abbreviated?
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Watson and Kizer are both "pocket passers" in the same mold, then.
Just because you can run doesn't mean you're a dual threat QB.
Kizer is around 6'5" 235. He's a Ben/Bortles/Wentz who stays in the pocket and takes a beating, but has the ability to extend plays with his feet if need be.
they are both listed as a top duel threat QB in college right now... using your same logic just because you can throw doesn't mean your a pocket passer
they are both listed as a top duel threat QB in college right now... using your same logic just because you can throw doesn't mean your a pocket passer
And Russell Wilson was listed as a 3rd round pick. What does it matter what they are listed as? Are you not watching them play?
It just depends on where you choose to throw from and how you choose to utilize your talent. Personally, I'd say a guy who threw for 5 TD's in his first game isn't really considered a run-first kind of guy. Nor would I say a guy who currently is completing over 70% of his passes and has an 11 YPA is really a dink-and-dunk non-pocket passer.
Or maybe just take a read from the Zierlien's writeup on NFL.com, where his pro comparison is Steve McNair.
What really stands out to me is the mental makeup and toughness of Kizer in comparison to McNair. McNair was extremely difficult to rattle and Kizer appears to operate with that same confidence and calm. While McNair could beat teams with his legs, he looked to win from the pocket and I believe Kizer has that same trait.
As for Watson, he is more of a dual-threat guy, but he clearly possesses the ability to stand in the pocket and deliver throws to any part of the field. He stares down his receivers a little more, but I'd venture a guess that Watson/Kizer probably have pocket attempt percentages closer to that of Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson than they do of RG3 or Johnny Manziel.
Is Jameis Winston a running QB? What about Andrew Luck? Those guys can run, but they choose to operate from the pocket. Tuning out a guy solely because he can run is a pretty narrow minded view. But if you want to waste a pick on Brad Kaaya because some list somewhere has him as the top rated pocket passer, by all means.
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2016 cutdowns are already being posted.
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/?draft_class=2017&position=QB
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2016 cutdowns are already being posted.
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/?draft_class=2017&position=QB
2016 cutdowns are already being posted.
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/?draft_class=2017&position=QB
Saturday we get to see two of the nations best edge rushers together in Auburn's Lawson and A&M's Garrett. 7pm est on ESPN.
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Chad Kelly, Jim's nephew that played high school ball in Orchard Park (Buffalo), NY, has played a pretty good game vrs Alabama today outside of 1 mental breakdown where he coughed up the football for an Alabama TD. He's already beaten a National Champion Bama team in 2015 for anyone wondering what he's capable of against a well coached talented roster.
I remembered Tour bringing him up as an intriguing QB prospect last year to a pretty tough crowd of critics. I kind of liked the idea to be honest.
Anyone think he's somebody that might be able to help us?
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Chad Kelly, Jim's nephew that played high school ball in Orchard Park (Buffalo), NY, has played a pretty good game vrs Alabama today outside of 1 mental breakdown where he coughed up the football for an Alabama TD. He's already beaten a National Champion Bama team in 2015 for anyone wondering what he's capable of against a well coached talented roster.
I remembered Tour bringing him up as an intriguing QB prospect last year to a pretty tough crowd of critics. I kind of liked the idea to be honest.
Anyone think he's somebody that might be able to help us?
Chad Kelly, Jim's nephew that played high school ball in Orchard Park (Buffalo), NY, has played a pretty good game vrs Alabama today outside of 1 mental breakdown where he coughed up the football for an Alabama TD. He's already beaten a National Champion Bama team in 2015 for anyone wondering what he's capable of against a well coached talented roster.
I remembered Tour bringing him up as an intriguing QB prospect last year to a pretty tough crowd of critics. I kind of liked the idea to be honest.
Anyone think he's somebody that might be able to help us?
Watching the end of the game now... I forget in what game he caught my eye last year.
Chad is a roller coaster ride... that is for sure. That deep ball to the near sideline on their next to last TD drive was as pretty as can be. Other things, including putting his body at risk, are less desirable. The arm is there. The head???
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Chad Kelly, Jim's nephew that played high school ball in Orchard Park (Buffalo), NY, has played a pretty good game vrs Alabama today outside of 1 mental breakdown where he coughed up the football for an Alabama TD. He's already beaten a National Champion Bama team in 2015 for anyone wondering what he's capable of against a well coached talented roster.
I remembered Tour bringing him up as an intriguing QB prospect last year to a pretty tough crowd of critics. I kind of liked the idea to be honest.
Anyone think he's somebody that might be able to help us?
Watching the end of the game now... I forget in what game he caught my eye last year.
Chad is a roller coaster ride... that is for sure. That deep ball to the near sideline on their next to last TD drive was as pretty as can be. Other things, including putting his body at risk, are less desirable. The arm is there. The head???
Chad is a roller coaster ride... that is for sure. Other things, including putting his body at risk, are less desirable. The arm is there. The head???
That's my whole problem with Kelly..Holding the ball to long & the head, thinking he can risk his body to NFL defenses?..Bama's D was a good test today for Chad. Gota see Round 2.
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Todd McShay calling A&M @ Auburn was saying he did not have a QB in his top 10 for the draft at this point, but that he was definitely moving Garrett higher up from his current #4 spot on his list. He referred to him several times as the best college football player in America. Understandable given 3 sacks, multiple hits as the ball left the QB's hand and much improved on run defense from a year ago. He indicated that the defense had to account for him on every play. Never took a down off while on the field.
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