If this is true (just sell the team Jimmy)
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oh, come on. When you revamp your roster to have players who FIT your profile of a winning team -
it's going to be a struggle the first year. There isn't any magic twanger that starts out to build a winnning
team the right way, and go to the playoffs the first year.
the squealers sucked when they started out - Bradshaw nearly got booed out of town, he said they were
terrible.
It takes time to get your roster filled with the talent, the characteristics of winners who fit the TEAM profile.
If we'd had a solid secondary, we'd probably have 3-4 wins by now. I said it before - the Browns are kicking
ass often in the first half, then teams attack the secondary right after halftime and depending on how good
their passing attack it... game over.
It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder.
NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built
correctly - we're golden.
It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder.
NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built
correctly - we're golden.
That all sounds good, but we haven't even figured out how to start the car to go pick up the building permit.
I'm not in the fire Hue camp - although he lost a lot of my support with his benching of Cody, but can you honestly, and I do mean honestly say that the 14 games played this year, both pre and regular season, makes you think that we are on the right track? If yes, shit, I'd hate to see us on the wrong track.
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people had reservations about Horton I'm shocked. looking more and more like a choice between keeping the coaches and keeping the FO. Honestly I'm not sure which one i would keep if i were in jimmys spot. Probably the FO because they are more difficult to replace than coaches but only marginally and because of silly regulations.
my best guess is Sashi and Ray Horton but everything else remaining intact mostly.
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It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder.
NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built
correctly - we're golden.
That all sounds good, but we haven't even figured out how to start the car to go pick up the building permit.
I'm not in the fire Hue camp - although he lost a lot of my support with his benching of Cody, but can you honestly, and I do mean honestly say that the 14 games played this year, both pre and regular season, makes you think that we are on the right track? If yes, shit, I'd hate to see us on the wrong track.
That all sounds good, but we haven't even figured out how to start the car to go pick up the building permit.
I'm not in the fire Hue camp - although he lost a lot of my support with his benching of Cody, but can you honestly, and I do mean honestly say that the 14 games played this year, both pre and regular season, makes you think that we are on the right track? If yes, shit, I'd hate to see us on the wrong track.
If it were all about winning the first year - you'd keep what we had, sign some more FA's who only want to get more money,
keep some guys on the roster who don't care about trying to be champions, go 6-10, FA's then leave, draft star college
players only to have them not give a crap, that is the same old, same old of years previous.
Never has worked, except one freak year, and then it fell back to crap again.
It....does.....not......work. Richardson, Gordon, Manziel, Gilbert, and FA's in the past who wanted more money, but
didn't care to try to win...
nah. I see the Browns starting over, doing it the right way to finally FIX the mediocre mess once and for all.
In the past, we saw an offense that couldn't but rarely gain one yard for a first down, and a defense that got stampeded
on the ground from the beginning of a game to the end, .. embarrassed badly the whole game.
Now, you see the players all in, playing really tough, loving their situation, their lockerroom, their coaches, they
can move the ball against any other defense, to varying degrees, and a defense front seven that is getting meaner
and tougher to run on as the season progresses. Just one goal line stand this year has been a huge improvement.
with no injuries, this team would have won a few games right there.
Think of it this way - you get hopelessly lost in a forest... and you finally figure out how to have a chance
to find the trail again. You start down the trail, you are good. THINGS ARE LOOKING UP !
It doesn't no good to wail, bitch and moan because you aren't out of the woods yet. You are on the right trail,
and you will get there. You have a creek for water, fire to boil it, and berries and trail mix. You just haven't reached
your goal of getting out of the woods.
I just don't see geting outraged because you are still in the woods and not home eating supper yet.
On the right track is good. Hopelessly lost - not good. You are still in the woods in both scenarios.
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Here it is again, this irrational belief from some browns fans that stability is overrated...fire the coaches, then tear up the fo....now it's on to the owner must sell. As if there's some old gandalf wizard queer who's just dying to buy the Cleveland fucking browns. And he like does magic so the browns will immediately be SB contenders.
Please for the love of god it would be nice not to go 108 years like the cubs so can we pls let this process work even if it takes 8-10 years to get to the SB? Cause in the interim we're gonna enjoy some good competitive football
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Cause right now we are exactly what the other three north teams want, an easy divisional out
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oh, come on. When you revamp your roster to have players who FIT your profile of a winning team -
it's going to be a struggle the first year. There isn't any magic twanger that starts out to build a winnning
team the right way, and go to the playoffs the first year.
the squealers sucked when they started out - Bradshaw nearly got booed out of town, he said they were
terrible.
It takes time to get your roster filled with the talent, the characteristics of winners who fit the TEAM profile.
If we'd had a solid secondary, we'd probably have 3-4 wins by now. I said it before - the Browns are kicking
ass often in the first half, then teams attack the secondary right after halftime and depending on how good
their passing attack it... game over.
It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder.
NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built
correctly - we're golden.
oh, come on. When you revamp your roster to have players who FIT your profile of a winning team -
it's going to be a struggle the first year. There isn't any magic twanger that starts out to build a winning
team the right way, and go to the playoffs the first year.
the squealers sucked when they started out - Bradshaw nearly got booed out of town, he said they were
terrible.
It takes time to get your roster filled with the talent, the characteristics of winners who fit the TEAM profile.
If we'd had a solid secondary, we'd probably have 3-4 wins by now. I said it before - the Browns are kicking
ass often in the first half, then teams attack the secondary right after halftime and depending on how good
their passing attack it... game over.
It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder.
NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built
correctly - we're golden.
Yeah Cal- right now, we're sitting in that unfinished house with no roof, and it's raining pretty hard. I forgot to bring an umbrella. Playing hard, sure they all play as hard as they can, but most of those guys aren't very good. With Bitonio out the o-line is a sieve. Erving is another first round bust, and overall on a talent level, there are more holes on this team than swiss cheese. It's going to take more than a stellar 2017 draft to fix this mess.
Steelers? Kessler is no Bradshaw, and Shelton is no Mean Joe Greene. Sure, all the Browns have to do in the next four years is draft a succession of HOFers with their picks, like Harris, Lambert, Ham, Stallworth, Swann, Webster and a few others. SB, here we come. Too bad some of us might be dead by then. -
Right....thats camp #2....(except w/o the visible progress part)....(which is in the future somewhere?)...(next year?)
Ya, I would think so.
You replace Schwartz, Mack, Benjamin, and Gipson with rookies (or worse, in Mack's case) you're on your third QB (another rookie) by week 3, you've had more of your fair share of injuries (remember that Bitonio guy?) and "visible progress" is a tough call.
Visible progress next year ... this year, drink heavily. It's working for me.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Visible progress next year ... this year, drink heavily. It's working for me.
To paraphrase The Who... "Meet the new plan... same as the old plan."
So, is it the "plan" or an excuse?...lets have a fair look at this.....
injuries happen and reveal depth...we have injuries, but no depth....
As we did not last year... or the year before that... or...
In the past we had a stronger nucleus and tried to add depth. We didn't. Some was personnel selection, but the rest can be attributed to opportunity limits, i.e., lack of reps, lack of PT. Hard to develop without them.
Now we are playing our potential depth and can pinpoint where upgrade is needed. I feel I can see this most clearly in the OL, but also see it elsewhere.
Best example? Paz may never be RT starter quality, but his improvement there plus his showing at OG earlier already combine to give him depth value.
It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder. NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built correctly - we're golden.
The house worked better than the trail, but pretty much with you, cal... AKA virgin territory...
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Zombo said:
Visible progress next year ... this year, drink heavily. It's working for me.
To paraphrase The Who... "Meet the new plan... same as the old plan."
So, is it the "plan" or an excuse?...lets have a fair look at this.....
injuries happen and reveal depth...we have injuries, but no depth....
As we did not last year... or the year before that... or...
In the past we had a stronger nucleus and tried to add depth. We didn't. Some was personnel selection, but the rest can be attributed to opportunity limits, i.e., lack of reps, lack of PT. Hard to develop without them.
Now we are playing our potential depth and can pinpoint where upgrade is needed. I feel I can see this most clearly in the OL, but also see it elsewhere.
Best example? Paz may never be RT starter quality, but his improvement there plus his showing at OG earlier already combine to give him depth value.
It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder. NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built correctly - we're golden.
The house worked better than the trail, but pretty much with you, cal... AKA virgin territory...
Best example? Paz may never be RT starter quality, but his improvement there plus his showing at OG earlier already combine to give him depth value.
Per PFF, from week 4 on, Paz is the #9 overall T in the league, and the 1 RT in the NFL.. Extend the man now, because he's FA at the end of the season..
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Best example? Paz may never be RT starter quality, but his improvement there plus his showing at OG earlier already combine to give him depth value.
Per PFF, from week 4 on, Paz is the #9 overall T in the league, and the 1 RT in the NFL.. Extend the man now, because he's FA at the end of the season..
Per PFF, from week 4 on, Paz is the #9 overall T in the league, and the 1 RT in the NFL.. Extend the man now, because he's FA at the end of the season..
His ranking stems from his incredible run blocking at the spot. However in a league that now commonly has a good pass rusher on either side, Pasztor's limitations will be eventually exploited without further improvement or help.
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oh, come on. When you revamp your roster to have players who FIT your profile of a winning team -
it's going to be a struggle the first year. There isn't any magic twanger that starts out to build a winning
team the right way, and go to the playoffs the first year.
the squealers sucked when they started out - Bradshaw nearly got booed out of town, he said they were
terrible.
It takes time to get your roster filled with the talent, the characteristics of winners who fit the TEAM profile.
If we'd had a solid secondary, we'd probably have 3-4 wins by now. I said it before - the Browns are kicking
ass often in the first half, then teams attack the secondary right after halftime and depending on how good
their passing attack it... game over.
It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder.
NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built
correctly - we're golden.
Yeah Cal- right now, we're sitting in that unfinished house with no roof, and it's raining pretty hard. I forgot to bring an umbrella. Playing hard, sure they all play as hard as they can, but most of those guys aren't very good. With Bitonio out the o-line is a sieve. Erving is another first round bust, and overall on a talent level, there are more holes on this team than swiss cheese. It's going to take more than a stellar 2017 draft to fix this mess.
Steelers? Kessler is no Bradshaw, and Shelton is no Mean Joe Greene. Sure, all the Browns have to do in the next four years is draft a succession of HOFers with their picks, like Harris, Lambert, Ham, Stallworth, Swann, Webster and a few others. SB, here we come. Too bad some of us might be dead by then.Yeah Cal- right now, we're sitting in that unfinished house with no roof, and it's raining pretty hard. I forgot to bring an umbrella. Playing hard, sure they all play as hard as they can, but most of those guys aren't very good. With Bitonio out the o-line is a sieve. Erving is another first round bust, and overall on a talent level, there are more holes on this team than swiss cheese. It's going to take more than a stellar 2017 draft to fix this mess.
Steelers? Kessler is no Bradshaw, and Shelton is no Mean Joe Greene. Sure, all the Browns have to do in the next four years is draft a succession of HOFers with their picks, like Harris, Lambert, Ham, Stallworth, Swann, Webster and a few others. SB, here we come. Too bad some of us might be dead by then.The secret, FYI, Mr. Hoorta,
is to be old enough to have had a crush on Haley Mills when I was ten yrs old.......
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Yeah Cal- right now, we're sitting in that unfinished house with no roof, and it's raining pretty hard. I forgot to bring an umbrella. Playing hard, sure they all play as hard as they can, but most of those guys aren't very good. With Bitonio out the o-line is a sieve. Erving is another first round bust, and overall on a talent level, there are more holes on this team than swiss cheese. It's going to take more than a stellar 2017 draft to fix this mess.
Steelers? Kessler is no Bradshaw, and Shelton is no Mean Joe Greene. Sure, all the Browns have to do in the next four years is draft a succession of HOFers with their picks, like Harris, Lambert, Ham, Stallworth, Swann, Webster and a few others. SB, here we come. Too bad some of us might be dead by then.The secret, FYI, Mr. Hoorta,
is to be old enough to have had a crush on Haley Mills when I was ten yrs old.......
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Best example? Paz may never be RT starter quality, but his improvement there plus his showing at OG earlier already combine to give him depth value.
Per PFF, from week 4 on, Paz is the #9 overall T in the league, and the 1 RT in the NFL.. Extend the man now, because he's FA at the end of the season..
Per PFF, from week 4 on, Paz is the #9 overall T in the league, and the 1 RT in the NFL.. Extend the man now, because he's FA at the end of the season..
where is Andre Peat Saints? Looked like Peat made Von Miller disappear this week.
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Is Peat back at OT? My one-time #1 was making a living in the interior OL last I'd seen...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Is Peat back at OT? My one-time #1 was making a living in the interior OL last I'd seen...
Is Peat back at OT? My one-time #1 was making a living in the interior OL last I'd seen...
Saints starting LT Terron Armstead was out. Saints moved Peat to LT & a Strief(UDFA) to RT. Ware & Von got shut down from either side. Good OL play may only reside in Dallas, but this surprised me. Denver had 1 sack. but it was "the master of pocket Puppet". Drew Brees. (check the tape, not many look like Peat
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The secret, FYI, Mr. Hoorta,
is to be old enough to have had a crush on Haley Mills when I was ten yrs old.......
I liked Annette Funicello better.
Haley was in some dorkey movies. -
Tour, please don't discount haslam intervention. If anything it's under reported.
I did not realize you work in the Browns FO...
Without endangering your livelihood can you comment further? Is Jimmah's meddling under-reported because it is in areas of no concern?
Nope just live local and read a lot. Shaw, triv and Pluto all have discussed haslam's meddling. And if you ever wonder why we never have any depth on the team..... Maybe under acknowledged is a better term than reported. I've come to the conclusion he's a total idiot after the whole flying J investigation. All his execs were robbing the customers outa millions and James had nary a clue. He's driving the car while his ole lady has sex in the backseat.I did not realize you work in the Browns FO...
Without endangering your livelihood can you comment further? Is Jimmah's meddling under-reported because it is in areas of no concern?
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It's simple enough to get lots of info on the Haslam's and the way they use a hands on approach to running the team. Especially the areas they know little to nothing about. Google it. Simple. Just type in Browns news. And the people reporting it are with the team and in the building routinely.
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oh, come on. When you revamp your roster to have players who FIT your profile of a winning team -
it's going to be a struggle the first year. There isn't any magic twanger that starts out to build a winnning
team the right way, and go to the playoffs the first year.
the squealers sucked when they started out - Bradshaw nearly got booed out of town, he said they were
terrible.
It takes time to get your roster filled with the talent, the characteristics of winners who fit the TEAM profile.
If we'd had a solid secondary, we'd probably have 3-4 wins by now. I said it before - the Browns are kicking
ass often in the first half, then teams attack the secondary right after halftime and depending on how good
their passing attack it... game over.
It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder.
NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built
correctly - we're golden.
It's like building a great house, and it rains, and some fans raise hell and want to fire the builder.
NO. The shingles aren't on, the windows not installed, driveway not paved. As long as the house is built
correctly - we're golden.
i'd fire the builder if he didn't cover the house in tyvek. then who cares about rain or shingles?
yeah, i've done that too.
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