Pryor injured
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Hate to say I agree with this...but I do.....he's definitely struggled and has shown that there is truth to the "knocks" we heard about him from his college career.....and Im seeing what your seeing in terms of separation, drops, etc....
BUT!.....there's something there I see......some extra flash and determination that I like.....and I think he will be one of the few, from this class, to grow and eventually excel .....I dont think he'll be a top #1 type of receiver, but I do think he'll be productive and exciting(tho his drops will also break our hearts a few times)....so Im holding out and waiting to see him in year 2, on a better team.....and, hopefully, with someone who can get him the ball, before I write him off as another round 1 disappointment....
Was pointed out by the announcers today. Coleman still has a lot to learn- like coming back for the ball when on a quick out. We'll see if he was worth a first round pick, but pretty sure he's not going to be a total bust.
Was pointed out by the announcers today. Coleman still has a lot to learn- like coming back for the ball when on a quick out. We'll see if he was worth a first round pick, but pretty sure he's not going to be a total bust.
Right....and bust is a relative term.....
IE: Dont think he will live upto that #1 ranking......but will be good enough to stick around as a contributor.....
Only question is......does a #1 pick that plays like a #3 or 4 equal bust?
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Was pointed out by the announcers today. Coleman still has a lot to learn- like coming back for the ball when on a quick out. We'll see if he was worth a first round pick, but pretty sure he's not going to be a total bust.
Right....and bust is a relative term.....
IE: Dont think he will live upto that #1 ranking......but will be good enough to stick around as a contributor.....
Only question is......does a #1 pick that plays like a #3 or 4 equal bust?
Right....and bust is a relative term.....
IE: Dont think he will live upto that #1 ranking......but will be good enough to stick around as a contributor.....
Only question is......does a #1 pick that plays like a #3 or 4 equal bust?
If someone stays around and gets good enough to play somewhere in the starting lineup weekly, then not a bust. We need steady players as well as stars.
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Regarding Pryor, I'm having a bit of a change of heart. I'm now looking at it like - what would we think if we'd drafted this guy in april? His first year in the league (as a receiver) he gets a thousand yards with a carousel of quarterbacks. If Corey Coleman had done that, we would be elated, build around this guy forever.
So why not Pryor? Because he was, out of nowhere, our main receiving threat? He was so much better than expected he thrust himself into WR1 status, and now people say 'well he's not a good WR1 so cut him'?
I said a little while ago he was a lot like Travis Benjamin. Similar numbers across the board. If we let Benji go, why not Pryor? But, we need to start keeping the guys that have shown ability to play in this league, and Pryor essentially just had his rookie season, while Benji had played receiver his whole life and has now basically hit his ceiling.
Pay the man.
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Regarding Pryor, I'm having a bit of a change of heart. I'm now looking at it like - what would we think if we'd drafted this guy in april? His first year in the league (as a receiver) he gets a thousand yards with a carousel of quarterbacks. If Corey Coleman had done that, we would be elated, build around this guy forever.
So why not Pryor? Because he was, out of nowhere, our main receiving threat? He was so much better than expected he thrust himself into WR1 status, and now people say 'well he's not a good WR1 so cut him'?
I said a little while ago he was a lot like Travis Benjamin. Similar numbers across the board. If we let Benji go, why not Pryor? But, we need to start keeping the guys that have shown ability to play in this league, and Pryor essentially just had his rookie season, while Benji had played receiver his whole life and has now basically hit his ceiling.
Pay the man.
Regarding Pryor, I'm having a bit of a change of heart. I'm now looking at it like - what would we think if we'd drafted this guy in april? His first year in the league (as a receiver) he gets a thousand yards with a carousel of quarterbacks. If Corey Coleman had done that, we would be elated, build around this guy forever.
So why not Pryor? Because he was, out of nowhere, our main receiving threat? He was so much better than expected he thrust himself into WR1 status, and now people say 'well he's not a good WR1 so cut him'?
I said a little while ago he was a lot like Travis Benjamin. Similar numbers across the board. If we let Benji go, why not Pryor? But, we need to start keeping the guys that have shown ability to play in this league, and Pryor essentially just had his rookie season, while Benji had played receiver his whole life and has now basically hit his ceiling.
Pay the man.
Benji is a midget with a ceiling and injury concerns. Pryor played through injuries this year and has the height to be elite. I would pay him Benji + money for sure, but not #1 elite money. He has a lot of drops, mental errors, missing blocks, running backwards ... but that is all correctable. Pay him before March 15, and lock up Collins too, and then get to work on next year's guys.
The biggest problem with out past GMs was waiting until a guy's free agent year to begin negotiations, you gotta sign them the year before when you still have leverage. That's why I was pleading for the Browns to re-sign Schwartz after his third year and everyone thought I was nuts. The fucker hadn't missed a snap, was healthy as could be and was finally starting to get it .. he was gold! But we waited until he had all the leverage, and top-graded season, and he walked.
We might have to overpay to keep Pryor and Collins ... just do it! No going backward.
But if we are smart, we get to work on guys like Kirksey, Crow and Bitonio now ... keep your fucking young vets for chrissake. Can't get better til you stop the bleeding.
Zombo
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Crow is out of contract at year end.
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I agree. We could 'Gipson' him, but why mess around? Guy shows enough to get the job done and has a nose for the endzone. 19 TDs in 3 years will do nicely.
In related news, Browns finished second in rush yards per attempt in 2016 with 4.9, up from 4.0 in 2015. Bills first with 5.3.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-rush-attempt
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I agree. We could 'Gipson' him, but why mess around? Guy shows enough to get the job done and has a nose for the endzone. 19 TDs in 3 years will do nicely.
In related news, Browns finished second in rush yards per attempt in 2016 with 4.9, up from 4.0 in 2015. Bills first with 5.3.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-rush-attempt
I agree. We could 'Gipson' him, but why mess around? Guy shows enough to get the job done and has a nose for the endzone. 19 TDs in 3 years will do nicely.
In related news, Browns finished second in rush yards per attempt in 2016 with 4.9, up from 4.0 in 2015. Bills first with 5.3.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-rush-attempt
I had no problem with our running backs, and when we had the right dudes in there we could run block pretty good.
We never used the running game to put opponents away though. I'm thinking of a couple games where we jumped to big leads under McCown, then we kept throwning until he made enough mistakes to let the opponent come back. We never decided to run down anybody's throat. That doesn't come up a lot on 1-15 teams, I understand, but i think Hue was a little in love with the pass when we had opportunities to salt the game away with the run. We didn't have Andy Dalton and A.J. Green out there, sometimes an Off Tackle can win you games. (Bubble screens at the two yard line are gay).
But I digress .. yes, re-sign Crow to a big deal, he is a big deal.
Zombo
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Regarding Pryor, I'm having a bit of a change of heart. I'm now looking at it like - what would we think if we'd drafted this guy in april? His first year in the league (as a receiver) he gets a thousand yards with a carousel of quarterbacks. If Corey Coleman had done that, we would be elated, build around this guy forever.
So why not Pryor? Because he was, out of nowhere, our main receiving threat? He was so much better than expected he thrust himself into WR1 status, and now people say 'well he's not a good WR1 so cut him'?
I said a little while ago he was a lot like Travis Benjamin. Similar numbers across the board. If we let Benji go, why not Pryor? But, we need to start keeping the guys that have shown ability to play in this league, and Pryor essentially just had his rookie season, while Benji had played receiver his whole life and has now basically hit his ceiling.
Pay the man.
I said a little while ago he was a lot like Travis Benjamin. Similar numbers across the board. If we let Benji go, why not Pryor? But, we need to start keeping the guys that have shown ability to play in this league, and Pryor essentially just had his rookie season, while Benji had played receiver his whole life and has now basically hit his ceiling.
Pay the man.
Benjamin has hit his ceiling and regressed back down to the basement. He did nothing in SD this year, except for the last week of the season when he decided he didn't want to play because of an owie to his knee, despite not being on the injury report all week. 2 hours before the game he pulls himself out of the lineup. He was invisible for weeks at a time and had some horrendous special teams mistakes early in the season. The Browns made the right choice letting him go.
Pryor is a totally different thing. He's a big dude with speed, not a little skinny guy with speed like Benjamin. I think he'll stay because he wants to stay with Hue.
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Look I love the Crow. Really do. But we don't need to spend much of anything on him. Go get a guy late in the draft if you can't keep him. He is expendable.
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I said a little while ago he was a lot like Travis Benjamin. Similar numbers across the board. If we let Benji go, why not Pryor? But, we need to start keeping the guys that have shown ability to play in this league, and Pryor essentially just had his rookie season, while Benji had played receiver his whole life and has now basically hit his ceiling.
Pay the man.
Benjamin has hit his ceiling and regressed back down to the basement. He did nothing in SD this year, except for the last week of the season when he decided he didn't want to play because of an owie to his knee, despite not being on the injury report all week. 2 hours before the game he pulls himself out of the lineup. He was invisible for weeks at a time and had some horrendous special teams mistakes early in the season. The Browns made the right choice letting him go.
Pryor is a totally different thing. He's a big dude with speed, not a little skinny guy with speed like Benjamin. I think he'll stay because he wants to stay with Hue.
Benjamin has hit his ceiling and regressed back down to the basement. He did nothing in SD this year, except for the last week of the season when he decided he didn't want to play because of an owie to his knee, despite not being on the injury report all week. 2 hours before the game he pulls himself out of the lineup. He was invisible for weeks at a time and had some horrendous special teams mistakes early in the season. The Browns made the right choice letting him go.
Pryor is a totally different thing. He's a big dude with speed, not a little skinny guy with speed like Benjamin. I think he'll stay because he wants to stay with Hue.
That's pretty much what I was saying.
Benjamin hit his ceiling
Pryor basically just had a rookie season
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Look I love the Crow. Really do. But we don't need to spend much of anything on him. Go get a guy late in the draft if you can't keep him. He is expendable.
Look I love the Crow. Really do. But we don't need to spend much of anything on him. Go get a guy late in the draft if you can't keep him. He is expendable.
I fall in under this. If they can't square away an incentive laden deal like Tour mentioned, I am sure a replacement can be found late in the draft.
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A replacement probably *can* be found later in the draft, but why create a need on a team that already has plenty? Crow won't be asking for AP money or even DeMarco Murray money. If we can give $5m a year to Jamar Taylor (not complaining about that btw) we can find room to pay Crowell.
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Hey, we still have Winston in reserve...
Look at where the top ten rushers of 2016 were drafted...
Zeke (1), Howard (5), Murray (3), Ajayi (5), Bell (2), McCoy (2), Johnson (3), Blount (UDFA), Freeman (4), and Miller (4).
Day two and early Day three of the draft are simply too target rich to overpay Crow.
While I like Crow he is a flawed RB... his field vision is not great. I've got some photos from the Cinci game that show the issue, but dammed if I can navigate editing them to post due to software "upgrades". Maybe later...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Hey, we still have Winston in reserve...
Look at where the top ten rushers of 2016 were drafted...
Zeke (1), Howard (5), Murray (3), Ajayi (5), Bell (2), McCoy (2), Johnson (3), Blount (UDFA), Freeman (4), and Miller (4).
Day two and early Day three of the draft are simply too target rich to overpay Crow.
While I like Crow he is a flawed RB... his field vision is not great. I've got some photos from the Cinci game that show the issue, but dammed if I can navigate editing them to post due to software "upgrades". Maybe later...
Hey, we still have Winston in reserve...
Look at where the top ten rushers of 2016 were drafted...
Zeke (1), Howard (5), Murray (3), Ajayi (5), Bell (2), McCoy (2), Johnson (3), Blount (UDFA), Freeman (4), and Miller (4).
Day two and early Day three of the draft are simply too target rich to overpay Crow.
While I like Crow he is a flawed RB... his field vision is not great. I've got some photos from the Cinci game that show the issue, but dammed if I can navigate editing them to post due to software "upgrades". Maybe later...
Good point, shows how the RB position has been vastly upgraded from years past when they were relegated to the second, third and beyond rounds.
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Look I love the Crow. Really do. But we don't need to spend much of anything on him. Go get a guy late in the draft if you can't keep him. He is expendable.
Look I love the Crow. Really do. But we don't need to spend much of anything on him. Go get a guy late in the draft if you can't keep him. He is expendable.
You could get Mixon or Perine in 3rd or 4th.
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Look I love the Crow. Really do. But we don't need to spend much of anything on him. Go get a guy late in the draft if you can't keep him. He is expendable.
You could get Mixon or Perine in 3rd or 4th.
You could get... Perine in 3rd or 4th.
Valerie? (AKA Montana Wildhack... "May we have the night curtain, please?" - Billy Pilgrim)
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You could get... Perine in 3rd or 4th.
Valerie? (AKA Montana Wildhack... "May we have the night curtain, please?" - Billy Pilgrim)
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You could get... Perine in 3rd or 4th.
Valerie? (AKA Montana Wildhack... "May we have the night curtain, please?" - Billy Pilgrim)
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