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  • So in trade values we currently have in 2017:

    #1-3000

    #12-1200

    #33-580

    #52-380

    #65-265 (top of the 3rd)

    #128-44

    #158-29.2

    #159-28.8

    So theoretically if we want to move up to say #8 (1400) to get Foster we could give up #12 (1200) plus a conditional 3rd rounder from 2018. Or overpay with #12 and #65 this year.

  • T TexasAg1969

    So in trade values we currently have in 2017:

    #1-3000

    #12-1200

    #33-580

    #52-380

    #65-265 (top of the 3rd)

    #128-44

    #158-29.2

    #159-28.8

    So theoretically if we want to move up to say #8 (1400) to get Foster we could give up #12 (1200) plus a conditional 3rd rounder from 2018. Or overpay with #12 and #65 this year.

    @texasag1969 said:

    So in trade values we currently have in 2017:

    #1-3000

    #12-1200

    #33-580

    #52-380

    #65-265 (top of the 3rd)

    #128-44

    #158-29.2

    #159-28.8

    So theoretically if we want to move up to say #8 (1400) to get Foster we could give up #12 (1200) plus a conditional 3rd rounder from 2018. Or overpay with #12 and #65 this year.

    Per several references on here, the NFL basically no longer uses that Draft pick value system...which I believe was devised by Jimmy Johnson. They say the new Harvard draft value system is used. Others, like Tour who I think is more familiar with it can give you the scoop on that.

  • So is this the one in use now? Inquiring minds are too lazy to google it up. 😁

    value3.jpg?w=640

    Drafttek, Walterfootball and NBC still use the older one. http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

  • That's the one... when we are trading away picks.

    Your earlier choice is the one when we are accumulating picks...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    That's the one... when we are trading away picks.

    Your earlier choice is the one when we are accumulating picks...

    @tour2ma said:

    That's the one... when we are trading away picks.

    Your earlier choice is the one when we are accumulating picks...

    And how does that work when we are trying to trade up from 12 to 8 to get Foster presuming he is there? That the old chart like I illustrated originally?

  • T TexasAg1969

    @tour2ma said:

    That's the one... when we are trading away picks.

    Your earlier choice is the one when we are accumulating picks...

    And how does that work when we are trying to trade up from 12 to 8 to get Foster presuming he is there? That the old chart like I illustrated originally?

    @texasag1969 said:

    And how does that work when we are trying to trade up from 12 to 8 to get Foster presuming he is there? That the old chart like I illustrated originally?

    Well the other team might be using the old chart, or the new chart. They'll have different values perhaps, and if a compromise can be found then great, otherwise sorry.

    Eventually, it will become common practise to use the new chart when people stop overvaluing high picks and stop undervaluing mid-round picks, and balance will be found. Until then, we can continue to fleece other teams for more than the pick is worth, unless there's a guy there so great it's worth staying put.

  • Exactly Chris... all in the negotiating, but our starting point on a trade up would be the new chart and its flatter decay curve.

    I looked at our two big 2016 trade downs a while back.

    In the first with Philly, we got a little better than the old chart value for out #2 overall. When looked at on the new chart, it was killer in our favor.

    But when we traded down Philly's #8 overall, that deal was only slightly better than the new chart would green-light.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Exactly Chris... all in the negotiating, but our starting point on a trade up would be the new chart and its flatter decay curve.

    I looked at our two big 2016 trade downs a while back.

    In the first with Philly, we got a little better than the old chart value for out #2 overall. When looked at on the new chart, it was killer in our favor.

    But when we traded down Philly's #8 overall, that deal was only slightly better than the new chart would green-light.

    @tour2ma said:

    Exactly Chris... all in the negotiating, but our starting point on a trade up would be the new chart and its flatter decay curve.

    I looked at our two big 2016 trade downs a while back.

    In the first with Philly, we got a little better than the old chart value for out #2 overall. When looked at on the new chart, it was killer in our favor.

    But when we traded down Philly's #8 overall, that deal was only slightly better than the new chart would green-light.

    I remember that and being slightly confused as to why we traded down further, but we'll see what happens. I don't want to go back into old deals every time, but picking up extra second and third round picks - those guys can become starters almost right away like Ogbah, or be traded for experienced guys like Collins.

  • Garapallo behind our OL is going to look like tim couch to a lot of you.

    the garrett kizer mock i'm behind. maybe in 2018 after picking JT's replacement at LT #1 things will come to fruition. trying to win with Jimmy G next year is going to be another huge disappointment. i say throw RG3 in there to get killed for a 1/4 of the season and pick up some scrub vet to get bashed the rest of the year. hell the rookie from last year might surprise us all. showed a little staying power.

  • The rookie from last year - Kessler - looks like McCown 2.0, he's a fine enough guy to carry us to some wins next year if needed, but not the franchise guy we're looking for I think.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    The rookie from last year - Kessler - looks like McCown 2.0, he's a fine enough guy to carry us to some wins next year if needed, but not the franchise guy we're looking for I think.

    @gftchris said:

    The rookie from last year - Kessler - looks like McCown 2.0, he's a fine enough guy to carry us to some wins next year if needed, but not the franchise guy we're looking for I think.

    i guess i feel the same...... yes i know his name. just did better than i thought considering his draft 'intangibles'. i put one in hue's win column considering i really didn't like his hire.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @gftchris said:

    The rookie from last year - Kessler - looks like McCown 2.0, he's a fine enough guy to carry us to some wins next year if needed, but not the franchise guy we're looking for I think.

    i guess i feel the same...... yes i know his name. just did better than i thought considering his draft 'intangibles'. i put one in hue's win column considering i really didn't like his hire.

    @miktoxic said:

    i guess i feel the same...... yes i know his name. just did better than i thought considering his draft 'intangibles'. i put one in hue's win column considering i really didn't like his hire.

    I think his intangibles are pretty good, just his tangibles weren't so good. Not so big, arm strength not so great, but good leader, protects the ball etc. If you want a game manager, then he could be it, if he could just air it out a bit more from time to time and really use guys like Coleman and Pryor.

  • Game managers like Alex Smith are good enough to teach the playoffs. Was disappointed in how they used and treated Kessler last year he was showing promise and should have had the offense tailored to him instead it seemed they were annoyed he couldn't do the things they should have already known he couldn't do when they drafted him.

  • L LondonBrown

    Game managers like Alex Smith are good enough to teach the playoffs. Was disappointed in how they used and treated Kessler last year he was showing promise and should have had the offense tailored to him instead it seemed they were annoyed he couldn't do the things they should have already known he couldn't do when they drafted him.

    @londonbrown said:

    Game managers like Alex Smith are good enough to teach the playoffs. Was disappointed in how they used and treated Kessler last year he was showing promise and should have had the offense tailored to him instead it seemed they were annoyed he couldn't do the things they should have already known he couldn't do when they drafted him.

    I know what you are saying, but still disagree "we" were asking too much of Kess. Hue just wanted him to take shots that were there downfield. And many of the shots were intermediate ones. It is not as if he was expected to launch 60-yd bomb after 60-yd bomb.

    Maybe we were asking "too soon", but not too much.

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  • Kiper's 2.0 is out...

    1. Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M*

    I've made a bunch of changes in this mock from the 1.0 version. This isn't one of them. It's not out of the question that this pick could factor into the future at quarterback for the Browns, whether that's a drafted QB or one they acquire via trade. But Garrett is, right now, clearly the No. 1 player in this draft class and would be an immediate help at a position where having an elite player on a rookie contract is like stealing.

    12. Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU

    In this scenario, two quarterbacks are off the board. Since I can't simulate a trade here (Jimmy Garoppolo?), this pick is made based on the idea that Cleveland has either found a QB through trade or free agency and doesn't want to reach on another QB. White would come in and at least partially address a major need area (coverage, in all aspects).

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Browns/comments/5u8m7s/kiper_mock_20/

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  • Is my wariness of LSU guys justified? DBs and DL in particular? They're all 5 stars and they just out talent people in college. At least at Alabama you know they're being lorded over by a dictator of technique. Things were more lax under Miles and Chavis (don't know about Aranda yet).

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  • LSU OL wary here...

    And, yes, we are justified...

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  • And PFF's 4.0 is out....

    1. Garrett

    12. FSU RB Davin Cook

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-mock-draft-4-0-bears-jets-texans-select-quarterbacks-in-first-round/

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  • Out of those 2 id prefer the garrett cook way more!!!

    ALSO im thinking more and more tyrod taylor will be our qb next year so id like see a garett-cook or oj howard 1st rd) best qb in 2nd rd to sit a year or 2.

  • W wargograw

    Is my wariness of LSU guys justified? DBs and DL in particular? They're all 5 stars and they just out talent people in college. At least at Alabama you know they're being lorded over by a dictator of technique. Things were more lax under Miles and Chavis (don't know about Aranda yet).

    @wargograw said:

    Is my wariness of LSU guys justified? DBs and DL in particular? They're all 5 stars and they just out talent people in college. At least at Alabama you know they're being lorded over by a dictator of technique. Things were more lax under Miles and Chavis (don't know about Aranda yet).

    No more so than wariness of TAMU guys as far as first round picks...hell the whole SEC

    Mingo, Manziel. Richardson. Warren. Couch. We got shit on by the entire SEC. (Well, there was Joe Haden).

    The ACC isn't much better: Erving, Wimbley, K2. Green.

    And fucking Oklahoma St? Gilbert and Weeden. Keeee- riste

    At least the Big Ten gave us JT.

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