Draft Talk
-
made the number 10 defense in the nation look like bowling green all game they were talking about how Mitch was a better pro prospect than the "Deshauns" and Kaaya. his comparison was a Much Much more athletic Kirk Cousins but hey thats what the announcers were saying
-
Deshone Kizer just got benched for performance reasons
not a good game to do that especially with the browns scouts watching.Alright so because qb seems to be the focus. the stats for the top 6?
Luke Falk 28/48 261 0 TD 1 INT 47.2 rat
7 rush for -1
D. Watson 39/52 378 2 TD 1 INT 80.6 rat
13 rush for 38 yds and 1 TD
C. Kelly 18/39 253 1 TD 1 INT 52.5 rat
14 rush for 89 yds and 2 TD
B. Kaaya 16/31 224 0 TD 0 INT 27.9 rat
2 rush for -17
M. Trubisky 33/46 299 2 TD 0 INT 75.0 rat
13 rush for 47 yds
D. Kizer 14/26 154 0 TD 2 INT 43.7 rat
11 rush for 83 yds and 1 TD
1.Watson
2.Mitch
3.Kelly
4.Falk
5.Kaaya
6.Kizer
Btw Kaaya lacks in a lot of attributes but he has a great play action motion
-
I like Trubisky next year and Hornibrook the year after. Those are attributes I could work with.
-
Deshone Kizer just got benched for performance reasons
not a good game to do that especially with the browns scouts watching.Alright so because qb seems to be the focus. the stats for the top 6?
Luke Falk 28/48 261 0 TD 1 INT 47.2 rat
7 rush for -1
D. Watson 39/52 378 2 TD 1 INT 80.6 rat
13 rush for 38 yds and 1 TD
C. Kelly 18/39 253 1 TD 1 INT 52.5 rat
14 rush for 89 yds and 2 TD
B. Kaaya 16/31 224 0 TD 0 INT 27.9 rat
2 rush for -17
M. Trubisky 33/46 299 2 TD 0 INT 75.0 rat
13 rush for 47 yds
D. Kizer 14/26 154 0 TD 2 INT 43.7 rat
11 rush for 83 yds and 1 TD
1.Watson
2.Mitch
3.Kelly
4.Falk
5.Kaaya
6.Kizer
Btw Kaaya lacks in a lot of attributes but he has a great play action motion
Deshone Kizer just got benched for performance reasons
not a good game to do that especially with the browns scouts watching.Alright so because qb seems to be the focus. the stats for the top 6? Throwing falk in even though i only have 1 half
Luke Falk 17/29 137 0 TD 1 INT 56.25 rat
1 rush for -5
D. Watson 39/52 378 2 TD 1 INT 80.6 rat
13 rush for 38 yds and 1 TD
C. Kelly 18/39 253 1 TD 1 INT 52.5 rat
14 rush for 89 yds and 2 TD
B. Kaaya 16/31 224 0 TD 0 INT 27.9 rat
2 rush for -17
M. Trubisky 33/46 299 2 TD 0 INT 75.0 rat
13 rush for 47 yds
D. Kizer 14/26 154 0 TD 2 INT 43.7 rat
11 rush for 83 yds and 1 TD
1.Watson
2.Mitch
3.Kelly
4.Kaaya
5.Kizer
Falk incomplete i'm expecting him to do better than kaaya but not as good as Kelly. Btw Kaaya lacks in a lot of attributes but he has a great play action motion
Just more evidence to me that doing the usual jump up for an overrated QB would be so Brownsian with such a wealth of defensive talent in this draft class. I'm telling ya we got to load up this year with D or we will never be able to keep the performance pressure off a new QB. This class is so strong with edge rushers, safeties and interior DL. Just take 'em!
-
Deshone Kizer just got benched for performance reasons
not a good game to do that especially with the browns scouts watching.Alright so because qb seems to be the focus. the stats for the top 6? Throwing falk in even though i only have 1 half
Luke Falk 17/29 137 0 TD 1 INT 56.25 rat
1 rush for -5
D. Watson 39/52 378 2 TD 1 INT 80.6 rat
13 rush for 38 yds and 1 TD
C. Kelly 18/39 253 1 TD 1 INT 52.5 rat
14 rush for 89 yds and 2 TD
B. Kaaya 16/31 224 0 TD 0 INT 27.9 rat
2 rush for -17
M. Trubisky 33/46 299 2 TD 0 INT 75.0 rat
13 rush for 47 yds
D. Kizer 14/26 154 0 TD 2 INT 43.7 rat
11 rush for 83 yds and 1 TD
1.Watson
2.Mitch
3.Kelly
4.Kaaya
5.Kizer
Falk incomplete i'm expecting him to do better than kaaya but not as good as Kelly. Btw Kaaya lacks in a lot of attributes but he has a great play action motion
Just more evidence to me that doing the usual jump up for an overrated QB would be so Brownsian with such a wealth of defensive talent in this draft class. I'm telling ya we got to load up this year with D or we will never be able to keep the performance pressure off a new QB. This class is so strong with edge rushers, safeties and interior DL. Just take 'em!
Just more evidence to me that doing the usual jump up for an overrated QB would be so Brownsian with such a wealth of defensive talent in this draft class. I'm telling ya we got to load up this year with D or we will never be able to keep the performance pressure off a new QB. This class is so strong with edge rushers, safeties and interior DL. Just take 'em!
Evidence tells me you can do both.
That you don't have to "jump" to grab a QB prospect.
That if there is true "depth" on the D-side, there will be quality D players available through the first two days of the draft.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well if trubisky can keep this play up throughout the rest of the season we may end up taking him 1a and going CB on 1b followed by C on 2a which would be acceptable if he even declares but it ahould be noted that at mitch's current pace he will end this year with more passing attempts than wentz had
-
Deshone Kizer just got benched for performance reasons
not a good game to do that especially with the browns scouts watching.Alright so because qb seems to be the focus. the stats for the top 6? Throwing falk in even though i only have 1 half
Luke Falk 17/29 137 0 TD 1 INT 56.25 rat
1 rush for -5
D. Watson 39/52 378 2 TD 1 INT 80.6 rat
13 rush for 38 yds and 1 TD
C. Kelly 18/39 253 1 TD 1 INT 52.5 rat
14 rush for 89 yds and 2 TD
B. Kaaya 16/31 224 0 TD 0 INT 27.9 rat
2 rush for -17
M. Trubisky 33/46 299 2 TD 0 INT 75.0 rat
13 rush for 47 yds
D. Kizer 14/26 154 0 TD 2 INT 43.7 rat
11 rush for 83 yds and 1 TD
1.Watson
2.Mitch
3.Kelly
4.Kaaya
5.Kizer
Falk incomplete i'm expecting him to do better than kaaya but not as good as Kelly. Btw Kaaya lacks in a lot of attributes but he has a great play action motion
Just more evidence to me that doing the usual jump up for an overrated QB would be so Brownsian with such a wealth of defensive talent in this draft class. I'm telling ya we got to load up this year with D or we will never be able to keep the performance pressure off a new QB. This class is so strong with edge rushers, safeties and interior DL. Just take 'em!
Just more evidence to me that doing the usual jump up for an overrated QB would be so Brownsian with such a wealth of defensive talent in this draft class. I'm telling ya we got to load up this year with D or we will never be able to keep the performance pressure off a new QB. This class is so strong with edge rushers, safeties and interior DL. Just take 'em!
I agree completely. Go with Kessler for another season unless he totally shits the bed the rest of the way but he's look decent enough in what we've seen so far this year that you could go with him and build a defense. Follow the Vikings plan. The offense is an afterthought and they're 5-0
-
Just more evidence to me that doing the usual jump up for an overrated QB would be so Brownsian with such a wealth of defensive talent in this draft class. I'm telling ya we got to load up this year with D or we will never be able to keep the performance pressure off a new QB. This class is so strong with edge rushers, safeties and interior DL. Just take 'em!
Evidence tells me you can do both.
That you don't have to "jump" to grab a QB prospect.
That if there is true "depth" on the D-side, there will be quality D players available through the first two days of the draft.
Evidence tells me you can do both.
That you don't have to "jump" to grab a QB prospect.
That if there is true "depth" on the D-side, there will be quality D players available through the first two days of the draft.
There was a lot of DL talent available last year. Andrew Billings was quite often mocked in the first round but went in the fourth, for example.
-
Just more evidence to me that doing the usual jump up for an overrated QB would be so Brownsian with such a wealth of defensive talent in this draft class. I'm telling ya we got to load up this year with D or we will never be able to keep the performance pressure off a new QB. This class is so strong with edge rushers, safeties and interior DL. Just take 'em!
Evidence tells me you can do both.
That you don't have to "jump" to grab a QB prospect.
That if there is true "depth" on the D-side, there will be quality D players available through the first two days of the draft.
Evidence tells me you can do both.
That you don't have to "jump" to grab a QB prospect.
That if there is true "depth" on the D-side, there will be quality D players available through the first two days of the draft.
I'll be even more specific.
I think we can get two great edge rushers as our top two choices this year. O's are then in a quandary on which one to team up on. This team could produce a far better turnover ratio and TOP ratio that I think can be the tipping point. D's like that generate the best in our own O who always would believe they will get another shot with the ball. It's contagious and produces a lot of wins. Plus those edge rushers make the DB's look so much better with less time to have to cover receivers. Getting a safety as #3 would be icing on he cake and this year is loaded with quality safeties. Just isn't as glamorous as looking for Mr. QB, who at the moment I see as an illusion in this draft class, not a reality.
-
Evidence tells me you can do both.
That you don't have to "jump" to grab a QB prospect.
That if there is true "depth" on the D-side, there will be quality D players available through the first two days of the draft.
I'll be even more specific.
I think we can get two great edge rushers as our top two choices this year. O's are then in a quandary on which one to team up on. This team could produce a far better turnover ratio and TOP ratio that I think can be the tipping point. D's like that generate the best in our own O who always would believe they will get another shot with the ball. It's contagious and produces a lot of wins. Plus those edge rushers make the DB's look so much better with less time to have to cover receivers. Getting a safety as #3 would be icing on he cake and this year is loaded with quality safeties. Just isn't as glamorous as looking for Mr. QB, who at the moment I see as an illusion in this draft class, not a reality.
I'll be even more specific.
I think we can get two great edge rushers as our top two choices this year.
Interior pressure is quickly becoming every bit as important in the NFL. I have my eye on Allen from Bama. Kid can play multiple spots across the front and really brings it when he's matched up one on one inside.
-
If Nassib continues to look good, and consistency comes with it, and Shelton can play at even close to the level of yesterday's game every week, then we're looking at one top DE for a potentially very disruptive DL. Even so, with Jamie Meder, Cooper and others all capable of playing that spot effectively (if not brilliantly), it's not a glaring hole, unlike others.
Nate Orchard, he of the 18.5 sacks in a college year, hasn't produced anything close to the level we were hoping for when drafting him. Ogbah looks similar unfortunately, though obviously he's a year behind so give him time. Either way, we're absolutely due for a big time edge rusher. We have Joe Schobert as a *starter* - who saw that in May when there was talk of converting him to ILB? When we still had Mingo, Kruger & Orchard above him on the depth chart. Not that he's done any worse than the others, for sure.
But for me, just as important as an edge rusher is some competent DB play. From anywhere, to be honest. A fit Joe Haden is a quality CB1, but it's clear Tramon Williams' best days were behind him before he even came to Cleveland. Jamar Taylor isn't horrible, but better suited to the slot, where he performed well enough to get a shot outside. And a free safety would be lovely. Campbell and Kindred look solid box safeties, but both seem to get exposed in coverage.
So, Edge, CB, FS, DE for me. Oh, and, maybe some O players too. Good job we have a lot of picks...
-
Just saw a recent mock with the browns taking Myles Garrett 1st pick and Mitch Trubisky with our second 1st
-
Well hopefully we'll know by year end if we're looking at an early QB. Knowing us though, Kessler will play well for another game, throw in a few stinkers, get injured and sent to IR, we'll finish the season with Josh McCown and maybe Hogan, and be left to choose between the about to retire guy, the flashes-of-competence rookie, the untested rookie, and rolling the dice.
-
Hue/Sashi deserve credit for recognizing Dansby's terrible play last season - he's been dreadful for Cincy, and won't make a roster next season.
Both of Brady's non-Gronk scores yesterday were to the RB who beat Dansby downfield.
We still need to draft a early-round ILB but not playing Dansby is a positive
-
Evidence tells me you can do both.
That you don't have to "jump" to grab a QB prospect.
That if there is true "depth" on the D-side, there will be quality D players available through the first two days of the draft.
I'll be even more specific.
I think we can get two great edge rushers as our top two choices this year. O's are then in a quandary on which one to team up on. This team could produce a far better turnover ratio and TOP ratio that I think can be the tipping point. D's like that generate the best in our own O who always would believe they will get another shot with the ball. It's contagious and produces a lot of wins. Plus those edge rushers make the DB's look so much better with less time to have to cover receivers. Getting a safety as #3 would be icing on he cake and this year is loaded with quality safeties. Just isn't as glamorous as looking for Mr. QB, who at the moment I see as an illusion in this draft class, not a reality.
I'll be even more specific.
I think we can get two great edge rushers as our top two choices this year. O's are then in a quandary on which one to team up on. This team could produce a far better turnover ratio and TOP ratio that I think can be the tipping point. D's like that generate the best in our own O who always would believe they will get another shot with the ball. It's contagious and produces a lot of wins. Plus those edge rushers make the DB's look so much better with less time to have to cover receivers. Getting a safety as #3 would be icing on he cake and this year is loaded with quality safeties. Just isn't as glamorous as looking for Mr. QB, who at the moment I see as an illusion in this draft class, not a reality.
Thanks, but there really was no need...
What you, and others here, are doing is creating a pure, needs-based draft based upon your positional perceptions of both importance and incumbent performance. That's half the prep work.
The other half is creating a player board by grading an entire draft class... something none of us do, although some come closer than others.
Once both of the above are done, then, and only then, is a position created to marry the two parts into a draft plan.
You can do the above at any time as long as the awareness is there that the product is preliminary and subject to revision. As of now for example Garrett for example may well be the clear BPA for the entire draft as of now so I can accept him as your first pick. But to say our second 1st rounder also goes to an edge player, an as yet unnamed edge player, is a bridge too far... for me anyway. And I say that recognizing that we are philosophically aligned in our approach to building a D from front to back.
I feel fairly safe in saying that somewhere in this process a QB will emerge as a Day 1 or 2 pick for us. Who and when? I really have no idea at this time. I have a lot of work to do including keeping check on another bias of mine: that it is harder to add a quality QB later as your record improves and your draft position falls.
-
Fair enough Tour-the second edge rusher I have in mind at the moment is falling in most mock drafts somewhere near where we may actually pick. That would be Tenn's Derek Barnett. I'd also be happy if Bama's Tim Williams was sitting there for the taking. But if a super safety or CB had somehow been left on the board as BPA it would be difficult to pass him up. But it is all speculation since we don't know two important things just yet, is Kessler going to pan out over the course of a season and will a real bona fide franchise QB step forward for the draft? At the moment I am leaning towards Kessler proving out to be the man and I see no clear alternative anyway in this class (also at the moment). Without a doubt a healthy Garrett is well above just about anyone as BPA and also happens to be our greatest need on defense, so that for me is a foregone conclusion if he is there when we make the pick.
But my biggest fear with this FO is that we once again trade quantity for quality and leave a Garrett or a real Qb for someone else to laugh at us with next year. It really galls me that we were too damn incompetent not to see an available Prescott when we took Kessler. That guy has put Romo out of a job. And what galls me most is that an amateur like me could call it before the fact when pros who do it for a living just went totally blind. And just about every football program out there has laughed at the Browns over this whiff.
OK-off the soapbox now.
-
Fair enough Tour-the second edge rusher I have in mind at the moment is falling in most mock drafts somewhere near where we may actually pick. That would be Tenn's Derek Barnett. I'd also be happy if Bama's Tim Williams was sitting there for the taking. But if a super safety or CB had somehow been left on the board as BPA it would be difficult to pass him up. But it is all speculation since we don't know two important things just yet, is Kessler going to pan out over the course of a season and will a real bona fide franchise QB step forward for the draft? At the moment I am leaning towards Kessler proving out to be the man and I see no clear alternative anyway in this class (also at the moment). Without a doubt a healthy Garrett is well above just about anyone as BPA and also happens to be our greatest need on defense, so that for me is a foregone conclusion if he is there when we make the pick.
But my biggest fear with this FO is that we once again trade quantity for quality and leave a Garrett or a real Qb for someone else to laugh at us with next year. It really galls me that we were too damn incompetent not to see an available Prescott when we took Kessler. That guy has put Romo out of a job. And what galls me most is that an amateur like me could call it before the fact when pros who do it for a living just went totally blind. And just about every football program out there has laughed at the Browns over this whiff.
OK-off the soapbox now.
Tenn's Derek Barnett... Bama's Tim Williams... Garrett...
*sniff* *sniff* I seem to detect a distinct SEC odor to your big board...
-
You don't need SEC bias to have Garrett, Williams, Barnett as the top 3 EDGE on your big board, my man.
-
i hear defense and i agree but if there is the next joe thomas or kevin mack in the draft that'll give us 12 years.............
draft the fuck out of 'em!
-
Garrett
Lewis
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login