Maiava
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Do you guys remember Polamalu in college?
He wore #43 at USC......Hmmmmmm.
This guy has safety written all over him.
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The guys at theOBR are hearing that Maiava will be used as a linebacker.
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Here are some highlights:
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Leon Williams didn't exactly shine as the nickle LB.
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I didn't get the Maiava pick at all. I don't see what he does in a 3-4 other than play special teams.
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They said at the presser he is a special teams demon and hardcore. I think they are planning on getting that out of him and whatever extra at LB is a bonus. The league has room for players like him and they can make a difference.
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I know you don't have to be all that fast at safety.....mostly quick and reactionary with a good eye for the game, but is he fast enough??
You also have to look at a guys body. Is he at his top weight or is he going to put on weight as a natural course of aging??
I don't know why, but you can just look at some people and tell they are going to bulk up as the hit 25 or 26 years of age.
You can't constantly keep a person in wrestling practice trying to make weight. Sooner or later they are going to end up where God and genetics intends them to end up.
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I don;t care what anyone says. This kid is a future safety. I don't see the Browns drafting a 6' 230 lbs back up linebacker from USC unless they have other plans for him.
Jackson is almost undersized at 6' and 240 lbs. Do they plan on adding an ever smaller one to the LB corps?
Look at him.....He looks like an NFL safety.
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I don;t care what anyone says. This kid is a future safety. I don't see the Browns drafting a 6' 230 lbs back up linebacker from USC unless they have other plans for him.
Jackson is almost undersized at 6' and 240 lbs. Do they plan on adding an ever smaller one to the LB corps?
Look at him.....He looks like an NFL safety.
I don;t care what anyone says. This kid is a future safety. I don't see the Browns drafting a 6' 230 lbs back up linebacker from USC unless they have other plans for him.
Jackson is almost undersized at 6' and 240 lbs. Do they plan on adding an ever smaller one to the LB corps?
Look at him.....He looks like an NFL safety.
Remember David Fulcher?
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I don;t care what anyone says. This kid is a future safety. I don't see the Browns drafting a 6' 230 lbs back up linebacker from USC unless they have other plans for him.
Jackson is almost undersized at 6' and 240 lbs. Do they plan on adding an ever smaller one to the LB corps?
Look at him.....He looks like an NFL safety.
Remember David Fulcher?
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the talk about moving maiava to S is a little nuts. even if he were to lose weight, it wouldn't magically make him fast enough to play a deep zone or make his coverage skills good enough to hang with a receiving TE or 3rd WR. he's going to play specials and be a backup ILB. he's the new regime's replacement for leon williams.
maiava needs to add some weight and muscle at this point in his career so he can become a viable player on the inside. he's got a frame that can handle at least another fifteen pounds, which he'll likely have by the end of next offseason's strength and conditioning program.
at some point, he could end up stepping in and playing with d'qwell rather than as just his replacement once the stopgaps have finished being useful. remember, mangini likes smaller, faster guys on the inside and bigger guys on the outside. this, of course, is all assuming that mangini's still around in three years.
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the talk about moving maiava to S is a little nuts. even if he were to lose weight, it wouldn't magically make him fast enough to play a deep zone or make his coverage skills good enough to hang with a receiving TE or 3rd WR. he's going to play specials and be a backup ILB. he's the new regime's replacement for leon williams.
maiava needs to add some weight and muscle at this point in his career so he can become a viable player on the inside. he's got a frame that can handle at least another fifteen pounds, which he'll likely have by the end of next offseason's strength and conditioning program.
at some point, he could end up stepping in and playing with d'qwell rather than as just his replacement once the stopgaps have finished being useful. remember, mangini likes smaller, faster guys on the inside and bigger guys on the outside. this, of course, is all assuming that mangini's still around in three years.
the talk about moving maiava to S is a little nuts.
We'll see. A strong safety's first priority is the run. Maiava actually runs a faster 40 than his fellow Trojan and safety Kevin Ellison.
There is little shot of him playing in the inside. If the Browns drafted him as a LB then it has to be a weakside LB.
He doesn't have any of the tools to be a ILB.
Read all the scouting reports. Lacks the size and strength to put up with the rigors of playing inside. Eludes blocks well and plays well in space. Good lateral movement.
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Ma ya hee, ma ya haa , Ma ha hoo, Maiava haa.
Ma ya hee, ma ya haa, Ma ha hoo, Maiava haa.
And then Rhianna and TI start singing .....
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the talk about moving maiava to S is a little nuts.
We'll see. A strong safety's first priority is the run. Maiava actually runs a faster 40 than his fellow Trojan and safety Kevin Ellison.
There is little shot of him playing in the inside. If the Browns drafted him as a LB then it has to be a weakside LB.
He doesn't have any of the tools to be a ILB.
Read all the scouting reports. Lacks the size and strength to put up with the rigors of playing inside. Eludes blocks well and plays well in space. Good lateral movement.
We'll see. A strong safety's first priority is the run. Maiava actually runs a faster 40 than his fellow Trojan and safety Kevin Ellison.
There is little shot of him playing in the inside. If the Browns drafted him as a LB then it has to be a weakside LB.
He doesn't have any of the tools to be a ILB.
Read all the scouting reports. Lacks the size and strength to put up with the rigors of playing inside. Eludes blocks well and plays well in space. Good lateral movement.
kevin ellison was a really, really slow safety. it's pure speculation as to why ellison was at S and maiava was at LB at USC, but it could have something to do with how good each is in coverage.
while maiava would be a good fit for a 4-3 will, he's far, far too small to be a mangini 3-4 will. dude likes his OLBs to run in the neighborhood of at least 250, if not larger. however, he prefers guys who aren't quite as big on the inside so they have the range to chase down plays on the sidelines.
if he eludes blocks well and plays well in space with good lateral movement, how aren't those keys to playing inside? it's always possible for a guy to bulk up. adding weight and muscle would increase his strength and make it easier for him to deal with the rigors of being an ILB. it's also a sign that he had zero sacks his senior year that maiava isn't viewed as an OLB.
ultimately, though, we're talking about a special teams player and backup at this point in his career, and, unless he magically gets faster and good in coverage or manages to work hand enough in the weight room to bulk up to a weight where he's strong enough to hold the point of attack, maiava's going to be just a role player, likely a smarter (i hope) version of leon williams, and someone whose ceiling is likely as a nickle LB.
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We'll see. A strong safety's first priority is the run. Maiava actually runs a faster 40 than his fellow Trojan and safety Kevin Ellison.
There is little shot of him playing in the inside. If the Browns drafted him as a LB then it has to be a weakside LB.
He doesn't have any of the tools to be a ILB.
Read all the scouting reports. Lacks the size and strength to put up with the rigors of playing inside. Eludes blocks well and plays well in space. Good lateral movement.
kevin ellison was a really, really slow safety. it's pure speculation as to why ellison was at S and maiava was at LB at USC, but it could have something to do with how good each is in coverage.
while maiava would be a good fit for a 4-3 will, he's far, far too small to be a mangini 3-4 will. dude likes his OLBs to run in the neighborhood of at least 250, if not larger. however, he prefers guys who aren't quite as big on the inside so they have the range to chase down plays on the sidelines.
if he eludes blocks well and plays well in space with good lateral movement, how aren't those keys to playing inside? it's always possible for a guy to bulk up. adding weight and muscle would increase his strength and make it easier for him to deal with the rigors of being an ILB. it's also a sign that he had zero sacks his senior year that maiava isn't viewed as an OLB.
ultimately, though, we're talking about a special teams player and backup at this point in his career, and, unless he magically gets faster and good in coverage or manages to work hand enough in the weight room to bulk up to a weight where he's strong enough to hold the point of attack, maiava's going to be just a role player, likely a smarter (i hope) version of leon williams, and someone whose ceiling is likely as a nickle LB.
if he eludes blocks well and plays well in space with good lateral movement, how aren't those keys to playing inside?
ILB's job isn't to alude, it's to take on blocks and shed. Playing well in space and eluding are refences to what weakside LB's do.
It's the same with "Playing well in space"...ILB's are not in space. They are point of attack players. Lateral movent is not that important. Especially in a 3-4. Their job is to plug rushing lanes.
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I just talked about this in another thread. Belichick/Parcel 3-4 systems don't really have a FS and a SS. they like two safties who can cover and also come up and play in the box. Both are sort of FS/SS. That has evolved into a need for a small LB, ala Maiava to play in special sets or in run situations. So although Maiava is a ILB, he is actually a new hybrid type ILB who can play like a SS and also provide better run support.
They are not converting him, but he will need to be a tough special teamer and also a guy who they can bring in in certain situations for run support and also a guy who can cover TEs and RBs.
As more teams move to the 3-4 there comes more speciality sets that are being run out of it. Sets like a 2-5-4 or a 3-5-3 or 4-4-3 instead of staying in the basic 3-4-4 which, in itself, gives you the ability to be diverse with two OLBs that can rush like DEs. Know we will see speciality guys like a Maiava who will be a hybrid LB/SS.
It will be very interesting to see what Ryan does to create a pass rush and stuff the run. I don't expect to see a continual dose of a standard 3-4 defense.
Mangini said hybrid guys give you a chance to better match up with specific teams.
For example, if Pissburgh wants to use two TEs and try to run the ball down our throats, then tha's when you would incorporate a guy like Maiava into the lineup.
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Ma ya hee, ma ya haa , Ma ha hoo, Maiava haa.
Ma ya hee, ma ya haa, Ma ha hoo, Maiava haa.
And then Rhianna and TI start singing .....
Ma ya hee, ma ya haa , Ma ha hoo, Maiava haa.
Ma ya hee, ma ya haa, Ma ha hoo, Maiava haa.
And then Rhianna and TI start singing .....
thats freaking halairious, took me a second to figure out what you were trying to say until I seen Rhianna and TI
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if he eludes blocks well and plays well in space with good lateral movement, how aren't those keys to playing inside?
ILB's job isn't to alude, it's to take on blocks and shed. Playing well in space and eluding are refences to what weakside LB's do.
It's the same with "Playing well in space"...ILB's are not in space. They are point of attack players. Lateral movent is not that important. Especially in a 3-4. Their job is to plug rushing lanes.
ILB's job isn't to alude, it's to take on blocks and shed. Playing well in space and eluding are refences to what weakside LB's do.
It's the same with "Playing well in space"...ILB's are not in space. They are point of attack players. Lateral movent is not that important. Especially in a 3-4. Their job is to plug rushing lanes.
while you're right about the ILBs not playing in space and that they have to take on blocks instead of eluding them, they still have to be able to move laterally to cover on runs outside the tackles.
otherwise, though, you're right that OLBs play in space more than ILBs.
ytown has some excellent points, too, and i hope that maiava can fill the rodney harrison type roll for us.
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The insidery thing I read said that Maiava was more consistent than Maualuga, which isn't a surprise to those of us who've talked about Rey's bipolar play. With that context, it doesn't seem like too huge a compliment.
I don't have a hard time seeing Maiava as a guy who can play in this league, but I don't see how it's at SILB. His best shot to have a major impact on defense is if D'Qwell gets hurt (last year was the first time he played 16 games) or doesn't re-sign when his contract expires after this season.
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