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  • @the-gipper said:

    I think, after the Bowl games the SEC did come out ahead in 2015. Here is what I found at one point through this season:

    SEC vs. ACC

    W L T Win % PFPG PAPG

    2016 2 3 0 40.0 26.4 30.0

    2015 6 4 0 60.0 27.0 26.5

    2014 3 5 0 37.5 30.0 29.8

    Some other games may have been played since the ACC had that 3-2 advantage.

    Only three times in the past 13 years has the ACC had a season in which they had more victories than defeats against the SEC.

    The ACC is not better than the SEC.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Only three times in the past 13 years has the ACC had a season in which they had more victories than defeats against the SEC.

    The ACC WAS not better than the SEC.

    Fixed.

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Only three times in the past 13 years has the ACC had a season in which they had more victories than defeats against the SEC.

    The ACC WAS not better than the SEC.

    Fixed.

    @the-gipper said:

    Fixed.

    Still isn't, but if you want to cling on to your one game in 2016...by all means.

    In that same vein, however, the Cleveland Browns ARE the worst franchise in the NFL.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Fixed.

    Still isn't, but if you want to cling on to your one game in 2016...by all means.

    In that same vein, however, the Cleveland Browns ARE the worst franchise in the NFL.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Still isn't, but if you want to cling on to your one game in 2016...by all means.

    In that same vein, however, the Cleveland Browns ARE the worst franchise in the NFL.

    Over the last 3 year period, the ACC has a winning record vs. the SEC. Sorry if that fact is inconvenient.

    And....the thing is, though the Browns, yes, seem to be worse than anyone else.....they could still lose out on the #1 pick to the 49ers....and they could possibly steal the guy we want in the draft.

    (though....I don't think they should. I think Kaepernick is still a good QB....that he should continue to start for them......and they should take other needs in the draft than QB....so we can take Trubisky)

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Still isn't, but if you want to cling on to your one game in 2016...by all means.

    In that same vein, however, the Cleveland Browns ARE the worst franchise in the NFL.

    Over the last 3 year period, the ACC has a winning record vs. the SEC. Sorry if that fact is inconvenient.

    And....the thing is, though the Browns, yes, seem to be worse than anyone else.....they could still lose out on the #1 pick to the 49ers....and they could possibly steal the guy we want in the draft.

    (though....I don't think they should. I think Kaepernick is still a good QB....that he should continue to start for them......and they should take other needs in the draft than QB....so we can take Trubisky)

    @the-gipper said:

    Over the last 3 year period, the ACC has a winning record vs. the SEC. Sorry if that fact is inconvenient.

    And....the thing is, though the Browns, yes, seem to be worse than anyone else.....they could still lose out on the #1 pick to the 49ers....and they could possibly steal the guy we want in the draft.

    (though....I don't think they should. I think Kaepernick is still a good QB....that he should continue to start for them......and they should take other needs in the draft than QB....so we can take Trubisky)

    Right...by one game over that span. Once bowl games come and go, it will be back to normal. No more No.2 Clemson playing unranked Auburn.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Over the last 3 year period, the ACC has a winning record vs. the SEC. Sorry if that fact is inconvenient.

    And....the thing is, though the Browns, yes, seem to be worse than anyone else.....they could still lose out on the #1 pick to the 49ers....and they could possibly steal the guy we want in the draft.

    (though....I don't think they should. I think Kaepernick is still a good QB....that he should continue to start for them......and they should take other needs in the draft than QB....so we can take Trubisky)

    Right...by one game over that span. Once bowl games come and go, it will be back to normal. No more No.2 Clemson playing unranked Auburn.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Right...by one game over that span. Once bowl games come and go, it will be back to normal. No more No.2 Clemson playing unranked Auburn.

    Except for Alabama, every other SEC team this year is mediocre or worse. Sure Bama may take care of a Clemson....and someone may beat Wake Forest.....otherwise I would venture to say that any bowl matchups between an SEC and an ACC team would likely see the ACC team the odds favorite.

    Florida vs. FSU will be a big prove it game.

  • Ray Horton is the defensive version of Maurice Carthon. If he wasn't black, he would be the asst. LB coach.

    @ballpeen said:

    Ray Horton is the defensive version of Maurice Carthon. If he wasn't black, he would be the asst. LB coach.

    Belichick wouldn't have gotten much more out of this group this year, if at all. Horton had one year the last time he was here and it was a rebuild. This is an even bigger rebuild and it's not even a full year in. Unfortunately it will take at least another 1-2 years to know if this defense under Horton is going anywhere. If the players improve on an individual basis that we can all see, but the overall defense still sucks than we know it's a coach thing.

    If I see Nassib next year holding lineman off him and powering around the edge proper like, but Horton keeps pin holing him into the 5 tech where he's got to go up against guard and tackle constantly...than you can say there is a case of improper personnel assignment. All on the coaches.

  • @ballpeen said:

    Ray Horton is the defensive version of Maurice Carthon. If he wasn't black, he would be the asst. LB coach.

    Belichick wouldn't have gotten much more out of this group this year, if at all. Horton had one year the last time he was here and it was a rebuild. This is an even bigger rebuild and it's not even a full year in. Unfortunately it will take at least another 1-2 years to know if this defense under Horton is going anywhere. If the players improve on an individual basis that we can all see, but the overall defense still sucks than we know it's a coach thing.

    If I see Nassib next year holding lineman off him and powering around the edge proper like, but Horton keeps pin holing him into the 5 tech where he's got to go up against guard and tackle constantly...than you can say there is a case of improper personnel assignment. All on the coaches.

    @clevfan4life said:

    Belichick wouldn't have gotten much more out of this group this year, if at all.

    Belichick would never have let "this group" happen......period

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Right...by one game over that span. Once bowl games come and go, it will be back to normal. No more No.2 Clemson playing unranked Auburn.

    Except for Alabama, every other SEC team this year is mediocre or worse. Sure Bama may take care of a Clemson....and someone may beat Wake Forest.....otherwise I would venture to say that any bowl matchups between an SEC and an ACC team would likely see the ACC team the odds favorite.

    Florida vs. FSU will be a big prove it game.

    @the-gipper said:

    Except for Alabama, every other SEC team this year is mediocre or worse. Sure Bama may take care of a Clemson....and someone may beat Wake Forest.....otherwise I would venture to say that any bowl matchups between an SEC and an ACC team would likely see the ACC team the odds favorite.

    Florida vs. FSU will be a big prove it game.

    Ha. 1-14 playing each other would be an absolute drubbing. It'd be even worse if they actually had to play our schedules.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Except for Alabama, every other SEC team this year is mediocre or worse. Sure Bama may take care of a Clemson....and someone may beat Wake Forest.....otherwise I would venture to say that any bowl matchups between an SEC and an ACC team would likely see the ACC team the odds favorite.

    Florida vs. FSU will be a big prove it game.

    Ha. 1-14 playing each other would be an absolute drubbing. It'd be even worse if they actually had to play our schedules.

    @wargograw said:

    Ha. 1-14 playing each other would be an absolute drubbing. It'd be even worse if they actually had to play our schedules.

    Who the fuck are "We"?

  • Didn't say we.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Belichick wouldn't have gotten much more out of this group this year, if at all.

    Belichick would never have let "this group" happen......period

    @mudfly said:

    Belichick would never have let "this group" happen......period

    Yep

  • Didn't say we.

    @wargograw said:

    Didn't say we.

    You and the mouse in your pocket....or is that a mouse, or are you just glad to see me?

  • If?

    WSS

  • @wargograw said:

    Didn't say we.

    You and the mouse in your pocket....or is that a mouse, or are you just glad to see me?

    @the-gipper said:

    You and the mouse in your pocket....or is that a mouse, or are you just glad to see me?

    God bless ya! You've got a lot of Eddie Haskell in you.

    Can you imagine the look on Wally Cleaver's face when Eddie Haskell was repeating this at the bus stop? "Ward, don't you think you were a little hard on the beaver last night?"

  • Didn't say we.

    @wargograw said:

    Didn't say we.

    You said "Our". Same difference.

  • The ole delayed double response.