Draft Talk
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Why would we take a RB in the 1st round when the running game has been the only bright spot on this team despite the awful O line...?? pass rusher, qb, ol....those are the positions that "must" be addressed in the first 2-3 rounds. Unless we do something in free agency with the OL
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That's some pipe dreams there G. I like it but its pretty unlikely lol
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No thanks. Would love to see it, but given the needs on this team, RB isn't one.
Well if go by needs were not taking any pass rushers in round 1 we just took 3 top 100 passrushers last year. And i dont think we can take 1 QB and 9 Centers in a row
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Well if go by needs were not taking any pass rushers in round 1 we just took 3 top 100 passrushers last year.
there's a reason ogbah and nassib didn't go in the 1st round mate. I like the kids ok...but there's a reason.
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Well if go by needs were not taking any pass rushers in round 1 we just took 3 top 100 passrushers last year. And i dont think we can take 1 QB and 9 Centers in a row
Last in the NFL in QB pressures. I don't give a god damn who we drafted last year. Saying we drafted X position in the 2nd or 3rd round doesn't mean we don't have a need.
But go on, you were saying...?
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Well if go by needs were not taking any pass rushers in round 1 we just took 3 top 100 passrushers last year. And i dont think we can take 1 QB and 9 Centers in a row
Last in the NFL in QB pressures. I don't give a god damn who we drafted last year. Saying we drafted X position in the 2nd or 3rd round doesn't mean we don't have a need.
But go on, you were saying...?
Last in the league in alot of things this year. I'd say our issue is more on coverage than it is on pass rush. Our linebackers are terrible in coverage and our 3rd cb is really bad and i dont even know what Safety depth we are on.Last in the NFL in QB pressures. I don't give a god damn who we drafted last year. Saying we drafted X position in the 2nd or 3rd round doesn't mean we don't have a need.
But go on, you were saying...?
Most of the time the opposing QB just hits the checkdown in sub 3 seconds and casually goes up the field. Or my favorite the middle of the field just above our linebackers. Or they just run it while our guys struggle to figure out what gaps are. Considering our guys are not slower or weaker than ANY OTHER nfl players and the evidence we have seen this season. I would say the biggest NEED is improved communication skills, Player positioning and Discipline.
But since we cant draft Coaching we'll have to settle for areas of maximum effective value
Edit: Also we are 28th in pressures not last... But last year we were actually Average in this statistic. So you know hooray for zone blitz horton
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I know it seems that way. Good running game - bad oline.
However, Crowell isn't on Peterson's level... he's good but he's not ELITE. Johnson has been good but he's complimentary to the running game. I like Crow but he's coming up on a contract and replacing Crow with a player like Leo is an upgrade. Leonard Fournette is a game changer. I believe getting Bitonio back and having that left side locked down is going to be huge. We also have several other players that could turn out really decent on the O-Line for the right side.
I see a backfield of Leonard Fournette, Duke Johnson and Donnel Humphrey far superior to what we have now. Plus, that would enable us to cut like 5 runningbacks.
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JJ watt can't Carry a team, Joe Thomas can't carry a team. LT could, Emmitt Could. Obviously QB Can carry a team.
Again Can't count on coaching so gotta put maximum impact in the players with the highest impact
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Last in the league in alot of things this year. I'd say our issue is more on coverage than it is on pass rush. Our linebackers are terrible in coverage and our 3rd cb is really bad and i dont even know what Safety depth we are on.Last in the NFL in QB pressures. I don't give a god damn who we drafted last year. Saying we drafted X position in the 2nd or 3rd round doesn't mean we don't have a need.
But go on, you were saying...?
Most of the time the opposing QB just hits the checkdown in sub 3 seconds and casually goes up the field. Or my favorite the middle of the field just above our linebackers. Or they just run it while our guys struggle to figure out what gaps are. Considering our guys are not slower or weaker than ANY OTHER nfl players and the evidence we have seen this season. I would say the biggest NEED is improved communication skills, Player positioning and Discipline.
But since we cant draft Coaching we'll have to settle for areas of maximum effective value
Edit: Also we are 28th in pressures not last... But last year we were actually Average in this statistic. So you know hooray for zone blitz horton
Last in the league in alot of things this year. I'd say our issue is more on coverage than it is on pass rush. Our linebackers are terrible in coverage and our 3rd cb is really bad and i dont even know what Safety depth we are on.
Most of the time the opposing QB just hits the checkdown in sub 3 seconds and casually goes up the field. Or my favorite the middle of the field just above our linebackers. Or they just run it while our guys struggle to figure out what gaps are. Considering our guys are not slower or weaker than ANY OTHER nfl players and the evidence we have seen this season. I would say the biggest NEED is improved communication skills, Player positioning and Discipline.
But since we cant draft Coaching we'll have to settle for areas of maximum effective value
Edit: Also we are 28th in pressures not last... But last year we were actually Average in this statistic.
Pass rusher is a premium and there are far more top 5 worthy picks of them in this draft than top 5 linebackers which are extremely rare.
In today's NFL you have to build front to back. You have to be able to limit the run and consistently move the QB off the spot. The days of having Revis and Crow on each side then making up for it with a variety of secondary blitzing is over. Too much contact is called.
JJ watt can't Carry a team, Joe Thomas can't carry a team. LT could, Emmitt Could. Obviously QB Can carry a team.
Again Can't count on coaching so gotta put maximum impact in the players with the highest impact
LT carried his team...where? To first round playoffs exits every time? Emmitt had the luxury of a HoF QB and WR playing with him.
Let's not even start on the badass Olines both those teams had. Neither LT nor Smith are anywhere near as effective playing behind some lower tier bunch. You can say that for most every running back not named Sanders.
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Last in the league in alot of things this year. I'd say our issue is more on coverage than it is on pass rush. Our linebackers are terrible in coverage and our 3rd cb is really bad and i dont even know what Safety depth we are on.
Most of the time the opposing QB just hits the checkdown in sub 3 seconds and casually goes up the field. Or my favorite the middle of the field just above our linebackers. Or they just run it while our guys struggle to figure out what gaps are. Considering our guys are not slower or weaker than ANY OTHER nfl players and the evidence we have seen this season. I would say the biggest NEED is improved communication skills, Player positioning and Discipline.
But since we cant draft Coaching we'll have to settle for areas of maximum effective value
Edit: Also we are 28th in pressures not last... But last year we were actually Average in this statistic.
Pass rusher is a premium and there are far more top 5 worthy picks of them in this draft than top 5 linebackers which are extremely rare.
In today's NFL you have to build front to back. You have to be able to limit the run and consistently move the QB off the spot. The days of having Revis and Crow on each side then making up for it with a variety of secondary blitzing is over. Too much contact is called.
JJ watt can't Carry a team, Joe Thomas can't carry a team. LT could, Emmitt Could. Obviously QB Can carry a team.
Again Can't count on coaching so gotta put maximum impact in the players with the highest impact
LT carried his team...where? To first round playoffs exits every time? Emmitt had the luxury of a HoF QB and WR playing with him.
Let's not even start on the badass Olines both those teams had. Neither LT nor Smith are anywhere near as effective playing behind some lower tier bunch. You can say that for most every running back not named Sanders.
Damn i was sitting there trying to remember sanders tooPass rusher is a premium and there are far more top 5 worthy picks of them in this draft than top 5 linebackers which are extremely rare.
In today's NFL you have to build front to back. You have to be able to limit the run and consistently move the QB off the spot. The days of having Revis and Crow on each side then making up for it with a variety of secondary blitzing is over. Too much contact is called.
LT carried his team...where? To first round playoffs exits every time? Emmitt had the luxury of a HoF QB and WR playing with him.
Let's not even start on the badass Olines both those teams had. Neither LT nor Smith are anywhere near as effective playing behind some lower tier bunch. You can say that for most every running back not named Sanders.
If we could get some first round exits in the playoffs from leonard that would be okay i guess... I mean if i am forced to
Also in point to the top portion of your statement we LITERALLY run zone blitz with heavy use of secondary Blitzers i'm not sure how your still stomaching the season to be honest.
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I guess what i'm getting at is this draft is deep in pass rushers. Deep enough that high quality players will be found throughout the first round not just pick 1
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I guess what i'm getting at is this draft is deep in pass rushers. Deep enough that high quality players will be found throughout the first round not just pick 1
I guess what i'm getting at is this draft is deep in pass rushers. Deep enough that high quality players will be found throughout the first round not just pick 1
The drop off from 1 & 2 is severe. Barnett out of Tennessee is a no go for me.
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Whats wrong with barnett? And what about Reuben Foster hoq do you like him?
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Well, the Browns will get the #1 pick in the 2017 draft, Will they go QB or Def .?
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I wouldnt want a "pure" edge rusher either, with that first pick i want a solid all around edge. Which is why for now im leaning to camp allen. Im not 100% sure garett is going to be ready in his rookie year to hold up at the point and then also shed his blocker to impede the play.
Allen looks to me a little like bosa in his discipline against blockers. And we saw how good bosa was from the get go in holding tackles off him. Garett looks like a guy who's developed his game to feast on mediocre college lineman. I dont see the toolset that works in the nfl being plyed by him. Its a little like clowney. Looks awesome in college but didnt really develop the hands to do the brawling necessary for nfl line duty. If we were a team with a history of teaching kids well, than yeah take garett.
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I managed this masterpiece. Would anyone be upset with this draft?
Your score is: 10667 (GRADE: A)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 18 (BALT): Desmond King, CB, Iowa (
Round 1 Pick 28 (NYG): Ethan Pocic, C/OG, LSU (A-)
Round 2 Pick 1: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford (A)
Round 2 Pick 6 (NYJ): Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20 (HOU): Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 12 (N.O.): Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami (Fla.) (A+)
Round 3 Pick 24 (DET): Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (
Round 4 Pick 24 (DET): Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A-)
Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2018 Round 1 Pick (JAX)
2018 Round 1 Pick (PHI)
2019 Round 1 Pick
Keep in mind that's 3 first rounders next year, possible that all three would be top 15 picks. Also, we have PHI's 2nd rounder as well. So that would be 3 in the first and two seconds.
I managed this masterpiece. Would anyone be upset with this draft?
Me... You managed to avoid all the impact players at the top of the draft.
JJ watt can't Carry a team, Joe Thomas can't carry a team. LT could, Emmitt Could.
No... they did not...
LT carried his team...where? To first round playoffs exits every time? Emmitt had the luxury of a HoF QB and WR playing with him.
Let's not even start on the badass Olines both those teams had. Neither LT nor Smith are anywhere near as effective playing behind some lower tier bunch. You can say that for most every running back not named Sanders.
Bingo! LT's QBs were no slouches either. And you did not even mention the Ds both had...
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