Camp Trubisky
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I agree Canton... they need to build a team that can support a qb before putting all their eggs in that basket.
I agree Canton... they need to build a team that can support a qb before putting all their eggs in that basket.
ALL their eggs won't be in that basket. Just one big egg....the #1 overall. But there are a lot of other eggs. Maybe as high as #9. #33...possibly around #45, #65.
So, one egg will be on top....but there are other eggs.
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I tell you what, the more I look at the draft, the more I see some possibilities for us getting Garrett and Trubisky. It will obviously cost us some draft picks, but it doesn't appear completely impossible. We basically have to hope that Kizer's stock gets hot, and then we have to hope that one of the 49's or Bears takes Jonathan Allen instead of a QB. Once you get past the third pick, there is a range of teams all the way to 9th that won't be taking QB...possibly higher. The Cardinals have the 9th pick (at this time, obviously) and they MAY take a QB as Palmer grows older and less efficient. Trading up from around 15 to 8 or 9...that's not impossible, and that wouldn't cost as much as people might think.
I tell you what, the more I look at the draft, the more I see some possibilities for us getting Garrett and Trubisky. It will obviously cost us some draft picks, but it doesn't appear completely impossible. We basically have to hope that Kizer's stock gets hot, and then we have to hope that one of the 49's or Bears takes Jonathan Allen instead of a QB. Once you get past the third pick, there is a range of teams all the way to 9th that won't be taking QB...possibly higher. The Cardinals have the 9th pick (at this time, obviously) and they MAY take a QB as Palmer grows older and less efficient. Trading up from around 15 to 8 or 9...that's not impossible, and that wouldn't cost as much as people might think.
Why do you think that Garrett would last until 8 or 9.
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Absolutely not! We don't need another qb to stand back there and get put on the IR. No qbs till the lines fixed.
And what all needs fixed?
I'm pretty sure we just need to get a decent Center, and keep our other guys healthy. Thomas/Bitonio/Greco/Pasztor that's not that bad of a group. Hell, Coleman and Drango will have a year under their belt and may win starting jobs next year if they get stronger and stay healthy. Maybe our staff can get the 1st round talent out of J.Cooper... he may start next week, so we might see.
I would argue it's the QBs holding onto the ball too long that's getting them in trouble, which also gets the O-line in trouble with injuries and holding penalties as they have to hold blocks longer.
I've seen great QB's perform at a high level with even less time than ours. Turbisky is one example. He spent all year with less time than any Browns QB, and yet look at the numbers he put up... granted that's in college. Another one is Andrew Luck. He may not be setting the world on fire, but the Colts are sure as hell doing better than we are, despite a weak o-line...
You can't just blame all the injuries on the O-line...
And what all needs fixed?
I'm pretty sure we just need to get a decent Center, and keep our other guys healthy. Thomas/Bitonio/Greco/Pasztor that's not that bad of a group. Hell, Coleman and Drango will have a year under their belt and may win starting jobs next year if they get stronger and stay healthy. Maybe our staff can get the 1st round talent out of J.Cooper... he may start next week, so we might see.
I would argue it's the QBs holding onto the ball too long that's getting them in trouble, which also gets the O-line in trouble with injuries and holding penalties as they have to hold blocks longer.
I've seen great QB's perform at a high level with even less time than ours. Turbisky is one example. He spent all year with less time than any Browns QB, and yet look at the numbers he put up... granted that's in college. Another one is Andrew Luck. He may not be setting the world on fire, but the Colts are sure as hell doing better than we are, despite a weak o-line...
You can't just blame all the injuries on the O-line...
Well, yes the OL needs SOME fixing....but there certainly are still some quality players there. Thing is, with an OL, it is no better usually than its weakest link.
We have one major weak link: Erving. Injuries hve weakened the line somewhat....and another FA OL perhaps is in order.
But, its not like we have to get a whole new 5 guys. Bito back and 1 or 2 others. is what it will take.
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Absolutely not! We don't need another qb to stand back there and get put on the IR. No qbs till the lines fixed.
And what all needs fixed?
I'm pretty sure we just need to get a decent Center, and keep our other guys healthy. Thomas/Bitonio/Greco/Pasztor that's not that bad of a group. Hell, Coleman and Drango will have a year under their belt and may win starting jobs next year if they get stronger and stay healthy. Maybe our staff can get the 1st round talent out of J.Cooper... he may start next week, so we might see.
I would argue it's the QBs holding onto the ball too long that's getting them in trouble, which also gets the O-line in trouble with injuries and holding penalties as they have to hold blocks longer.
I've seen great QB's perform at a high level with even less time than ours. Turbisky is one example. He spent all year with less time than any Browns QB, and yet look at the numbers he put up... granted that's in college. Another one is Andrew Luck. He may not be setting the world on fire, but the Colts are sure as hell doing better than we are, despite a weak o-line...
You can't just blame all the injuries on the O-line...
And what all needs fixed?
I'm pretty sure we just need to get a decent Center, and keep our other guys healthy. Thomas/Bitonio/Greco/Pasztor that's not that bad of a group. Hell, Coleman and Drango will have a year under their belt and may win starting jobs next year if they get stronger and stay healthy. Maybe our staff can get the 1st round talent out of J.Cooper... he may start next week, so we might see.
I would argue it's the QBs holding onto the ball too long that's getting them in trouble, which also gets the O-line in trouble with injuries and holding penalties as they have to hold blocks longer.
I've seen great QB's perform at a high level with even less time than ours. Turbisky is one example. He spent all year with less time than any Browns QB, and yet look at the numbers he put up... granted that's in college. Another one is Andrew Luck. He may not be setting the world on fire, but the Colts are sure as hell doing better than we are, despite a weak o-line...
You can't just blame all the injuries on the O-line...
Need a center? Did you say center? Buckeye Homer Central- I want this guy. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pat_elflein_807139.html
Not totally homerism, he does have some credentials.... http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-elflein-named-outland-trophy-finalist/
Nothing like having a "Elf" on the Browns. Can play guard too. Problem is he might not last until pick #33.
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And what all needs fixed?
I'm pretty sure we just need to get a decent Center, and keep our other guys healthy. Thomas/Bitonio/Greco/Pasztor that's not that bad of a group. Hell, Coleman and Drango will have a year under their belt and may win starting jobs next year if they get stronger and stay healthy. Maybe our staff can get the 1st round talent out of J.Cooper... he may start next week, so we might see.
I would argue it's the QBs holding onto the ball too long that's getting them in trouble, which also gets the O-line in trouble with injuries and holding penalties as they have to hold blocks longer.
I've seen great QB's perform at a high level with even less time than ours. Turbisky is one example. He spent all year with less time than any Browns QB, and yet look at the numbers he put up... granted that's in college. Another one is Andrew Luck. He may not be setting the world on fire, but the Colts are sure as hell doing better than we are, despite a weak o-line...
You can't just blame all the injuries on the O-line...
Need a center? Did you say center? Buckeye Homer Central- I want this guy. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pat_elflein_807139.html
Not totally homerism, he does have some credentials.... http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-elflein-named-outland-trophy-finalist/
Nothing like having a "Elf" on the Browns. Can play guard too. Problem is he might not last until pick #33.
Need a center? Did you say center? Buckeye Homer Central- I want this guy. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pat_elflein_807139.html
Not totally homerism, he does have some credentials.... http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-elflein-named-outland-trophy-finalist/
Nothing like having a "Elf" on the Browns. Can play guard too. Problem is he might not last until pick #33.
Yes, please.
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We do have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds. They "should" all be starter quality. A QB, OC, OLB, and maybe a CB. "Could" make a huge impact... I doubt we do much in FA other than resign Pryor and Crowell.
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The one-year starter thing does not scare me off at all. Look at Tannehill... he was a converted WR who had VERY little QB experience. It took a few more years than you would like, but now his team is 7-4, he threw for over 4,000 yards with a +65% comp in 2015, and this year he has thrown for over 2,500 yds, @ 66% with a 94.7 QB rating.
He may have started off a little rocky, but now it looks like they got the franchise QB they wanted.
The one-year starter thing does not scare me off at all. Look at Tannehill... he was a converted WR who had VERY little QB experience. It took a few more years than you would like, but now his team is 7-4, he threw for over 4,000 yards with a +65% comp in 2015, and this year he has thrown for over 2,500 yds, @ 66% with a 94.7 QB rating.
He may have started off a little rocky, but now it looks like they got the franchise QB they wanted.
Yeah... pffft... Ryan only threw for just shy of 8000 yards as a two-year starter in High School, had 20 starts at A&M. You call that experience?
And it only took him 4 years to get to "good" in the NFL. We can wait...
Should I have put the above in pink as well?
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More gleaming gems of advanced statistics like this, please.
I don't have a link but I remember what Horta is talking about. I remember because it was an issue with Sanchez when his coach (I want to say it was Carroll but not positive) made a big hoopla that he didn't stay at USC for another year.
Obviously I don't remember those stats off the top of my head but, if I recall correctly, it was an extremely negitive correlation. When I say a negative correlation, I mean no positives results. Granted, I'm sure the sample size was very small, but it made enough of an impression on me to where it makes me hesitant.
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The one-year starter thing does not scare me off at all. Look at Tannehill... he was a converted WR who had VERY little QB experience. It took a few more years than you would like, but now his team is 7-4, he threw for over 4,000 yards with a +65% comp in 2015, and this year he has thrown for over 2,500 yds, @ 66% with a 94.7 QB rating.
He may have started off a little rocky, but now it looks like they got the franchise QB they wanted.
Yeah... pffft... Ryan only threw for just shy of 8000 yards as a two-year starter in High School, had 20 starts at A&M. You call that experience?
And it only took him 4 years to get to "good" in the NFL. We can wait...
Should I have put the above in pink as well?
Yeah... pffft... Ryan only threw for just shy of 8000 yards as a two-year starter in High School, had 20 starts at A&M. You call that experience?
And it only took him 4 years to get to "good" in the NFL. We can wait...
Should I have put the above in pink as well?
Yeah, he was a QB his entire life. Came to campus as a QB. Practiced with the QBs even while playing receiver. He only played receiver because a new head coach brought in the WCO to a triple option team that had no receivers.
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And what all needs fixed?
I'm pretty sure we just need to get a decent Center, and keep our other guys healthy. Thomas/Bitonio/Greco/Pasztor that's not that bad of a group. Hell, Coleman and Drango will have a year under their belt and may win starting jobs next year if they get stronger and stay healthy. Maybe our staff can get the 1st round talent out of J.Cooper... he may start next week, so we might see.
I would argue it's the QBs holding onto the ball too long that's getting them in trouble, which also gets the O-line in trouble with injuries and holding penalties as they have to hold blocks longer.
I've seen great QB's perform at a high level with even less time than ours. Turbisky is one example. He spent all year with less time than any Browns QB, and yet look at the numbers he put up... granted that's in college. Another one is Andrew Luck. He may not be setting the world on fire, but the Colts are sure as hell doing better than we are, despite a weak o-line...
You can't just blame all the injuries on the O-line...
Need a center? Did you say center? Buckeye Homer Central- I want this guy. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pat_elflein_807139.html
Not totally homerism, he does have some credentials.... http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-elflein-named-outland-trophy-finalist/
Nothing like having a "Elf" on the Browns. Can play guard too. Problem is he might not last until pick #33.
Need a center? Did you say center? Buckeye Homer Central- I want this guy. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pat_elflein_807139.html
Not totally homerism, he does have some credentials.... http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-elflein-named-outland-trophy-finalist/
Nothing like having a "Elf" on the Browns. Can play guard too. Problem is he might not last until pick #33.
I could live with either him or Pocic from LSU. Likely have to be our highest 2nd rounder, depending upon where that 2nd one is and who has been taken already.
Walterfootball has the Elf going as a guard instead of as center. Sounds versatile anyway.
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Need a center? Did you say center? Buckeye Homer Central- I want this guy. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/pat_elflein_807139.html
Not totally homerism, he does have some credentials.... http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/pat-elflein-named-outland-trophy-finalist/
Nothing like having a "Elf" on the Browns. Can play guard too. Problem is he might not last until pick #33.
I could live with either him or Pocic from LSU. Likely have to be our highest 2nd rounder, depending upon where that 2nd one is and who has been taken already.
Walterfootball has the Elf going as a guard instead of as center. Sounds versatile anyway.
I could live with either him or Pocic from LSU. Likely have to be our highest 2nd rounder, depending upon where that 2nd one is and who has been taken already.
Walterfootball has the Elf going as a guard instead of as center. Sounds versatile anyway.
So did Cam Erving.
WSS
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right....I hated the Erving pick, but quicky accepted it and starting touting his versatility.....trying to justify, in my mind, that his jack of all trades projections would benefit the team...which needed multiple OL....
Just failed to recognize his master of none attributes....
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right....I hated the Erving pick, but quicky accepted it and starting touting his versatility.....trying to justify, in my mind, that his jack of all trades projections would benefit the team...which needed multiple OL....
Just failed to recognize his master of none attributes....
right....I hated the Erving pick, but quicky accepted it and starting touting his versatility.....trying to justify, in my mind, that his jack of all trades projections would benefit the team...which needed multiple OL....
Just failed to recognize his master of none attributes....
...the thing that really got ME about Erving was that when he was underachieving as a guard, people started talking about him going back to his 'natural' position - center - and that then he would be good. And I was like, "Why? He only played 5 games at center in his college career." - That Farmer, he can really pick 'em.
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Why? Because Center is oh-so much different than OG...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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PFF haters can get their knives out...
Mitch is their 31st ranked prospect out of 32 in the class of '17... and he is a distant 2nd to the only other QB on the list.
Otherwise there are a lot of names that are very popular around here... led by Garrett and Allen at #1 and #2 respectively.
Let the PFF barbecue begin...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-top-32-prospects-for-2017-nfl-draft/
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
"....he might jump at the chance to compete in a weak quarterback class where his inexperience will likely be overlooked."
Calling Browns FO, calling Browns FO...............................here's number twenty whatever just awaiting a shot at the meat grinder.
You know they are going to do it. It's what they do.
Maybe I'll send that idea into GEICO for draft day.
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PFF haters can get their knives out...
Mitch is their 31st ranked prospect out of 32 in the class of '17... and he is a distant 2nd to the only other QB on the list.
Otherwise there are a lot of names that are very popular around here... led by Garrett and Allen at #1 and #2 respectively.
Let the PFF barbecue begin...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-top-32-prospects-for-2017-nfl-draft/
And PFF graded out Higgins over Pryor after the Giants game...so much for PFF.PFF haters can get their knives out...
Mitch is their 31st ranked prospect out of 32 in the class of '17... and he is a distant 2nd to the only other QB on the list.
Otherwise there are a lot of names that are very popular around here... led by Garrett and Allen at #1 and #2 respectively.
Let the PFF barbecue begin...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-top-32-prospects-for-2017-nfl-draft/
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