Harell lands with Browns

cambridgeho

Are all mini camps mandatory?

? AdaM

@cambridgeho said:
Are all mini camps mandatory?

Only if you want to make the team

cambridgeho

AdaM said:
Only if you want to make the team

So if BE is a no show, should we assume he is going to push for a trade.

? Masters

@cambridgeho said:
Are all mini camps mandatory?

NFL rules allow for x amount of manditory and x amount that are voluntary. We'll know when they are manditory.

ballpeen

@cambridgeho said:
Are all mini camps mandatory?

I don't know....I think they are, but since we get 4(new coach) v the normal 2, possibly 2 are exempt from that status.

Earl34

@clevelandfanforlife said:
why did harell's stock drop so far? at the beginning of the season he was seen as one of the best qbs in college football. now he is undrafted and wasn't even talked about in the combine. what happened?

He's a system QB. After the likes of Andre Ware, David Klingler, Kliff Kingsbury, etc.....no one really wants to take a shot. The one thing I do like about the kid is that he makes quick decisions. I think his arm is average and his athleticism is minimal otherwise. That said, Colt Brennan stuck with the Redskins last year and he was a similar QB.

thedawgs

its more obvious now than ever,,quinn at 1 ,,ratliff at 2 ,,and harrell at 3[no worse than dorsey] ,,da will only be a distraction to the team and quinns development and mangini knows this ,,now that they have ratliff ,who mangini is comfortable with there won't be a vacuum at the qb position if quinn were to get injured ,,the writing is on the wall ,,they'll move da for what ever they can get being nobody bit on him during the draft,,imho...

Adz1987

@thedawgs said:
its more obvious now than ever,,quinn at 1 ,,ratliff at 2 ,,and harrell at 3[no worse than dorsey] ,,da will only be a distraction to the team and quinns development and mangini knows this ,,now that they have ratliff ,who mangini is comfortable with there won't be a vacuum at the qb position if quinn were to get injured ,,the writing is on the wall ,,they'll move da for what ever they can get being nobody bit on him during the draft,,imho...

We can't have 3 QB's that have a total experience of 3 NFL games between them. Just isn't healthy

ballpeen

@earl34 said:
He's a system QB.

Seems to me all QBs are system QBs....Montana was a system QB. Put Peyton in a roll out system, he would flop, so yes....he is a system QB.

YtownBrownsBacker

@fooleeze said:
If it's true, that means we have 5 QBs (Quinn, Anderson, Ratliff, Bartell, and how Harrell).
That's a lot of QBs.

We have 4 mini camps and 2 two are voluntary. UDFA players need someone to throw the ball to them. Never know when you can find a diamond in the rough.

Last year RAC killed these guys in camp because he only had 3 guys. Quinn and Anderwon both had sore arms.

YtownBrownsBacker

@cambridgeho said:
We already have 4 qbs for mini camps. The only fa picks that are going to stick will be Norwood, and the OL from bama.

So, maybe someone should tell the other guys to not bother to show up.

There are all kind of UDFAs lining up on Sundays that guys like you never thought had a chance. One will be our starting safety and one is Cribbs. Oh and there's this guy in Pissburgh named Harrison.

So, you never know

Earl34

@ballpeen said:
Seems to me all QBs are system QBs....Montana was a system QB. Put Peyton in a roll out system, he would flop, so yes....he is a system QB.

That's a fair point. Perhaps, it is more accurate to say that some systems don't translate well into the NFL such as the spread/run and shoot. Colt Brennan managed to stick with the Redskins last year running a completely different offense than what he ran at Hawaii. Texas Tech QBs don't typically find even that kind of success.

ballpeen

@earl34 said:
That's a fair point. Perhaps, it is more accurate to say that some systems don't translate well into the NFL such as the spread/run and shoot. Colt Brennan managed to stick with the Redskins last year running a completely different offense than what he ran at Hawaii. Texas Tech QBs don't typically find even that kind of success.

And that would be a fair point as well.

I might disagree some wouldn't translate well to the NFL, but they don't run them, so it does mean a certain skill set is more desirable.

Oldcrow1945

@clevelandfanforlife said:
why did harell's stock drop so far? at the beginning of the season he was seen as one of the best qbs in college football. now he is undrafted and wasn't even talked about in the combine. what happened?

Much like the kid from Hawaii last year, he's purely a system QB.

I think Tebow will be the same, just as Alex Smith was under Meyer in Utah.

Solon16

@shepwrite said:
I like Harrell. He has more NFL quarterback potential than most of the spread guys, including Daniel. He has nice height and decent arm strength, great accuracy downfield. He could be somebody's third quarterback.
Like say, ours? After Quinn and Ratliff?

Guess you missed the senior bowl...it was derrick anderson in the probowl...esk!

crikes

@solon16 said:
Guess you missed the senior bowl...it was derrick anderson in the probowl...esk!

Dude does have a point DA was in the Probowl being a fluke or not - hell I remember being on the Kelly Holcomb bandwagon when he was throwing bombs until that horrible playoff game giving up 17 points in 5minutes to the fracking steelers in the forth quarter..... I wouldnt be suprised if we get better players out of UDFA's than the guys we drafted except for Robiskie (I feel he will mirror the likes of a Santonio Holmes type player yeeeeeee)

3074326

@earl34 said:
He's a system QB. After the likes of Andre Ware, David Klingler, Kliff Kingsbury, etc.....no one really wants to take a shot. The one thing I do like about the kid is that he makes quick decisions. I think his arm is average and his athleticism is minimal otherwise. That said, Colt Brennan stuck with the Redskins last year and he was a similar QB.

He has some things working for him. If he had a stronger arm he would've been drafted. He has a pretty weak arm. That being said, he's accurate and makes quick decisions as you said. Unfortunately, his defensive competition was below average and his offense was such an efficient college offense that it's really tough to get a read on how good his decision making is.

I do think he's better than Brennan, so Harrell should be able to make the team at least.

hoorta

@standish said:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/27/...ds-with-browns/
Someone's gotta be leaving right?

Ya know what I took from that? Crabtree is a Diva. Check. Anyone else notice the 20+TW carat Bling he was wearing on draft day? The guy is gonna want to get paid, and big time. Any bets that's he's going to hold out for a mega contract?

Legacy Fan

@hoorta said:
Ya know what I took from that? Crabtree is a Diva. Check. Anyone else notice the 20+TW carat Bling he was wearing on draft day? The guy is gonna want to get paid, and big time. Any bets that's he's going to hold out for a mega contract?

Agreed. Mankoke made a great decision with this one.

Oh, when can we officially become Harrell fags? Is it before or after the pink jersey's are printed?

3074326

@hoorta said:
Ya know what I took from that? Crabtree is a Diva. Check. Anyone else notice the 20+TW carat Bling he was wearing on draft day? The guy is gonna want to get paid, and big time. Any bets that's he's going to hold out for a mega contract?

In all fairness to Crabtree, I think there were a lot of players wearing bling. I think Aaron Curry was one of those guys, too, and he's considered the opposite of a diva, but I'm not sure on that one. There were many.