Boy were they foolish...
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Here is the thing....they ARE putting this team in the hands of mostly young players. So for the OL, they decided to just go with Drango and Coleman on the OL. Same with DL, and mostly OLB etc.
so we can't sign any great young offensive lineman and pay them a decent contract? we have to pay the bare minimum? this whole plan is to make sure jimmy spends as little fucking money as possible. what a great, genius plan.
so we can't sign any great young offensive lineman and pay them a decent contract? we have to pay the bare minimum? this whole plan is to make sure jimmy spends as little fucking money as possible. what a great, genius plan.
They are trying to build through the draft. Paying top dollar for young talent is what you do when you are filling a few positions before a run at the playoffs. Not when you are accepting that the team is a dumpster fire that will be a multiple year fix. You would in effect waste the best years on the players contract to pull out 5 wins.
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OLB is different.. they didn't have any vet "talent" at the position. Orchard is a backup with ogbah, schobert on hand.. Kruger and Mingo's suckage is well documented.
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They let Mack walk which was stupid..
Mack voided his contract and sought another deal. He didn't want to play in Cleveland and no logical amount of money would have kept him here. That's completely different from letting him walk.
Mack voided his contract and sought another deal. He didn't want to play in Cleveland and no logical amount of money would have kept him here. That's completely different from letting him walk.
With the amount of $$$ they have in cap space they could have resigned him! Don't give me that bs! Money talks
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They let Mack walk which was stupid..
Mack voided his contract and sought another deal. He didn't want to play in Cleveland and no logical amount of money would have kept him here. That's completely different from letting him walk.
Mack voided his contract and sought another deal. He didn't want to play in Cleveland and no logical amount of money would have kept him here. That's completely different from letting him walk.
Unfortunately- true.
so we can't sign any great young offensive lineman and pay them a decent contract? we have to pay the bare minimum? this whole plan is to make sure jimmy spends as little fucking money as possible. what a great, genius plan.
How you going to do that? If there's a great offensive lineman- his team is going to try and keep him. See below.
They are trying to build through the draft. Paying top dollar for young talent is what you do when you are filling a few positions before a run at the playoffs. Not when you are accepting that the team is a dumpster fire that will be a multiple year fix. You would in effect waste the best years on the players contract to pull out 5 wins.
With the amount of $$$ they have in cap space they could have resigned him! Don't give me that bs! Money talks
Mack was offered a contract by the Browns that would have made him the highest paid center in the NFL. Effectively, Atlanta offered him 10 cents more, and he bolted. Mack is 30 years old- he'll be on the downside by the time the Browns are any good.
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so we can't sign any great young offensive lineman and pay them a decent contract? we have to pay the bare minimum? this whole plan is to make sure jimmy spends as little fucking money as possible. what a great, genius plan.
They are trying to build through the draft. Paying top dollar for young talent is what you do when you are filling a few positions before a run at the playoffs. Not when you are accepting that the team is a dumpster fire that will be a multiple year fix. You would in effect waste the best years on the players contract to pull out 5 wins.
They are trying to build through the draft. Paying top dollar for young talent is what you do when you are filling a few positions before a run at the playoffs. Not when you are accepting that the team is a dumpster fire that will be a multiple year fix. You would in effect waste the best years on the players contract to pull out 5 wins.
fair enough, but in two years from now if jimmy is still 40 million or more under the salary cap, i'll say I called it.
If we develop "young" players through the draft will jimmy resign them with a fat contract or let them walk?
Didn't we develop TJ ward, or Sheard, or Schwartz? I'm certainly glad we could so they could join another team.
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They are trying to build through the draft. Paying top dollar for young talent is what you do when you are filling a few positions before a run at the playoffs. Not when you are accepting that the team is a dumpster fire that will be a multiple year fix. You would in effect waste the best years on the players contract to pull out 5 wins.
fair enough, but in two years from now if jimmy is still 40 million or more under the salary cap, i'll say I called it.
If we develop "young" players through the draft will jimmy resign them with a fat contract or let them walk?
Didn't we develop TJ ward, or Sheard, or Schwartz? I'm certainly glad we could so they could join another team.
fair enough, but in two years from now if jimmy is still 40 million or more under the salary cap, i'll say I called it.
If we develop "young" players through the draft will jimmy resign them with a fat contract or let them walk?
Didn't we develop TJ ward, or Sheard, or Schwartz? I'm certainly glad we could so they could join another team.
Sashi Brown is coming in from the Jags who used this same strategy and they most certainly made sure to retain young guys that they drafted and developed (Ex: Allen Hurns got a 4 year 40M extension).
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Mack voided his contract and sought another deal. He didn't want to play in Cleveland and no logical amount of money would have kept him here. That's completely different from letting him walk.
Unfortunately- true.
so we can't sign any great young offensive lineman and pay them a decent contract? we have to pay the bare minimum? this whole plan is to make sure jimmy spends as little fucking money as possible. what a great, genius plan.
How you going to do that? If there's a great offensive lineman- his team is going to try and keep him. See below.
They are trying to build through the draft. Paying top dollar for young talent is what you do when you are filling a few positions before a run at the playoffs. Not when you are accepting that the team is a dumpster fire that will be a multiple year fix. You would in effect waste the best years on the players contract to pull out 5 wins.
With the amount of $$$ they have in cap space they could have resigned him! Don't give me that bs! Money talks
Mack was offered a contract by the Browns that would have made him the highest paid center in the NFL. Effectively, Atlanta offered him 10 cents more, and he bolted. Mack is 30 years old- he'll be on the downside by the time the Browns are any good.
Unfortunately- true.
How you going to do that? If there's a great offensive lineman- his team is going to try and keep him. See below.
Mack was offered a contract by the Browns that would have made him the highest paid center in the NFL. Effectively, Atlanta offered him 10 cents more, and he bolted. Mack is 30 years old- he'll be on the downside by the time the Browns are any good.
hoorta, i wasn't talking about Mack. My point was that we need to bring in more talent. I get that it has to be young talent.... But is this whole analytics thing supposed to make the talent as "cheap" as possible, but when we have a stud QB or WR and it comes to resigning them, do you think jimmy will pay them a fat contract, or let them walk and try to find a 4th round pick or walk-on to replace them? Why did we let TJ Ward go? We didn't even ask him if he wanted to resign..... If we let great players that we develop keep going to other teams, how will we ever be great?
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fair enough, but in two years from now if jimmy is still 40 million or more under the salary cap, i'll say I called it.
If we develop "young" players through the draft will jimmy resign them with a fat contract or let them walk?
Didn't we develop TJ ward, or Sheard, or Schwartz? I'm certainly glad we could so they could join another team.
Sashi Brown is coming in from the Jags who used this same strategy and they most certainly made sure to retain young guys that they drafted and developed (Ex: Allen Hurns got a 4 year 40M extension).
Sashi Brown is coming in from the Jags who used this same strategy and they most certainly made sure to retain young guys that they drafted and developed (Ex: Allen Hurns got a 4 year 40M extension).
Sashi Brown hasn't proven jack to me or us Browns fans yet. Trust is earned, I don't give a fuck what he did with the Jags, this is Cleveland.
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Mack voided his contract and sought another deal. He didn't want to play in Cleveland and no logical amount of money would have kept him here. That's completely different from letting him walk.
With the amount of $$$ they have in cap space they could have resigned him! Don't give me that bs! Money talks
With the amount of $$$ they have in cap space they could have resigned him! Don't give me that bs! Money talks
As noted, the Browns offered him a deal to be the highest paid center in the league by a wide margin. He overtly turned that down, voided his deal and signed somewhere else. Use common sense, critically think, and realize he wasn't coming back.
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Sashi Brown is coming in from the Jags who used this same strategy and they most certainly made sure to retain young guys that they drafted and developed (Ex: Allen Hurns got a 4 year 40M extension).
Sashi Brown hasn't proven jack to me or us Browns fans yet. Trust is earned, I don't give a fuck what he did with the Jags, this is Cleveland.
Sashi Brown hasn't proven jack to me or us Browns fans yet. Trust is earned, I don't give a fuck what he did with the Jags, this is Cleveland.
So I guess you have never had to interview people with prior work experience?
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Unfortunately- true.
How you going to do that? If there's a great offensive lineman- his team is going to try and keep him. See below.
Mack was offered a contract by the Browns that would have made him the highest paid center in the NFL. Effectively, Atlanta offered him 10 cents more, and he bolted. Mack is 30 years old- he'll be on the downside by the time the Browns are any good.
hoorta, i wasn't talking about Mack. My point was that we need to bring in more talent. I get that it has to be young talent.... But is this whole analytics thing supposed to make the talent as "cheap" as possible, but when we have a stud QB or WR and it comes to resigning them, do you think jimmy will pay them a fat contract, or let them walk and try to find a 4th round pick or walk-on to replace them? Why did we let TJ Ward go? We didn't even ask him if he wanted to resign..... If we let great players that we develop keep going to other teams, how will we ever be great?
hoorta, i wasn't talking about Mack. My point was that we need to bring in more talent. I get that it has to be young talent.... But is this whole analytics thing supposed to make the talent as "cheap" as possible, but when we have a stud QB or WR and it comes to resigning them, do you think jimmy will pay them a fat contract, or let them walk and try to find a 4th round pick or walk-on to replace them? Why did we let TJ Ward go? We didn't even ask him if he wanted to resign..... If we let great players that we develop keep going to other teams, how will we ever be great?
I hate to say it but you can't pin losing guys like Ward and Sheard on Sashi & company. That was Ray the Farmer's brilliant thinking. They offered Mack and Schwartz way above market deals, but they decided to play elsewhere. I also could speculate you can again put the goat horns on Farmer for messing up and not extending them to long term deals while he still had the chance. (Ward even wanted to stay here as he's pals with Joe Haden- WTF were you thinking there Ray?)
Don't accuse Jimmy of being a tightwad with his cash. We had one of the highest paid defenses in the NFL last year, and it got us exactly 3 wins. He's pumped millions of his own money into stadium upgrades.
We're going to find out as soon as next year what the new FO and Haslam are thinking. If Josh Gordon comes back and has a monster year (as I suspect and hope he will) he's going to command a ton of money on the open market as a RFA. Just putting a first round tender & $2.8 million on him won't cut it.
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hoorta, i wasn't talking about Mack. My point was that we need to bring in more talent. I get that it has to be young talent.... But is this whole analytics thing supposed to make the talent as "cheap" as possible, but when we have a stud QB or WR and it comes to resigning them, do you think jimmy will pay them a fat contract, or let them walk and try to find a 4th round pick or walk-on to replace them? Why did we let TJ Ward go? We didn't even ask him if he wanted to resign..... If we let great players that we develop keep going to other teams, how will we ever be great?
I hate to say it but you can't pin losing guys like Ward and Sheard on Sashi & company. That was Ray the Farmer's brilliant thinking. They offered Mack and Schwartz way above market deals, but they decided to play elsewhere. I also could speculate you can again put the goat horns on Farmer for messing up and not extending them to long term deals while he still had the chance. (Ward even wanted to stay here as he's pals with Joe Haden- WTF were you thinking there Ray?)
Don't accuse Jimmy of being a tightwad with his cash. We had one of the highest paid defenses in the NFL last year, and it got us exactly 3 wins. He's pumped millions of his own money into stadium upgrades.
We're going to find out as soon as next year what the new FO and Haslam are thinking. If Josh Gordon comes back and has a monster year (as I suspect and hope he will) he's going to command a ton of money on the open market as a RFA. Just putting a first round tender & $2.8 million on him won't cut it.
We're going to find out as soon as next year what the new FO and Haslam are thinking. If Josh Gordon comes back and has a monster year (as I suspect and hope he will) he's going to command a ton of money on the open market as a RFA. Just putting a first round tender & $2.8 million on him won't cut it.
Sashi and Co. will get Josh signed to a big contract, he will smoke weed, and then a whole bunch of dummies will come in to scream about how the front office fucked up. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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With the amount of $$$ they have in cap space they could have resigned him! Don't give me that bs! Money talks
As noted, the Browns offered him a deal to be the highest paid center in the league by a wide margin. He overtly turned that down, voided his deal and signed somewhere else. Use common sense, critically think, and realize he wasn't coming back.
As noted, the Browns offered him a deal to be the highest paid center in the league by a wide margin. He overtly turned that down, voided his deal and signed somewhere else. Use common sense, critically think, and realize he wasn't coming back.
Funniest part is Mack wanted to "play for a winner"... yet chose Atlanta.
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As noted, the Browns offered him a deal to be the highest paid center in the league by a wide margin. He overtly turned that down, voided his deal and signed somewhere else. Use common sense, critically think, and realize he wasn't coming back.
Funniest part is Mack wanted to "play for a winner"... yet chose Atlanta.
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I guess he thought at least that the QB merry go round would not be in operation there. Only thing I can think of.
Atlanta is certainly no peach when it comes to lifestyle, imo.
Shanny is there ... Mack was great that year we had Shanny before he got injured.
That was Gabriel's only decent year too ... and guess where he is?
Zombo
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Sashi Brown hasn't proven jack to me or us Browns fans yet. Trust is earned, I don't give a fuck what he did with the Jags, this is Cleveland.
So I guess you have never had to interview people with prior work experience?
So I guess you have never had to interview people with prior work experience?
you judge a person based on how he performs now. i'm not saying sashi is doing horrible, or bad yet, time will tell if he does good or not, but its f#$%ing moronic to have blind faith in him and just say "in sashi we trust". quit defending him and tell me you agree with me, that when time comes we need to re-sign our playmakers and get it done.
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hoorta, i wasn't talking about Mack. My point was that we need to bring in more talent. I get that it has to be young talent.... But is this whole analytics thing supposed to make the talent as "cheap" as possible, but when we have a stud QB or WR and it comes to resigning them, do you think jimmy will pay them a fat contract, or let them walk and try to find a 4th round pick or walk-on to replace them? Why did we let TJ Ward go? We didn't even ask him if he wanted to resign..... If we let great players that we develop keep going to other teams, how will we ever be great?
I hate to say it but you can't pin losing guys like Ward and Sheard on Sashi & company. That was Ray the Farmer's brilliant thinking. They offered Mack and Schwartz way above market deals, but they decided to play elsewhere. I also could speculate you can again put the goat horns on Farmer for messing up and not extending them to long term deals while he still had the chance. (Ward even wanted to stay here as he's pals with Joe Haden- WTF were you thinking there Ray?)
Don't accuse Jimmy of being a tightwad with his cash. We had one of the highest paid defenses in the NFL last year, and it got us exactly 3 wins. He's pumped millions of his own money into stadium upgrades.
We're going to find out as soon as next year what the new FO and Haslam are thinking. If Josh Gordon comes back and has a monster year (as I suspect and hope he will) he's going to command a ton of money on the open market as a RFA. Just putting a first round tender & $2.8 million on him won't cut it.
I hate to say it but you can't pin losing guys like Ward and Sheard on Sashi & company. That was Ray the Farmer's brilliant thinking. They offered Mack and Schwartz way above market deals, but they decided to play elsewhere. I also could speculate you can again put the goat horns on Farmer for messing up and not extending them to long term deals while he still had the chance. (Ward even wanted to stay here as he's pals with Joe Haden- WTF were you thinking there Ray?)
Don't accuse Jimmy of being a tightwad with his cash. We had one of the highest paid defenses in the NFL last year, and it got us exactly 3 wins. He's pumped millions of his own money into stadium upgrades.
We're going to find out as soon as next year what the new FO and Haslam are thinking. If Josh Gordon comes back and has a monster year (as I suspect and hope he will) he's going to command a ton of money on the open market as a RFA. Just putting a first round tender & $2.8 million on him won't cut it.
I'm not saying that he doesn't want to win, just that he could "potentially" be clueless again. I agree, much of the blame is to farmer and company (i feel more bad for what pettine went through every game i watch).
Anyways I applaud them for sticking to their guns with this "plan", but all i'm saying is it better fucking work this time around in a few years.
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Can we calm down a little bit??? Wentz wasnt by anyone's account a great choice for a QB that high in the draft. Remember all the talk about how weak of a draft class it was in the QB department. I really didnt see him do anything that fantastic in the game throwing to wide open poorly covered recievers. One good endzone drop pass to the corner was about it.
Lets see where Wentz is in 5 weeks when he has a played a few decent defenses that can stop the run and force him to pass.
I still think we made a good move in not going into panic mode and settling for low hanging fruit just because other teams panicked come draft day.
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So I guess you have never had to interview people with prior work experience?
you judge a person based on how he performs now. i'm not saying sashi is doing horrible, or bad yet, time will tell if he does good or not, but its f#$%ing moronic to have blind faith in him and just say "in sashi we trust". quit defending him and tell me you agree with me, that when time comes we need to re-sign our playmakers and get it done.
you judge a person based on how he performs now. i'm not saying sashi is doing horrible, or bad yet, time will tell if he does good or not, but its f#$%ing moronic to have blind faith in him and just say "in sashi we trust". quit defending him and tell me you agree with me, that when time comes we need to re-sign our playmakers and get it done.
Please find where I said "in sashi we trust" anywhere on this forum. Defending =/= explaining the strategy behind moves.
Well, yes, anyone with sense knows that we should re-sign playmakers. However, they have to want to sign with your team. This front office wasn't here for Sheard and Ward. Schwartz openly used the team for leverage to get a better contract somewhere else and Mack left because he wanted to go to a winner.
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I guess he thought at least that the QB merry go round would not be in operation there. Only thing I can think of.
Atlanta is certainly no peach when it comes to lifestyle, imo.
Shanny is there ... Mack was great that year we had Shanny before he got injured.
That was Gabriel's only decent year too ... and guess where he is?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Shanny is there ... Mack was great that year we had Shanny before he got injured.
That was Gabriel's only decent year too ... and guess where he is?
Zombo
Well, if it works for them, fine. Though, the fact is the ATL may be the worst team in that division:
Panthers better
Bucs better, they just proved it by beating them.
Saints may be better.
ATL sucks hind tit.
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