Pryor UFA at the end of this year
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A solid backup.
Per PFF, he has been the #1 RT in the league from week 4 to the present, and the #9 overall tackle. He is not just a backup - he's an extraordinary starter. You are simply wrong. We do not need to draft OT next season.. and especially not a high pick.
Pazstor is than Schwartz.
Too many spots need upgrading to allow him to leave. Any pick used to "upgrade" his position would simply not be as good as him - AND that pick would mean that a different spot which also needs upgrading would not be upgraded from current incompetence.
Per PFF, he has been the #1 RT in the league from week 4 to the present, and the #9 overall tackle. He is not just a backup - he's an extraordinary starter. You are simply wrong. We do not need to draft OT next season.. and especially not a high pick.
Pazstor is than Schwartz.
Too many spots need upgrading to allow him to leave. Any pick used to "upgrade" his position would simply not be as good as him - AND that pick would mean that a different spot which also needs upgrading would not be upgraded from current incompetence.
PFF can be on sometimes or really off. I have no idea what they are seeing in Pasztor.
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Per PFF, he has been the #1 RT in the league from week 4 to the present, and the #9 overall tackle. He is not just a backup - he's an extraordinary starter. You are simply wrong. We do not need to draft OT next season.. and especially not a high pick.
Pazstor is than Schwartz.
Too many spots need upgrading to allow him to leave. Any pick used to "upgrade" his position would simply not be as good as him - AND that pick would mean that a different spot which also needs upgrading would not be upgraded from current incompetence.
PFF can be on sometimes or really off. I have no idea what they are seeing in Pasztor.
PFF can be on sometimes or really off. I have no idea what they are seeing in Pasztor.
A page back I mentioned the biggie. His run blocking grade really inflates his overall stat. Dude is a tank. Yes his pass pro has gotten better to the point of average with room for improvement.
I'm willing to even say we don't necessarily need to draft RT high this year. Pass rusher, C and DB are first priorities.
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Am i really the only one who understands the folks at PFF are trolling us so hard?
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Like they're trolling us so good im almost starting to like them for it
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Well for one thing they are seeing Paz every play... and not just when he screws up or is simply beaten badly enough to be featured in a replay, which is likely when you notice him. Not to mention that that is likely when he's in PassPro his improving, but still weaker, skill set.
And it's not just you, it's any "fan" watching a game... including me this year... and I try to focus on the OL... even replaying some plays between snaps to check what I missed or thought I saw. But it's no substitute for the hours I spent each week reviewing our OL the past couple years.
And what I have done pales compared to PFF's process.
On the previous page someone asked how PFF grades. Here it is:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/
Their expertise, reviews of grades and normalization combine to trump my efforts... although I did take some satisfaction in that most of the time my takes were relatively consistent with theirs.
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Am i really the only one who understands the folks at PFF are trolling us so hard?
Am i really the only one who understands the folks at PFF are trolling us so hard?
Apparently... you can start by telling me what you are talking about.
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Here is PFF's OL unit summary ranking thru Week 10:
9. Cleveland Browns (74.4)If the memory of Thursday night against the Ravens is still fresh in your mind, rest assured that the Browns’ offensive line has been better than that most of the season, despite being stressed significantly by the QBs it has been protecting. Cody Kessler has shown promise as a rookie, but holds the ball too long much of the time, and is the league’s most-pressured QB largely because of his own failings, and not those of the line. That being said, this is where the grades begin to fall off and O-lines look seriously flawed. C Cameron Erving has been a major disappointment as a center, struggling to run block or pass protect, while even LT Joe Thomas has shown signs of being mortal.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-11/
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Here is PFF's OL unit summary ranking thru Week 10:
9. Cleveland Browns (74.4)If the memory of Thursday night against the Ravens is still fresh in your mind, rest assured that the Browns’ offensive line has been better than that most of the season, despite being stressed significantly by the QBs it has been protecting. Cody Kessler has shown promise as a rookie, but holds the ball too long much of the time, and is the league’s most-pressured QB largely because of his own failings, and not those of the line. That being said, this is where the grades begin to fall off and O-lines look seriously flawed. C Cameron Erving has been a major disappointment as a center, struggling to run block or pass protect, while even LT Joe Thomas has shown signs of being mortal.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-11/
Here is PFF's OL unit summary ranking thru Week 10:
9. Cleveland Browns (74.4)If the memory of Thursday night against the Ravens is still fresh in your mind, rest assured that the Browns’ offensive line has been better than that most of the season, despite being stressed significantly by the QBs it has been protecting. Cody Kessler has shown promise as a rookie, but holds the ball too long much of the time, and is the league’s most-pressured QB largely because of his own failings, and not those of the line. That being said, this is where the grades begin to fall off and O-lines look seriously flawed. C Cameron Erving has been a major disappointment as a center, struggling to run block or pass protect, while even LT Joe Thomas has shown signs of being mortal.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-11/
Wow. Rated 9th best overall. How bizarre, how bizarre. The suckage on defense is apparently mighty hard to overcome.
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Here is PFF's OL unit summary ranking thru Week 10:
9. Cleveland Browns (74.4)If the memory of Thursday night against the Ravens is still fresh in your mind, rest assured that the Browns’ offensive line has been better than that most of the season, despite being stressed significantly by the QBs it has been protecting. Cody Kessler has shown promise as a rookie, but holds the ball too long much of the time, and is the league’s most-pressured QB largely because of his own failings, and not those of the line. That being said, this is where the grades begin to fall off and O-lines look seriously flawed. C Cameron Erving has been a major disappointment as a center, struggling to run block or pass protect, while even LT Joe Thomas has shown signs of being mortal.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-11/
Here is PFF's OL unit summary ranking thru Week 10:
9. Cleveland Browns (74.4)If the memory of Thursday night against the Ravens is still fresh in your mind, rest assured that the Browns’ offensive line has been better than that most of the season, despite being stressed significantly by the QBs it has been protecting. Cody Kessler has shown promise as a rookie, but holds the ball too long much of the time, and is the league’s most-pressured QB largely because of his own failings, and not those of the line. That being said, this is where the grades begin to fall off and O-lines look seriously flawed. C Cameron Erving has been a major disappointment as a center, struggling to run block or pass protect, while even LT Joe Thomas has shown signs of being mortal.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-11/
I wonder if our QB's who have been injured agree with all of that. Sure looked like Josh should have feared for his life the whole time he was in against the Ravens.
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It's graded on each players assignment so if one fucks up the whole thing could fall down. As it has.
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It's graded on each players assignment so if one fucks up the whole thing could fall down. As it has.
It's graded on each players assignment so if one fucks up the whole thing could fall down. As it has.
Correct... it's not a unit grade, but rather a "sum of the parts" grade.
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During both this season and last, I think many people have a cognitive bias to simply believe "The O Line Stinks" whenever the offense has a bad play.
Last season PFF showed it was the RB/TE/H-back who couldn't block at all. This season, much of the same plus Turnstile Erving. That's a Garbage Pail Kid name..
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We really DO need to get Pryor signed up.
He might not be great...but he doesn't drop a lot of balls...he's a playmaker. He's a threat. He's really athletic. We kind'a need guys like that.
...and at some point, the FO has to show that they can hang onto talent. Otherwise, who'd want to come here?
We have a brand new FO including a new structure and style. They've gone ahead and gutted their roster and drafted 14 guys. They get a pass on that. It's something somewhat expected in those situations. But now, they have to start showing that they're BUILDING the roster. To NOT get a deal done with Pryor will demonstrate the opposite.
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Here is PFF's OL unit summary ranking thru Week 10:
9. Cleveland Browns (74.4)If the memory of Thursday night against the Ravens is still fresh in your mind, rest assured that the Browns’ offensive line has been better than that most of the season, despite being stressed significantly by the QBs it has been protecting. Cody Kessler has shown promise as a rookie, but holds the ball too long much of the time, and is the league’s most-pressured QB largely because of his own failings, and not those of the line. That being said, this is where the grades begin to fall off and O-lines look seriously flawed. C Cameron Erving has been a major disappointment as a center, struggling to run block or pass protect, while even LT Joe Thomas has shown signs of being mortal.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-11/
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Joe Thomas tweeted this pic today. . .
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Joe Thomas tweeted this pic today. . .
Joe Thomas tweeted this pic today. . .
HA!....Nice!
He really has grown up.....I certainly wasnt expecting the guy we got......on the field or in the locker room....props
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I can't help but wonder what his agent demands at the end of the season. And his agent? None other than Drew Rosenhaus. And the packers have the hots for Pryor.
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It's getting to the point we need to get serious about signing these guys(Pryor and Collins).
I guess we could franchise tag one of them. I know I want to see them signed before the team sends me a bill for my season ticket renewal.
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