Jimmy's Letter to the Season ticket holders
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But you all have ... and it is a damn same. We are better fan base than this, or at least we were. Fuck waiting until 2018, I expect to be in the playoffs next season. Let me into that fucking locker room or those board meetings, i'll see it through ... the little pukes.
You're so right, because I have so much fucking influence on how those guys play! Jesus Christ, stop beating your chest and calm down. No one has accepted or want losing but many of us are smartly aware there's jack shit we as fans can really do about it either. The only way we can hurt the Browns organization is with our wallets and that could easily just cause the team to move again.
So seriously, what the fuck do you want us as fans to do? That's an honest question, because your wet dream of slamming the doors open, giving an any given sunday speech and winning a super bowl aint happening. Do you want a protest outside of the stadium or something? Do we want me to yell at the stadium "I DON'T ACCEPT LOSING!!!"? Unless you have some magic 8 ball all we can do is support our hometown team, boo 'em when they always suck and hope for the best. I sure as shit know acting macho on a message board isn't doing squat.
You're so right, because I have so much fucking influence on how those guys play! Jesus Christ, stop beating your chest and calm down. No one has accepted or want losing but many of us are smartly aware there's jack shit we as fans can really do about it either. The only way we can hurt the Browns organization is with our wallets and that could easily just cause the team to move again.
So seriously, what the fuck do you want us as fans to do? That's an honest question, because your wet dream of slamming the doors open, giving an any given sunday speech and winning a super bowl aint happening. Do you want a protest outside of the stadium or something? Do we want me to yell at the stadium "I DON'T ACCEPT LOSING!!!"? Unless you have some magic 8 ball all we can do is support our hometown team, boo 'em when they always suck and hope for the best. I sure as shit know acting macho on a message board isn't doing squat.
You accept losing ... and I believe you abuse your pets.
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But you all have ... and it is a damn same. We are better fan base than this, or at least we were. Fuck waiting until 2018, I expect to be in the playoffs next season. Let me into that fucking locker room or those board meetings, i'll see it through ... the little pukes.
You're so right, because I have so much fucking influence on how those guys play! Jesus Christ, stop beating your chest and calm down. No one has accepted or want losing but many of us are smartly aware there's jack shit we as fans can really do about it either. The only way we can hurt the Browns organization is with our wallets and that could easily just cause the team to move again.
So seriously, what the fuck do you want us as fans to do? That's an honest question, because your wet dream of slamming the doors open, giving an any given sunday speech and winning a super bowl aint happening. Do you want a protest outside of the stadium or something? Do we want me to yell at the stadium "I DON'T ACCEPT LOSING!!!"? Unless you have some magic 8 ball all we can do is support our hometown team, boo 'em when they always suck and hope for the best. I sure as shit know acting macho on a message board isn't doing squat.
You're so right, because I have so much fucking influence on how those guys play! Jesus Christ, stop beating your chest and calm down. No one has accepted or want losing but many of us are smartly aware there's jack shit we as fans can really do about it either. The only way we can hurt the Browns organization is with our wallets and that could easily just cause the team to move again.
So seriously, what the fuck do you want us as fans to do? That's an honest question, because your wet dream of slamming the doors open, giving an any given sunday speech and winning a super bowl aint happening. Do you want a protest outside of the stadium or something? Do we want me to yell at the stadium "I DON'T ACCEPT LOSING!!!"? Unless you have some magic 8 ball all we can do is support our hometown team, boo 'em when they always suck and hope for the best. I sure as shit know acting macho on a message board isn't doing squat.
You're from the 'particpation trophy award' generation obviously.
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How funny neither of you actually answered my question. So i will ask again-what the fuck do you want fans to do about it? Having a dick meausring contest on a fan forum just comes off as old people past their prime trying to feel tough.
Tangible, meaursable things. I will gladly wait.
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How funny neither of you actually answered my question. So i will ask again-what the fuck do you want fans to do about it? Having a dick meausring contest on a fan forum just comes off as old people past their prime trying to feel tough.
Tangible, meaursable things. I will gladly wait.
How funny neither of you actually answered my question. So i will ask again-what the fuck do you want fans to do about it? Having a dick meausring contest on a fan forum just comes off as old people past their prime trying to feel tough.
Tangible, meaursable things. I will gladly wait.
You probably don't want to get in dick measuring contest with Skippy, the pizza boy in Tampa thought he had a big one.
Zombo
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How funny neither of you actually answered my question. So i will ask again-what the fuck do you want fans to do about it? Having a dick meausring contest on a fan forum just comes off as old people past their prime trying to feel tough.
Tangible, meaursable things. I will gladly wait.
How funny neither of you actually answered my question. So i will ask again-what the fuck do you want fans to do about it? Having a dick meausring contest on a fan forum just comes off as old people past their prime trying to feel tough.
Tangible, meaursable things. I will gladly wait.
Stop accepting losing. Stop talking about gay three-year+ plans. Stop harming pets.
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How funny neither of you actually answered my question. So i will ask again-what the fuck do you want fans to do about it? Having a dick meausring contest on a fan forum just comes off as old people past their prime trying to feel tough.
Tangible, meaursable things. I will gladly wait.
Stop accepting losing. Stop talking about gay three-year+ plans. Stop harming pets.
Stop accepting losing. Stop talking about gay three-year+ plans. Stop harming pets.
No one is accepting losing which I literally said word for word earlier.
Tangible, meaursable actions you want fans to do. This is quickly becoming pathetic.
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No one is accepting losing which I literally said word for word earlier.
Tangible, meaursable actions you want fans to do. This is quickly becoming pathetic.
Really? Accepting multiple year plans ain't accepting losing? Listen tough internet guy, you jump in and pound your chest to tell others to not pound their chest. You skip over the fact that most everyone here accepts the three+ year plan, yet ask for measurable actions on what fans should do. Accepting a multi-year plan is accepting losing and is a measurable you asshat.
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No one is accepting losing which I literally said word for word earlier.
Tangible, meaursable actions you want fans to do. This is quickly becoming pathetic.
Really? Accepting multiple year plans ain't accepting losing? Listen tough internet guy, you jump in and pound your chest to tell others to not pound their chest. You skip over the fact that most everyone here accepts the three+ year plan, yet ask for measurable actions on what fans should do. Accepting a multi-year plan is accepting losing and is a measurable you asshat.
Measurable since you arent aware is a tangible item. For example, giving up season tickets to show your disdain for years of terrible football shows an action we as fans can take.Really? Accepting multiple year plans ain't accepting losing? Listen tough internet guy, you jump in and pound your chest to tell others to not pound their chest. You skip over the fact that most everyone here accepts the three+ year plan, yet ask for measurable actions on what fans should do. Accepting a multi-year plan is accepting losing and is a measurable you asshat.
Saying people are okay with losing is just an opinion, which is not tangible. I would ask if you understand that but it is clear the capacity isnt there to do so.
Let me make it clear. No one wants to fucking lose. But guess what? Your opinion means jack shit, just like mine. Whether you accept a three year plan, a 12 year plan, or no plan you have ZERO impact on team performance. I know that may break your heart pal, but its true. The actual truth is that fans have to bend over and take it, good or bad. You have no control and never will.
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Measurable since you arent aware is a tangible item. For example, giving up season tickets to show your disdain for years of terrible football shows an action we as fans can take.Really? Accepting multiple year plans ain't accepting losing? Listen tough internet guy, you jump in and pound your chest to tell others to not pound their chest. You skip over the fact that most everyone here accepts the three+ year plan, yet ask for measurable actions on what fans should do. Accepting a multi-year plan is accepting losing and is a measurable you asshat.
Saying people are okay with losing is just an opinion, which is not tangible. I would ask if you understand that but it is clear the capacity isnt there to do so.
Let me make it clear. No one wants to fucking lose. But guess what? Your opinion means jack shit, just like mine. Whether you accept a three year plan, a 12 year plan, or no plan you have ZERO impact on team performance. I know that may break your heart pal, but its true. The actual truth is that fans have to bend over and take it, good or bad. You have no control and never will.
Measurable since you arent aware is a tangible item. For example, giving up season tickets to show your disdain for years of terrible football shows an action we as fans can take.
Saying people are okay with losing is just an opinion, which is not tangible. I would ask if you understand that but it is clear the capacity isnt there to do so.
Let me make it clear. No one wants to fucking lose. But guess what? Your opinion means jack shit, just like mine. Whether you accept a three year plan, a 12 year plan, or no plan you have ZERO impact on team performance. I know that may break your heart pal, but its true. The actual truth is that fans have to bend over and take it, good or bad. You have no control and never will.
I rest my case.
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Measurable since you arent aware is a tangible item. For example, giving up season tickets to show your disdain for years of terrible football shows an action we as fans can take.
Saying people are okay with losing is just an opinion, which is not tangible. I would ask if you understand that but it is clear the capacity isnt there to do so.
Let me make it clear. No one wants to fucking lose. But guess what? Your opinion means jack shit, just like mine. Whether you accept a three year plan, a 12 year plan, or no plan you have ZERO impact on team performance. I know that may break your heart pal, but its true. The actual truth is that fans have to bend over and take it, good or bad. You have no control and never will.
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/measure?
But don't let those things like legal definitions hold you down. Keep living the dream amigo.
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I rest my case.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/measure?
But don't let those things like legal definitions hold you down. Keep living the dream amigo.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/measure?
But don't let those things like legal definitions hold you down. Keep living the dream amigo.
Please ... oh God, please, show us where under the definition of the word "measure" it reads anything close to: "Measurable is a tangible item" as a definition. Because it is pretty freaking obvious that "a 3-year plan" is a measure of a plan of action. It measures larger than a 2yr plan and is smaller in measure than a 4yr plan ... but please for the sake of God just even find the word "tangible" anywhere on that definition page/link you just pinned up.
I was over this conversation hours ago when I was stumbling from bar to bar and bored with you then, but now I'm home and WTF, I'll bite ... amuse us further ole chest pounding young tough guy nerd who learned two new words at work this week and is probably boring the fuck out of his roommates applying them to everything from fruit loops to blunt wraps.
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I agree on the 3-4-5 year plans. Fuck that. Other teams have gone worst to first.
I want that. If not that, ok, I am realistic.....give me 9 wins and lose a close battle for a wildcard slot. 4-5 wins isn't going to make me happy.
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I agree on the 3-4-5 year plans. Fuck that. Other teams have gone worst to first.
I want that. If not that, ok, I am realistic.....give me 9 wins and lose a close battle for a wildcard slot. 4-5 wins isn't going to make me happy.
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http://www.dictionary.com/browse/measure?
But don't let those things like legal definitions hold you down. Keep living the dream amigo.
Please ... oh God, please, show us where under the definition of the word "measure" it reads anything close to: "Measurable is a tangible item" as a definition. Because it is pretty freaking obvious that "a 3-year plan" is a measure of a plan of action. It measures larger than a 2yr plan and is smaller in measure than a 4yr plan ... but please for the sake of God just even find the word "tangible" anywhere on that definition page/link you just pinned up.
I was over this conversation hours ago when I was stumbling from bar to bar and bored with you then, but now I'm home and WTF, I'll bite ... amuse us further ole chest pounding young tough guy nerd who learned two new words at work this week and is probably boring the fuck out of his roommates applying them to everything from fruit loops to blunt wraps.
Please ... oh God, please, show us where under the definition of the word "measure" it reads anything close to: "Measurable is a tangible item" as a definition. Because it is pretty freaking obvious that "a 3-year plan" is a measure of a plan of action. It is larger than a 2yr plan and smaller in measure than a 4yr plan ... but please for the sake of God just even find the word "tangible" anywhere on that definition page/link you just pinned up.
I was over this conversation hours ago when I was stumbling from bar to bar and bored with you then, but now I'm home and WTF, I'll bite ... amuse us further ole chest pounding young tough guy nerd who learned two new words at work this week and is probably boring the fuck out of his roommates applying them to everything from fruit loops to blunt wraps.
........what? Yes, if this regime desires to have a 3 year rebuild plan that would be a tangible measure of their success or failure. However, that's literally not what you said or what I have said 5 separate times. I'm amazed at how pathetic reading comprehension can be on this board. It borders on manic.
I've asked you plain as day to provide a tangible measure of how WE AS FANS, I repeat WE AS FANS can do something to make the team get better organizantially. You have not, and cannot, do that because there's nothing we can do. This regime isn't going to listen to an old man on a message board who wants to sound badass just like they aren't going to listen to me. So unless we stop watching the Browns play football, I'm just going to hope to God they win football games and hope for the best. I can yell from the mountain tops "I DON'T ACCEPT A THREE YEAR PLAN!!!!" and guess what? It wouldn't fucking matter.
I mean this seriously-how can you not understand this? I feel like my dog (oh lemme guess I abuse him right?) could at least comprehend what I'm saying, but it's clear you can't.
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oh jesus christ we've got people now saying they expect us to be in the playoffs next year. FFS people can you please stop this? it'll take next year o possibly the year after to know what "LAST" years prospects will end up being. We'll be ecstatic to be 500
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Please ... oh God, please, show us where under the definition of the word "measure" it reads anything close to: "Measurable is a tangible item" as a definition. Because it is pretty freaking obvious that "a 3-year plan" is a measure of a plan of action. It is larger than a 2yr plan and smaller in measure than a 4yr plan ... but please for the sake of God just even find the word "tangible" anywhere on that definition page/link you just pinned up.
I was over this conversation hours ago when I was stumbling from bar to bar and bored with you then, but now I'm home and WTF, I'll bite ... amuse us further ole chest pounding young tough guy nerd who learned two new words at work this week and is probably boring the fuck out of his roommates applying them to everything from fruit loops to blunt wraps.
........what? Yes, if this regime desires to have a 3 year rebuild plan that would be a tangible measure of their success or failure. However, that's literally not what you said or what I have said 5 separate times. I'm amazed at how pathetic reading comprehension can be on this board. It borders on manic.
I've asked you plain as day to provide a tangible measure of how WE AS FANS, I repeat WE AS FANS can do something to make the team get better organizantially. You have not, and cannot, do that because there's nothing we can do. This regime isn't going to listen to an old man on a message board who wants to sound badass just like they aren't going to listen to me. So unless we stop watching the Browns play football, I'm just going to hope to God they win football games and hope for the best. I can yell from the mountain tops "I DON'T ACCEPT A THREE YEAR PLAN!!!!" and guess what? It wouldn't fucking matter.
I mean this seriously-how can you not understand this? I feel like my dog (oh lemme guess I abuse him right?) could at least comprehend what I'm saying, but it's clear you can't.
........what? Yes, if this regime desires to have a 3 year rebuild plan that would be a tangible measure of their success or failure. However, that's literally not what you said or what I have said 5 separate times. I'm amazed at how pathetic reading comprehension can be on this board. It borders on manic.
I've asked you plain as day to provide a tangible measure of how WE AS FANS, I repeat WE AS FANS can do something to make the team get better organizantially. You have not, and cannot, do that because there's nothing we can do. This regime isn't going to listen to an old man on a message board who wants to sound badass just like they aren't going to listen to me. So unless we stop watching the Browns play football, I'm just going to hope to God they win football games and hope for the best. I can yell from the mountain tops "I DON'T ACCEPT A THREE YEAR PLAN!!!!" and guess what? It wouldn't fucking matter.
I mean this seriously-how can you not understand this? I feel like my dog (oh lemme guess I abuse him right?) could at least comprehend what I'm saying, but it's clear you can't.
You do realize that we are the fan base that fought the NFL for our team back, our teams colors and our team's name right? We made a huge difference as fans, we set a precedent for fans of any sport. We took down the NFL using freaking fax machines.
Have you ever owned season tickets?
I owned two, then four, then bought two more while selling two, then relocated two, and then I just flat out dumped them all a few years ago in protest of the poor product. I don't even attend games anymore.
Have you ever bought Browns merchandise?
My families Christmas use to be filled with Browns gear. We use to hold a thread here on this forum asking everyone to display the Browns gear they received for Christmas. That party doesn't exist anymore
Have you ever had a retail outlet to sell Browns gear?
I own one and sales have dried up to almost nothing. We don't even advertise the Browns shit anymore.
Do you attend the Browns Training Camps?
I used to regularly. I've attended them in Hiram, Kent State, at Lakeland Community College and in Berea. I now live 1.5 miles from the Browns complex in Berea and I haven't been to a training camp session in years.
I don't support inept run businesses. I don't blindly support losing. When I hear some young crackerhead talk about only winning a few games and that is acceptable to him because of some phantom multi-year plan, I voice my opinion.
Is that enough of this old man putting his money where his mouth is? What are you doing about the losing and shit product in the front office which translates into shit product on the field? Are you going to answer all of my questions now that you bored the shit out of me with a stupid word game?
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........what? Yes, if this regime desires to have a 3 year rebuild plan that would be a tangible measure of their success or failure. However, that's literally not what you said or what I have said 5 separate times. I'm amazed at how pathetic reading comprehension can be on this board. It borders on manic.
I've asked you plain as day to provide a tangible measure of how WE AS FANS, I repeat WE AS FANS can do something to make the team get better organizantially. You have not, and cannot, do that because there's nothing we can do. This regime isn't going to listen to an old man on a message board who wants to sound badass just like they aren't going to listen to me. So unless we stop watching the Browns play football, I'm just going to hope to God they win football games and hope for the best. I can yell from the mountain tops "I DON'T ACCEPT A THREE YEAR PLAN!!!!" and guess what? It wouldn't fucking matter.
I mean this seriously-how can you not understand this? I feel like my dog (oh lemme guess I abuse him right?) could at least comprehend what I'm saying, but it's clear you can't.
You do realize that we are the fan base that fought the NFL for our team back, our teams colors and our team's name right? We made a huge difference as fans, we set a precedent for fans of any sport. We took down the NFL using freaking fax machines.
Have you ever owned season tickets?
I owned two, then four, then bought two more while selling two, then relocated two, and then I just flat out dumped them all a few years ago in protest of the poor product. I don't even attend games anymore.
Have you ever bought Browns merchandise?
My families Christmas use to be filled with Browns gear. We use to hold a thread here on this forum asking everyone to display the Browns gear they received for Christmas. That party doesn't exist anymore
Have you ever had a retail outlet to sell Browns gear?
I own one and sales have dried up to almost nothing. We don't even advertise the Browns shit anymore.
Do you attend the Browns Training Camps?
I used to regularly. I've attended them in Hiram, Kent State, at Lakeland Community College and in Berea. I now live 1.5 miles from the Browns complex in Berea and I haven't been to a training camp session in years.
I don't support inept run businesses. I don't blindly support losing. When I hear some young crackerhead talk about only winning a few games and that is acceptable to him because of some phantom multi-year plan, I voice my opinion.
Is that enough of this old man putting his money where his mouth is? What are you doing about the losing and shit product in the front office which translates into shit product on the field? Are you going to answer all of my questions now that you bored the shit out of me with a stupid word game?
You do realize that we are the fan base that fought the NFL for our team back, our teams colors and our team's name right? We made a huge difference as fans, we set a precedent for fans of any sport. We took down the NFL using freaking fax machines.
Have you ever owned season tickets?
I owned two, then four, then bought two more while selling two, then relocated two, and then I just flat out dumped them all a few years ago in protest of the poor product. I don't even attend games anymore.
Have you ever bought Browns merchandise?
My families Christmas use to be filled with Browns gear. We use to hold a thread here on this forum asking everyone to display the Browns gear they received for Christmas. That party doesn't exist anymore
Have you ever had a retail outlet to sell Browns gear?
I own one and sales have dried up to almost nothing. We don't even advertise the Browns shit anymore.
Do you attend the Browns Training Camps?
I used to regularly. I've attended them in Hiram, Kent State, at Lakeland Community College and in Berea. I now live 1.5 miles from the Browns complex in Berea and I haven't been to a training camp session in years.
I don't support inept run businesses. I don't blindly support losing. When I hear some young crackerhead talk about only winning a few games and that is acceptable to him because of some phantom multi-year plan, I voice my opinion.
Is that enough of this old man putting his money where his mouth is? What are you doing about the losing and shit product in the front office which translates into shit product on the field? Are you going to answer all of my questions now that you bored the shit out of me with a stupid word game?
See, why wouldnt you have said this 10 replies ago? I literally said that the stuff you're mentioning is tangible actions we can take as fans. I literally said we can only effect the team with our wallets. We are agreeing with each other and I cant for the life of me understand why you wouldnt read what I wrote and said this to start.
I dont buy browns stuff ever anymore. I wouldnt buy tickets for free. We are on the same page there. But other than that its just out of our hands.
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You do realize that we are the fan base that fought the NFL for our team back, our teams colors and our team's name right? We made a huge difference as fans, we set a precedent for fans of any sport. We took down the NFL using freaking fax machines.
Have you ever owned season tickets?
I owned two, then four, then bought two more while selling two, then relocated two, and then I just flat out dumped them all a few years ago in protest of the poor product. I don't even attend games anymore.
Have you ever bought Browns merchandise?
My families Christmas use to be filled with Browns gear. We use to hold a thread here on this forum asking everyone to display the Browns gear they received for Christmas. That party doesn't exist anymore
Have you ever had a retail outlet to sell Browns gear?
I own one and sales have dried up to almost nothing. We don't even advertise the Browns shit anymore.
Do you attend the Browns Training Camps?
I used to regularly. I've attended them in Hiram, Kent State, at Lakeland Community College and in Berea. I now live 1.5 miles from the Browns complex in Berea and I haven't been to a training camp session in years.
I don't support inept run businesses. I don't blindly support losing. When I hear some young crackerhead talk about only winning a few games and that is acceptable to him because of some phantom multi-year plan, I voice my opinion.
Is that enough of this old man putting his money where his mouth is? What are you doing about the losing and shit product in the front office which translates into shit product on the field? Are you going to answer all of my questions now that you bored the shit out of me with a stupid word game?
See, why wouldnt you have said this 10 replies ago? I literally said that the stuff you're mentioning is tangible actions we can take as fans. I literally said we can only effect the team with our wallets. We are agreeing with each other and I cant for the life of me understand why you wouldnt read what I wrote and said this to start.
I dont buy browns stuff ever anymore. I wouldnt buy tickets for free. We are on the same page there. But other than that its just out of our hands.
See, why wouldnt you have said this 10 replies ago? I literally said that the stuff you're mentioning is tangible actions we can take as fans. I literally said we can only effect the team with our wallets. We are agreeing with each other and I cant for the life of me understand why you wouldnt read what I wrote and said this to start.
I dont buy browns stuff ever anymore. I wouldnt buy tickets for free. We are on the same page there. But other than that its just out of our hands.
I did. In the initial post that you decided to puff out your chest at, i wrote, "And some wondered why I took a hiatus away from anything to do with this team..."
I just went back and re-read my comments. I don't see anything in that entire reply that would cause you to string this thing out all night.
I started off with, "I don't know how any team can win when the projection is not too." .... I stand by that statement. Hell take three years off or play the games in front of free admission if you know that you are not going to win. Play at Byers Field in Parma and lets use the big house to bet on live dog races.
I also wrote, "This has become a loser franchise and we are loser fans if you accept that bullshit" ... Three year plans so far have turned into three year plans, followed by a three year plan, followed by a three year plan, followed by a three year plan, followed by a three year plan, and now we are heading into year two of a ... drum roll please ... (Everyone together now!) ... a Three Year Plan!And people are accepting that like it is the first time they have heard of a "THREE YEAR PLAN"! ... although this time it is a bit catchy because it might even be a groovy FOUR YEAR PLAN ... Who's got FIVE?!?! ...Sold to the guy in the dog mask drooling in the first row! But Oh I see, it is different this time also because we stripped the roster talent down to the bare bones, I get it ... I think I read that formula before on the back of a paint can for best use.sigh, fml. -
You do realize that we are the fan base that fought the NFL for our team back, our teams colors and our team's name right? We made a huge difference as fans, we set a precedent for fans of any sport. We took down the NFL using freaking fax machines.
Have you ever owned season tickets?
I owned two, then four, then bought two more while selling two, then relocated two, and then I just flat out dumped them all a few years ago in protest of the poor product. I don't even attend games anymore.
Have you ever bought Browns merchandise?
My families Christmas use to be filled with Browns gear. We use to hold a thread here on this forum asking everyone to display the Browns gear they received for Christmas. That party doesn't exist anymore
Have you ever had a retail outlet to sell Browns gear?
I own one and sales have dried up to almost nothing. We don't even advertise the Browns shit anymore.
Do you attend the Browns Training Camps?
I used to regularly. I've attended them in Hiram, Kent State, at Lakeland Community College and in Berea. I now live 1.5 miles from the Browns complex in Berea and I haven't been to a training camp session in years.
I don't support inept run businesses. I don't blindly support losing. When I hear some young crackerhead talk about only winning a few games and that is acceptable to him because of some phantom multi-year plan, I voice my opinion.
Is that enough of this old man putting his money where his mouth is? What are you doing about the losing and shit product in the front office which translates into shit product on the field? Are you going to answer all of my questions now that you bored the shit out of me with a stupid word game?
See, why wouldnt you have said this 10 replies ago? I literally said that the stuff you're mentioning is tangible actions we can take as fans. I literally said we can only effect the team with our wallets. We are agreeing with each other and I cant for the life of me understand why you wouldnt read what I wrote and said this to start.
I dont buy browns stuff ever anymore. I wouldnt buy tickets for free. We are on the same page there. But other than that its just out of our hands.
See, why wouldnt you have said this 10 replies ago? I literally said that the stuff you're mentioning is tangible actions we can take as fans. I literally said we can only effect the team with our wallets. We are agreeing with each other and I cant for the life of me understand why you wouldnt read what I wrote and said this to start.
I dont buy browns stuff ever anymore. I wouldnt buy tickets for free. We are on the same page there. But other than that its just out of our hands.
Here's the thing JRB, we fans have very few outlets....which you have clearly pointed out......and, since we dont have quality football or a quality team to discuss, our only outlet is to discuss player moves, the draft, the constant rotation of coaches and staff, etc......which, to some of us, seem to suck everytime......why?.....cause thats all they've given us to discuss....
Now, you seem really bothered that some of us are unhappy and want to voice our displeasure....which(again) is all we have and our only outlet.....and you want to post how you dont like our posts.....which, again, is all we have......
I also was a season ticket holder(for 24 years, actually) and sold mine too.....we've done the "tangible" and now have nothing but frustration to show for it....why not just let us fans do our thing and post our opinions, w/o bitching at us for having feelings??? Where are we supposed to go to voice those opinions, other than here....the Browns Board......
How shitty would this place be if we all agreed and all just sat on our hands,,,,in a big kum by ya circle jerk???.....waiting for ANOTHER multi year plan and saying yessir, we're gonna great....someday.....
That would suck worse than the Browns do......
There are a few of you guys who spend an awful lot of time tearing down other peoples opinions, instead of just posting yours.....we all have one......all have a right to post it......and some of us, who have been at this for decades have earned the right to say it like it is, without some snot nosed kid trying to tell us what to say, how to say it and that we dont know football or the Browns......(not saying you're a snot nosed kid, but you might be......)
In life....when bad shit happens....many of us fight back, say what we dont like, voice our displeasure, etc.....thats how it goes....
And, on the Browns Board.....nothing else to discuss....
Give me enough TANGIBLE growth or positive moves and Ill be the first to be elated.....but, the last 20 years with the Browns, the bad is over powering the good and thats what we're gonna discuss.....
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See, why wouldnt you have said this 10 replies ago? I literally said that the stuff you're mentioning is tangible actions we can take as fans. I literally said we can only effect the team with our wallets. We are agreeing with each other and I cant for the life of me understand why you wouldnt read what I wrote and said this to start.
I dont buy browns stuff ever anymore. I wouldnt buy tickets for free. We are on the same page there. But other than that its just out of our hands.
Here's the thing JRB, we fans have very few outlets....which you have clearly pointed out......and, since we dont have quality football or a quality team to discuss, our only outlet is to discuss player moves, the draft, the constant rotation of coaches and staff, etc......which, to some of us, seem to suck everytime......why?.....cause thats all they've given us to discuss....
Now, you seem really bothered that some of us are unhappy and want to voice our displeasure....which(again) is all we have and our only outlet.....and you want to post how you dont like our posts.....which, again, is all we have......
I also was a season ticket holder(for 24 years, actually) and sold mine too.....we've done the "tangible" and now have nothing but frustration to show for it....why not just let us fans do our thing and post our opinions, w/o bitching at us for having feelings??? Where are we supposed to go to voice those opinions, other than here....the Browns Board......
How shitty would this place be if we all agreed and all just sat on our hands,,,,in a big kum by ya circle jerk???.....waiting for ANOTHER multi year plan and saying yessir, we're gonna great....someday.....
That would suck worse than the Browns do......
There are a few of you guys who spend an awful lot of time tearing down other peoples opinions, instead of just posting yours.....we all have one......all have a right to post it......and some of us, who have been at this for decades have earned the right to say it like it is, without some snot nosed kid trying to tell us what to say, how to say it and that we dont know football or the Browns......(not saying you're a snot nosed kid, but you might be......)
In life....when bad shit happens....many of us fight back, say what we dont like, voice our displeasure, etc.....thats how it goes....
And, on the Browns Board.....nothing else to discuss....
Give me enough TANGIBLE growth or positive moves and Ill be the first to be elated.....but, the last 20 years with the Browns, the bad is over powering the good and thats what we're gonna discuss.....
Here's the thing JRB, we fans have very few outlets....which you have clearly pointed out......and, since we dont have quality football or a quality team to discuss, our only outlet is to discuss player moves, the draft, the constant rotation of coaches and staff, etc......which, to some of us, seem to suck everytime......why?.....cause thats all they've given us to discuss....
Now, you seem really bothered that some of us are unhappy and want to voice our displeasure....which(again) is all we have and our only outlet.....and you want to post how you dont like our posts.....which, again, is all we have......
I also was a season ticket holder(for 24 years, actually) and sold mine too.....we've done the "tangible" and now have nothing but frustration to show for it....why not just let us fans do our thing and post our opinions, w/o bitching at us for having feelings??? Where are we supposed to go to voice those opinions, other than here....the Browns Board......
How shitty would this place be if we all agreed and all just sat on our hands,,,,in a big kum by ya circle jerk???.....waiting for ANOTHER multi year plan and saying yessir, we're gonna great....someday.....
That would suck worse than the Browns do......
There are a few of you guys who spend an awful lot of time tearing down other peoples opinions, instead of just posting yours.....we all have one......all have a right to post it......and some of us, who have been at this for decades have earned the right to say it like it is, without some snot nosed kid trying to tell us what to say, how to say it and that we dont know football or the Browns......(not saying you're a snot nosed kid, but you might be......)
In life....when bad shit happens....many of us fight back, say what we dont like, voice our displeasure, etc.....thats how it goes....
And, on the Browns Board.....nothing else to discuss....
Give me enough TANGIBLE growth or positive moves and Ill be the first to be elated.....but, the last 20 years with the Browns, the bad is over powering the good and thats what we're gonna discuss.....
Right, and trust me man I get that- I mean that's why I write on these forums too. We often don't agree with us each other but as I noted in my first post the thread the only option we have as fans to voice frustration is to do what you both did and stop paying this organization for failure.
My point in all of this though is that outside of dropping the Browns all together what else can we do? To be honest, I used to let the Browns "get to me". It used to honest to goodness bring my mood down to bad levels. Last year during the Manziel nightmare I sat there and realized I was letting a bunch of adults throwing a ball around that I had no control over dictate my whole day. All I'm trying to say here is that I get it, bitch and moan all you want but outside of the almighty dollar there's nothing we can do to steer this shitstorm that has been the Browns for the better part of a decade. It's not about accepting losing, it's realizing there's little to nothing we as fans can do to control the outcome of the field (outside of cheering loudly). So it comes down to the fact that you are a fan of a team and you root for them, or you say enough is enough and go to a new team or a new outlet. Frankly, while I don't think I ever would go that route I sure as shit understand why people would.
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