Camp Trubisky

[wargograw]

Tannehill started 6 (maybe 7) games in 2010 then 2011. That was it. Unless starting as a WR counts.

[Mark O]

@wargograw said:

Tannehill started 6 (maybe 7) games in 2010 then 2011. That was it. Unless starting as a WR counts.

Yep...and the jury is still out on him as well.

[hoorta]

@mudfly said:

a quick look at the CBS board shows Trubisky just fell all the way back to 16....and now Watson has climbed into the first position....

Fickle media switches up completely from one game.....

One so-so game drops you 15 spots? Ohhhh- I just LOVE that super stud Watson- NOT!!!

@canton-dawg said:

Watson is a turnover machine, he reminds me of Michael Vick 2.0.

No, not exactly. He more reminds me of the guy we already have on our roster. RG III. Vick- who I watched extensively in college had by far the better arm. Great college qb, with a skill set that will, IMHO opinion not translate well to the NFL. Forget about running Deshawn- you're no 250 pound Cam Newton. Accuracy below NFL standards, and those high arching rainbows you toss on the deep outs are going to get run down by NFL corner backs. Even OSUs did likewise. If some scouts have him in the 3rd round- sounds about right. Mitch is 5X the pro prospect.

[runyon27]

@hoorta said:

One so-so game drops you 15 spots? Ohhhh- I just LOVE that super stud Watson- NOT!!!

No, not exactly. He more reminds me of the guy we already have on our roster. RG III. Vick- who I watched extensively in college had by far the better arm. Great college qb, with a skill set that will, IMHO opinion not translate well to the NFL. Forget about running Deshawn- you're no 250 pound Cam Newton. Accuracy below NFL standards, and those high arching rainbows you toss on the deep outs are going to get run down by NFL corner backs. Even OSUs did likewise. If some scouts have him in the 3rd round- sounds about right. Mitch is 5X the pro prospect.

I live in NC so I saw a lot of Trubisky and Watson. I really watched Watson and Clemson games because he had a lot of hype. He was OK overall and I am shocked he was a Heisman candidate, he was awful in some games like NCSU and Troy. He missed too many throws and makes too many dumb throws. I was disaffected by Watson early on. Trubisky needs work, but he is more accurate and his long ball is better and in general makes better decisions. But he may need to sit a year.

[runyon27]

@flugel said:

While I'd rather go the Jimmy G route at QB I can see why Hoorta, Gipper and others have some queer eye for Trubi-sky. I couldn't wait to watch him yesterday to see if he could overcome some questions I had.

I've seen 2 games his team lost this year. Both times his Receivers had multiple drops while he really impressed me at escaping trouble. His line kept him in trouble a lot so Cleveland might not be as big of a culture shock as some may think. The one thing he didn't always do when he escaped trouble was keep his eyes down field for WRs breaking open. Ben Rapen used to do that a lot early on when he was less seasoned before he started hitting WRs/RBs/TEs breaking open after/while escaping pocket pressure.

Potential red flags: Locking onto the primary target doesn't project one is ready to read progressions against more complicated NFL schemes. It also leads to turnovers as we saw. Starting only 1 year keeps a lot of questions in play for a potential investor.

Potential buried treasure: Does not panic under pressure, which prepares him well for a line like our's. He's learned he needs to get rid of it quickly. Also, if someone drops a pass in the end zone - he proved he can overcome it with another accurate throw in the end zone. Big, strong, elusive and accurate doesn't suck either.

If you invest in a QB - you have to protect your investment (with better surroundings/protection than the Coyote Ugly we have continued to give QBs here since 99). Look no further than the difference in settings that Goff and Prescott were given. Handing a young QB a 7-0 deficit every time he has his 1st possession doesn't help at all.

WIthout a doubt we need to seriously invest in fixing the OL. RT was awful all season, center wasn't great either. Will definitely help though getting Greco and Bitonio back we were better up front when they were there.

[TexasAg1969]

@mark-o said:

I like that plan as well. I'm not sold on Triblowski...I watched the 2nd half of that game and he looks like a guy who needs a lot of work and that's not a guy I'd like taking in the top 10 of the first round when we could pick a couple of defensive wrecking balls. That dude from Tennessee looked impressive and broke Reggie Whites school record for sacks. Allen from Alabama and that guy in the first round and watch how much better the team gets.

I could live with Allen and Barnett, but I think our FO would have to trade up to get him. He is a top 10er.

[Westside Steve]

@mudfly said:

what about expecting a #1 overall pick performance?

Cardale Jones had one of those didn't he?

WSS

[Mudfly]

@westside-steve said:

Cardale Jones had one of those didn't he?

WSS

Not in my eyes, he didnt......was never remotely close to being a top #1 type of prospect

[Flugel]

@runyon27 said:

WIthout a doubt we need to seriously invest in fixing the OL. RT was awful all season, center wasn't great either. Will definitely help though getting Greco and Bitonio back we were better up front when they were there.

The RT the Titans drafted after trading down from their 1st pick overall was a HUGE spark. He also kept the impressive pass rushing edges of KC and Denver without a sack while their running game improved a whole heapa-hope-a...

[The Gipper]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Gippers boner is solely because he's a Cleveland-ish guy.

Well, you are a fucking idiot if you think that. Go ahead, say it to yourself: "I, Tim Couch Pulls out, am a fucking idiot". After you say it you will see how right it sounds.

Guaranteed he wouldn't give a fuck otherwise if the guy was from anywhere else. He's probably only watched one ESPN highlight reel and declared him to be "better than anyone from the last two years".

And you are so much smarter, because, what? You have transgender notions?

Guaranteed he ends up with a lower draft profile score than Winston, Goff and probably Mariota too. Possibly even Bortles and Wentz.

And maybe lower than Brandon Weeden, and Brady Quinn, and Johnny Manziel, and Ryan Leaf.

Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and who knows who else probably had lower scores than those guys as well.

I will take the next Aaron Rodgers.

[The Gipper]

@hoorta said:

Not sure. Left the door open though. As the NFL article said- far from a finished product. I like his upside. If we could get Garrett\Allen and Mitch, I'd be very happy. Don't even know yet if he'll declare or not, and if he does, the combine awaits. If he's in the draft, I can't see him falling out of the top 5. Of those teams, only the Jags might not be interested in a QB upgrade.

There is hardly a QB in NFL history that came out near to a finished product. You can probably count on one hand those QBs that were that.

Marino (but not Elway)

Otto Graham

Maybe Russell Wilson

I mean, fuck.....RGIII had what is considered one of the best rookie seasons ever in NFL history.

not Payton Manning, not Tom Brady, not Terry Bradshaw, not Troy Aikman

[The Gipper]

@mld-woody said:

No.

Just no.

You have Michigan pissant colors so far up you cunt that you can't see straight. You would have us take Jake Butt #1 overall.

[The Gipper]

@mudfly said:

a quick look at the CBS board shows Trubisky just fell all the way back to 16....and now Watson has climbed into the first position....

Fickle media switches up completely from one game.....

That's the problem. NFL teams don't draft in accordance with the "fickle media" rankings.

Sure, if the Browns could get a killer defensive player with #1, and Trubisky with #12, I would be all for it. But everyone knows that is a Steelerfanstupid concept. 49ers, Jets, Bears, Bills all may be looking for QBs. Last year's draft proves that medium rated QBs will go in top 5, or Top 2.

Does anyone honestly think that Watson and MT will not both be drafted Top 5?

[The Gipper]

@mudfly said:

yeah....not even.....

I dont see this guy as a good pro.....just another college QB with legs.....andre ware, troy smith, etc....

Maybe a bit better. Like I said, RGIV.

[TopDawg31]

@the-gipper said:

That's the problem. NFL teams don't draft in accordance with the "fickle media" rankings.

Sure, if the Browns could get a killer defensive player with #1, and Trubisky with #12, I would be all for it. But everyone knows that is a Steelerfanstupid concept. 49ers, Jets, Bears, Bills all may be looking for QBs. Last year's draft proves that medium rated QBs will go in top 5, or Top 2.

Does anyone honestly think that Watson and MT will not both be drafted Top 5?

If we want one of the "media" rated top 3 then we will have to take him #1 overall and roll with it. Fuck the opinions of several "message board experts" that think no QB is worthy of the #1 overall. If he pans out as our QB for the next 10 yrs then it matters not where he was drafted.

[The Gipper]

@westside-steve said:

Cardale Jones had one of those didn't he?

WSS

He had 3 of those games on his way to a national title run..

[Mudfly]

@mudfly said:

yeah....not even.....

I dont see this guy as a good pro.....just another college QB with legs.....andre ware, troy smith, etc....

@the-gipper said:

Maybe a bit better. Like I said, RGIV.

Um....RG is not a good pro.....

[The Gipper]

@topdawg31 said:

If we want one of the "media" rated top 3 then we will have to take him #1 overall and roll with it. Fuck the opinions of several "message board experts" that think no QB is worthy of the #1 overall. If he pans out as our QB for the next 10 yrs then it matters not where he was drafted.

Let's face it.....if you take the best QBs in NFL history....the vast majority will have been high, high draft picks.

Sure, you get the outlier of a Tom Brady round 6, Montana round 3, and a few others. But the best QBs were Top 3-5.

Take a look at this list

Let the debate begin.

1. Tom Brady* Still in top form at age 38, he has done enough to surpass his boyhood idol Joe Montana and mainly without a superstar wide receiver
2. Johnny Unitas Dominated a bruising era with 10 Pro Bowl appearances, revolutionizing the position with his versatility and play calling
3. Joe Montana Showed tremendous poise and decision-making in the West Coast offense, finishing as the season leader in completion percentage five times
4. Peyton Manning Owns perhaps the greatest arm in football history and nobody has thrown more touchdown passes or made more Pro Bowl appearances
5. Steve Young A great scrambling quarterback who led the NFL in passer rating six times, he would be higher on this list if not for sitting behind Montana and his stint in the USFL
6. Otto Graham The consummate winner, he never missed a game in his career and was consistently among the best statistical leaders year after year
7. John Elway One of the game’s great leaders, the Broncos legend carried his team on his shoulders with his big arm, exceptional running ability and clutch plays
8. Dan Marino A cannon arm and quick release helped the Dolphins legend post enormous stats
9. Bart Starr Perhaps the most accurate and efficient quarterback of his era, challenging Unitas as the top quarterback of the 1960s
10. Sammy Baugh The most versatile player on this list, and the first truly great quarterback in football history
11. Brett Favre Few quarterbacks have been as good for as long as Favre, who posted stellar career stats
12. Roger Staubach The most talented quarterback of the 1970s, the Cowboys legend would be higher on this list if he hadn’t started his career at age 27 because of a Navy commitment
13. Fran Tarkenton Arguably the all-time greatest running quarterback, the Vikings’ star found a way to keep his team in games with his ingenuity and deep passes
14. Drew Brees* Though overshadowed by Brady and Peyton, Brees has been a warrior for the Saints in nine Pro Bowl seasons and remains a star
15. Norm Van Brocklin Went to the Pro Bowl nine times and posted numbers nearly as good as the likes of Unitas, Graham and Starr
16. Dan Fouts Like Marino, Fouts was a hard-nosed quarterback with a great arm who is overlooked because of a lack of team success
17. Aaron Rodgers* Owns the highest career passer rating (104.1) and will no doubt quickly climb this list before his career is over
18. Bob Griese One of the smartest minds in football helped the Dolphins finish with the highest winning percentage in the 1970s while reaching six Pro Bowls
19. Sonny Jurgensen Somewhat overlooked because of Unitas and Starr in the 1960s, he deserves recognition for his precise passes, consistency and toughness
20. Terry Bradshaw Surrounded by great talent, the three-time Pro Bowler was nevertheless a strong-armed leader of one of the most accomplished teams in NFL history and an underrated scrambler
21. Len Dawson Probably the game’s most accurate passer, the Chiefs legend even posted strong numbers very late in his career
22. Troy Aikman Like Bradshaw, Aikman won with great talent around him, but that shouldn’t detract from his excellent accuracy, smart decisions and impressive passing strength
23. Warren Moon A master of the run-and-shoot offense, he played in a staggering eight Pro Bowls despite starting his NFL career at age 28
24. Bobby Layne Mastered the two-minute drill, willed his team to titles, and all the while put up big numbers
25. Y.A. Tittle The two-time MVP had a hard-luck career when it came to winning championships, but was an undeniable talent in the 1950s and particularly the early 1960s
26. Ken Anderson Easily among the most underrated players on this list, this huge talent did so much despite being surrounded by so little
27. Joe Namath Broadway Joe’s suspect stats don’t tell the story of his big arm, quick release and gutsy play
28. Ben Roethlisberger* Quality talent has surrounded Big Ben over his career, but he has also proven to be a very accurate passer, a good scrambler and difficult guy to sack
29. Sid Luckman Led the league in QB rating three times and helped Chicago win four titles over a span of seven seasons
30. Ken Stabler In his prime years, the southpaw was crucial to the Raiders’ success and is among the most clutch players on this list
31. Donovan McNabb Made the Pro Bowl six times while keeping the Eagles competitive with his consistent play
32. Roman Gabriel One of the all-time strongest quarterbacks who sometimes seemed impossible to sack, the Rams star was unfortunately overshadowed by guys like Staubach and Tarkenton
33. Jim Kelly Like Young, spent the early portion of his career in the USFL, but still went to five Pro Bowls over 11 NFL seasons
34. Kurt Warner Began and ended his NFL career with big seasons, and threw a gorgeous spiral with tremendous accuracy
35. Randall Cunningham Probably had the strongest arm the game has ever seen, and was also a gifted scrambler
36. George Blanda A former backup to Layne, he played big when it counted, and also at various positions, until he was 48
37. Drew Bledsoe The four-time Pro Bowler was equipped with an excellent arm and a sharp mind
38. Philip Rivers* Overlooked because of a lack of mobility and team success, he still has one of the best arms in football and has posted a QB Rating over 100 in four seasons
39. John Brodie Consistent, hard-nosed signal caller who was often as accurate as the superstars of his era, and even shined late in his career
40. Eli Manning* Hasn't posted huge numbers compared to his peers, but often steps up when it counted and was consistent
41. Steve McNair At his best, he was as good as anyone on this list, throwing bulls-eye passes and running for first downs when his team needed them most
42. Michael Vick* The fastest man on this list and the only one to rush for 1,000 yards, he would be ranked higher had he not been away from the game in his prime years
43. Bob Waterfield Had a short career that began after World War II, but he consistently had among the best stats in his era
44. Rich Gannon A do-everything quarterback, he thrived when he had better talent around him, reaching the Pro Bowl four times with the Raiders
45. Tony Romo* Has enjoyed a better career than most give him credit for, and will move up this list if he can effectively overcome recent injuries
46. John Hadl Posted 33,503 passing yards in 166 starts during the 1960s and 1970s, as a four-time AFL All-Star and a two-time Pro Bowler
47. Archie Manning Didn’t have the offensive line or the receivers to prove his worth, but could create plays and had a good arm
48. Boomer Esiason Didn’t have the spotlight during an era that featured Montana, Marino and others, but he threw 247 touchdowns and went to four Pro Bowls
49. Joe Theismann Posted some strong seasons for Redskins’ squads that were consistently competitive
50. Phil Simms The two-time Pro Bowler cracks this list behind solid numbers after his 20s

*Active player

Red: #1 overall

[The Gipper]

@mudfly said:

Um....RG is not a good pro.....

I know...that is my point. (slightly better than those mentioned)

[Westside Steve]

RG3 could have been a great Pro but he had injury issues and a bad attitude.

WSS