Corey Coleman
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The most glaring wide receiver deficiency (other than the Britt drop, Jesus) came on that long pass to Kasen Williams. Yes, we all know the pass was far from perfect, but the catch could've been made at the 6 yard line. I can't think of too many times I've seen an NFL receiver go out of bounds like that when he didn't have to, and Nathan Zegura of our radio show made the comment that Williams went so far out of bounds, that he had to take a step and half the OPPOSITE way just to track the ball. That's pretty bad, and it's another example of our wide receivers not helping a very young QB.
Conversely, Coleman is the only guy who DID help out Kizer when balls weren't thrown perfectly. Now, he needs to stay healthy and he needs to be consistent, but for the first game of the season, I believe fans have to be excited (relieved?).
As I've mentioned a few times, the biggest aspect missing from Coleman's game is "explosiveness". He basically has the look of a tiny possession receiver. Kizer looks for him on crucial downs, and Corey has been coming down with the ball. What we're NOT seeing are the plays where Corey gets free and picks up chunk yardage. Remember his college film? Remember him getting the ball in space and making people look silly as he scooted down the field? Can anyone think of ONE play where Corey has done anything like that?
Something else I've noticed the past few years is how our team gets burned by "crossing routes", and when the ball is delivered in stride to opposing receivers, they pick up big yards. Every...single...time we try a crossing route, it's either incomplete or the pass is so inaccurate, our guy catches it and falls down. Now, we DID have Corey open on a 10 yard slant pattern, and it would've been a huge play but the defender made a good play and grabbed Corey from behind. We got the 5 yard penalty and the first down, but it really hurt because Corey would've picked up a large gain.
The most glaring wide receiver deficiency (other than the Britt drop, Jesus) came on that long pass to Kasen Williams. Yes, we all know the pass was far from perfect, but the catch could've been made at the 6 yard line. I can't think of too many times I've seen an NFL receiver go out of bounds like that when he didn't have to,
You may have caught my "apple-a-gee" in another thread, but I was wrong... the pass was catchable. Tough catch as you said, but catchable. Problem I saw is that Williams locked in looking back over over his inside (left) shoulder. He had to either swap to look back over his outside (right) shoulder or do a OBJ-style complete turn to the inside.
One thing I haven't heard mentioned was whether the wind drifted the ball OB. It would make any adjustment harder as did the relatively flat trajectory of such a deep ball. Not a pass you can lob due to the Safety closing, but Kizer tends to over-flatten his throws.
Can anyone think of ONE play where Corey has done anything like that?
No... but I can't think of any situation he's been put in like that. Might have been a bubble screen last year?
Every...single...time we try a crossing route, it's either incomplete or the pass is so inaccurate, our guy catches it and falls down. Now, we DID have Corey open...
I have seen crosses where Kizer's throws are so low the WR has to go to the ground to collect them. Some of these seem to be due to inaccuracy brought on by acquiring the target late. Other times it seems a simple matter of not being as confident on throws in the middle of the field.
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The most glaring wide receiver deficiency (other than the Britt drop, Jesus) came on that long pass to Kasen Williams. Yes, we all know the pass was far from perfect, but the catch could've been made at the 6 yard line. I can't think of too many times I've seen an NFL receiver go out of bounds like that when he didn't have to, and Nathan Zegura of our radio show made the comment that Williams went so far out of bounds, that he had to take a step and half the OPPOSITE way just to track the ball. That's pretty bad, and it's another example of our wide receivers not helping a very young QB.
Conversely, Coleman is the only guy who DID help out Kizer when balls weren't thrown perfectly. Now, he needs to stay healthy and he needs to be consistent, but for the first game of the season, I believe fans have to be excited (relieved?).
As I've mentioned a few times, the biggest aspect missing from Coleman's game is "explosiveness". He basically has the look of a tiny possession receiver. Kizer looks for him on crucial downs, and Corey has been coming down with the ball. What we're NOT seeing are the plays where Corey gets free and picks up chunk yardage. Remember his college film? Remember him getting the ball in space and making people look silly as he scooted down the field? Can anyone think of ONE play where Corey has done anything like that?
Something else I've noticed the past few years is how our team gets burned by "crossing routes", and when the ball is delivered in stride to opposing receivers, they pick up big yards. Every...single...time we try a crossing route, it's either incomplete or the pass is so inaccurate, our guy catches it and falls down. Now, we DID have Corey open on a 10 yard slant pattern, and it would've been a huge play but the defender made a good play and grabbed Corey from behind. We got the 5 yard penalty and the first down, but it really hurt because Corey would've picked up a large gain.
The most glaring wide receiver deficiency (other than the Britt drop, Jesus) came on that long pass to Kasen Williams. Yes, we all know the pass was far from perfect, but the catch could've been made at the 6 yard line.
Kizer threw the ball OB. It looked to me that he threw it where his brain said it had to be thrown (away from the defender). - A learning experience?
What we're NOT seeing are the plays where Corey gets free and picks up chunk yardage. Remember his college film?
College is different. Yeah, in college he was running free. (Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore)
This is year two for Coleman. In theory, we should see a jump in his play this year.
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Coleman will make a HUGE jump once Gordon arrives! There is nothing more boosting than a true #1 to take the attention away from our #2.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Stop re-animating year-old threads
This. It always confuses me. I'm slow and admit it and it takes me too much time to process and put together that what l'm reading isn't current or pertinent. Just start a new thread please.
This. It always confuses me. I'm slow and admit it and it takes me too much time to process and put together that what l'm reading isn't current or pertinent. Just start a new thread please.
On the Browns Board page with all of the threads listed, there's a STAR next to the thread. Click on the star and it'll take you to the next unread post.
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Other than reading defenses, running routes and consistently catching the ball he's awesome
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Coleman will make a HUGE jump once Gordon arrives! There is nothing more boosting than a true #1 to take the attention away from our #2.
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The hit he took late will keep him out eleventeen months I'm guessing.
about right...............
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/09/browns_fear_corey_coleman_brok.html
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Waiting for a mudfly response......
hahahaa
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If he broke his hand did the Browns lose anything? He was a terrible draft pick and they aren't going to pay him after his rookie deal is up.
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If he broke his hand did the Browns lose anything? He was a terrible draft pick and they aren't going to pay him after his rookie deal is up.
If he broke his hand did the Browns lose anything? He was a terrible draft pick and they aren't going to pay him after his rookie deal is up.
Yeah we lost something. Time. There's plenty of people we could've took instead of trading down for Coleman (Zeke? Bosa?) It was a weak WR draft, and Chiefs got Tyreek Hill in the fifth round.
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If he broke his hand did the Browns lose anything? He was a terrible draft pick and they aren't going to pay him after his rookie deal is up.
If he broke his hand did the Browns lose anything? He was a terrible draft pick and they aren't going to pay him after his rookie deal is up.
Hopefully this opens up a spot for the kid from Seattle that was inactive today. Him and Higgins I guess.....................
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If he broke his hand did the Browns lose anything? He was a terrible draft pick and they aren't going to pay him after his rookie deal is up.
Yeah we lost something. Time. There's plenty of people we could've took instead of trading down for Coleman (Zeke? Bosa?) It was a weak WR draft, and Chiefs got Tyreek Hill in the fifth round.
Yeah we lost something. Time. There's plenty of people we could've took instead of trading down for Coleman (Zeke? Bosa?) It was a weak WR draft, and Chiefs got Tyreek Hill in the fifth round.
I agree but Sashi can do no wrong. The problem with the Browns was Farmer & Pettine
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Yeah we lost something. Time. There's plenty of people we could've took instead of trading down for Coleman (Zeke? Bosa?) It was a weak WR draft, and Chiefs got Tyreek Hill in the fifth round.
I agree but Sashi can do no wrong. The problem with the Browns was Farmer & Pettine
I agree but Sashi can do no wrong. The problem with the Browns was Farmer & Pettine
Sashi is smart, but every human can make mistakes. It's hard to say Coleman isn't a mistake at this point.
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For me the issues stem from the 2016 draft.
I believed Wentz to be a quality player worth a high selection. Now it's true I also was on board taking Goff that high should he not have gone #1 overall. Tour was right, his anticipation was better than Carsons' at the time. But the Eagles are putting it all on his shoulders right now with mediocre receivers and a questionable running game. Kid is still producing. What got me the most was the gift that fell into our laps with Michael Thomas. He should have been the first receiver off the board - his game is tailored for the NFL. Sashi and co. really botched that pick.
Can Corey still be a solid player and contributor? Yes. But what what we need our first round picks to be? Hard time seeing that.
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I agree but Sashi can do no wrong. The problem with the Browns was Farmer & Pettine
Sashi is smart, but every human can make mistakes. It's hard to say Coleman isn't a mistake at this point.
Sashi is smart, but every human can make mistakes. It's hard to say Coleman isn't a mistake at this point.
Unfortunately a GM that trades value for a pick can't make those mistakes, unless of course the owner is a fool and the fans support your product even though it stinks.
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