The Las Vegas Raiders
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I don't recall this fact having been noted on here, but on January 19th, the Raiders submitted their application to move to Las Vegas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/sports/raiders-move-to-las-vegas-nfl.html?_r=0
Though, unlike the Chargers and Rams moves to LA, it appears that the Raiders will continue to play in Oakland for at least 2 more years.
I wonder if the wisdom of that can be questioned.
But, here is a good question: will the Raiders in Vegas be as popular in LA as are the Rams and the Chargers? They just very well may be.
Will the Raiders maintain a fan base in the East Bay area? Or will those fans shift their allegiances to the 49ers. (Will the Chargers maintain a fan base in the San Diego area? MarkO seems to think not)
Will Ghoolie be switching his allegiance to the Raiders if/when he moves to LV?
Will this group organize a tailgate to go to LV to see the Browns play the Raiders?
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Raiders fans will never give up on their team no matter where they will move to. They will travel through the desert to see their favorite team. Iam sure all the Las Vegas football fans will accept the Raiders as their new home team, and the Raiders fan base will grow even more.
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Raiders fans will never give up on their team no matter where they will move to. They will travel through the desert to see their favorite team. Iam sure all the Las Vegas football fans will accept the Raiders as their new home team, and the Raiders fan base will grow even more.
Raiders fans will never give up on their team no matter where they will move to. They will travel through the desert to see their favorite team. Iam sure all the Las Vegas football fans will accept the Raiders as their new home team, and the Raiders fan base will grow even more.
Just curious, why do you think that? I mean I doubt too many fans would stay a fan of a team that ran off for more money. I guess the one thing there is that NoCal Raider fans have had it happen before, and they may also realize that they did, likely by far, have the worst stadium situation in the league, and that the team really did need a new venue...and they knew the people of Calif. were not going to pay for one. So, perhaps it is a far cry say from the Brown situation....or the Chargers.
(Interesting point....I understand that the people of San Diego wanted nothing to do with LA....but what if the Chargers say, had moved to Orange County....or somewhere else completely, like San Antonio?)
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Will you stop posting then?
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@ghoolie said:
Gipper, I will be living in Las Vegas by that time, most likely Stan will too. I would consider the Las Vegas a rebirth of my interest and loyalty to an NFL football team. Stan likewise is at the end of his rope with this fucktard of a team, fanbase, and cluture.
Browns fans, and yeah, I sue 90% of the people here, have become really, really fucking weird. Reality doesn't mean anything to Browns fans. Loyalty is one thing, but reality is a rarity in Browns town. No matter how bad the team is, no matter how bad the draft, coaches, game plan, and performance is, Browns fans have a fucking excuse. More Steeler fans in Ohio? Ah, its those dumb fucking people.
And fans, once tough, have become pussies. Look at Zomblow, post something he doesn't like, he pulls the post. What is to love about the Browns? In all honesty, the Ravens are the Browns, I hang here mainly to kibbutz with my old pals. i don't think you will have football in Cleveland 5 years from now. he fan base is shrinking, and most people around the nation don't even remember a good season, let alon the glory years.
Yeah, The Vegas Raiders will be a natural for me.
Will there be a tailgate to Vegas? I would bet not.
Ah, I might go to a Browns game & tailgate in Vegas. Though that city has around zero interest to me- and anyone else who is smart enough to realize 99% of the people who gamble heavily are going to lose money, and probably a lot of it. Got a few folks here in SW Ohio that are going to be\ are spending serious time in the slammer for bilking banks and investment customers to feed their gambling addiction. I get no thrill watching those lights flashin' and things dingin' while I'm losing money. Rather go to one of the restaurants and have a nice dinner with wine.
It's a good landing place to get somewhere else like Zion or the Grand Canyon. To paraphrase a Wyoming joke. The two prettiest sights in Nevada are Wheeler Peak- and seeing Las Vegas in your rear view mirror.
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why a vegas move? lung probs? need the 'dry' air?
frigg vegas and the chulos, crime and gambling. even the pussy there needs a swamp cooler. and if you don't know what that is then ur lying thru ur 2 teeth.
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Pre-season game August in Vegas @ 110 F. Goodie. 🥷
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/casino-billionaire-backs-out-of-raiders-stadium-deal-in-las-vegas/
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Why not just the Reno Raiders? Much shorter still.
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lake havasu hoots. utah utes.
did you say utes? no yooooooooooothz.
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@ghoolie said:
Gipper, I will be living in Las Vegas by that time, most likely Stan will too. I would consider the Las Vegas a rebirth of my interest and loyalty to an NFL football team. Stan likewise is at the end of his rope with this fucktard of a team, fanbase, and cluture.
Browns fans, and yeah, I sue 90% of the people here, have become really, really fucking weird. Reality doesn't mean anything to Browns fans. Loyalty is one thing, but reality is a rarity in Browns town. No matter how bad the team is, no matter how bad the draft, coaches, game plan, and performance is, Browns fans have a fucking excuse. More Steeler fans in Ohio? Ah, its those dumb fucking people.
And fans, once tough, have become pussies. Look at Zomblow, post something he doesn't like, he pulls the post. What is to love about the Browns? In all honesty, the Ravens are the Browns, I hang here mainly to kibbutz with my old pals. i don't think you will have football in Cleveland 5 years from now. he fan base is shrinking, and most people around the nation don't even remember a good season, let alon the glory years.
Yeah, The Vegas Raiders will be a natural for me.
Will there be a tailgate to Vegas? I would bet not.
Well, Ghoolie, I think you are about 95% wrong with what you say...but your comments are understandable from a certain point of view. There is really nothing wrong with the fan base or culture....of the Browns. Nothing that winning some would not help. It is tough to get beaten down constantly. There are issues with the American sports fans in general. Too many FRAKs. Like you said, those dumb fucking Steeler fans in Ohio. I don't know if it is a generational thing. I am old school loyal. Younger people go with whomever wins, whomever wins makes them feel good about themselves I guess. They have to be give participation trophies, so they bestow one upon themselves by just going for a team that wins.
No, the problem with the Browns is not the fans. The problem is with the organization. Fans have no control over that.
Also, of course, you are wrong about the Browns moving. It is a legal impossibility. Not sure why you don't comprehend that.
Yet, if you go to Vegas....I can see where you could adopt an affinity for the local franchise. ( I guess a good question is: would a Las Vegas fan base be nearly as loyal as a Cleveland fan base? I kinda doubt it.)
But one thing I would wager on: If/when you go out there, and you begin to support the Raiders.....as soon as the Browns start winning, and they will at some point.....your heart strings will be tugged back to the Seal Brown and Orange direction.
Fair to say?
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@ghoolie said:
Gipper, I will be living in Las Vegas by that time, most likely Stan will too. I would consider the Las Vegas a rebirth of my interest and loyalty to an NFL football team. Stan likewise is at the end of his rope with this fucktard of a team, fanbase, and cluture.
Browns fans, and yeah, I sue 90% of the people here, have become really, really fucking weird. Reality doesn't mean anything to Browns fans. Loyalty is one thing, but reality is a rarity in Browns town. No matter how bad the team is, no matter how bad the draft, coaches, game plan, and performance is, Browns fans have a fucking excuse. More Steeler fans in Ohio? Ah, its those dumb fucking people.
And fans, once tough, have become pussies. Look at Zomblow, post something he doesn't like, he pulls the post. What is to love about the Browns? In all honesty, the Ravens are the Browns, I hang here mainly to kibbutz with my old pals. i don't think you will have football in Cleveland 5 years from now. he fan base is shrinking, and most people around the nation don't even remember a good season, let alon the glory years.
Yeah, The Vegas Raiders will be a natural for me.
Will there be a tailgate to Vegas? I would bet not.
Ah, I might go to a Browns game & tailgate in Vegas. Though that city has around zero interest to me- and anyone else who is smart enough to realize 99% of the people who gamble heavily are going to lose money, and probably a lot of it. Got a few folks here in SW Ohio that are going to be\ are spending serious time in the slammer for bilking banks and investment customers to feed their gambling addiction. I get no thrill watching those lights flashin' and things dingin' while I'm losing money. Rather go to one of the restaurants and have a nice dinner with wine.
It's a good landing place to get somewhere else like Zion or the Grand Canyon. To paraphrase a Wyoming joke. The two prettiest sights in Nevada are Wheeler Peak- and seeing Las Vegas in your rear view mirror.
:lol: Ah, I might go to a Browns game & tailgate in Vegas. Though that city has around zero interest to me- and anyone else who is smart enough to realize 99% of the people who gamble heavily are going to lose money, and probably a lot of it. Got a few folks here in SW Ohio that are going to be\ are spending serious time in the slammer for bilking banks and investment customers to feed their gambling addiction. I get no thrill watching those lights flashin' and things dingin' while I'm losing money. Rather go to one of the restaurants and have a nice dinner with wine.
It's a good landing place to get somewhere else like Zion or the Grand Canyon. To paraphrase a Wyoming joke. The two prettiest sights in Nevada are Wheeler Peak- and seeing Las Vegas in your rear view mirror.
:lol: I don't mind a little flutter here and there. But I do have to budget for that sort of entertainment. My timeshare sits right in the center of the Las Vegas Strip...Polo Towers. I am sure many have seen it who have been there. But,actually, in 21 years, I have never stayed there. I have always traded it to go elsewhere.
And to me, Vegas has also been just the airport to land to get somewhere else: Zion/Bryce/Capitol Reef/Great Basin/ Grand Canyon/Death Valley/Yosemit/Sedona. My brother working near Bishop Cal., and Vegas would be the closest airport to there
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Pre-season game August in Vegas @ 110 F. Goodie. 🥷
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/casino-billionaire-backs-out-of-raiders-stadium-deal-in-las-vegas/
Pre-season game August in Vegas @ 110 F. Goodie. 🥷
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/casino-billionaire-backs-out-of-raiders-stadium-deal-in-las-vegas/
Isn't the proposed stadium they are to build a Dome? I know that Adelson is supposed to have backed out, but, there are other major investors that could step in.
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@boo-radley said:
Agreed
LA to LV = 263 miles
SF to LV = 570 miles
SF to LA = 382 miles
Its shorter for LA raider fans to drive to Vegas than drive North to Frisco. SF Raiders fans have a tougher time, but its not insurmountable. Virgin flies SF to Vegas for $151 round trip today.Its likely more during football season though.
I have said that I think there may continue to be as many Raider fans in LA as there will be Rams or Charger fans. Do you have any experience to think that statement might be true?
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Pre-season game August in Vegas @ 110 F. Goodie. 🥷
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/casino-billionaire-backs-out-of-raiders-stadium-deal-in-las-vegas/
Pre-season game August in Vegas @ 110 F. Goodie. 🥷
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/casino-billionaire-backs-out-of-raiders-stadium-deal-in-las-vegas/
Also, Adelson is like 85 years old. He probably wouldn't eve be around to see the plan through. Not sure if the article says what his kids would think about the deal.
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@boo-radley said:
Agreed
LA to LV = 263 miles
SF to LV = 570 miles
SF to LA = 382 miles
Its shorter for LA raider fans to drive to Vegas than drive North to Frisco. SF Raiders fans have a tougher time, but its not insurmountable. Virgin flies SF to Vegas for $151 round trip today.Its likely more during football season though.
I have said that I think there may continue to be as many Raider fans in LA as there will be Rams or Charger fans. Do you have any experience to think that statement might be true?
I have said that I think there may continue to be as many Raider fans in LA as there will be Rams or Charger fans. Do you have any experience to think that statement might be true?
there are more Raiders fans in LA than Rams and Chargers combined.
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I have said that I think there may continue to be as many Raider fans in LA as there will be Rams or Charger fans. Do you have any experience to think that statement might be true?
there are more Raiders fans in LA than Rams and Chargers combined.
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@ghoolie said:
. Look at Zomblow, post something he doesn't like, he pulls the post.
What is to love about the Browns?
Not true, I have never pulled a Browns fans post because I didn't "like it". It would have to be racist, complaining about moderation, or a personal threat of a familiar nature (I know where you live ... I know your wife, etc.) for me to delete a Browns fan's post.
We have three classifications of posters here, with three sets of rules, Browns Fans, Steeler Trolls, and Ass Fucks.
Browns Fans: This is 98% of the posters on here. Can pretty much say anything with the exception to the above. Sometimes posts are moved or merged to keep the flow going, but in the history of the Browns Board, since 2003, not one Browns fan has had his post deleted because somebody didn't like his opinion.
Steeler Trolls: This covers all fans of other teams that visit our home, Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, etc. This is our home, and they need to be respectful of it. We keep them around at times for added flavor. Some learn the ropes and become regulars ... but they are never Browns fans. Mods can delete them or suspend them for any reason ... they have no rights.
Ass Fucks: This is you. Ass Fucks are here solely to troll Browns fans. They have a personal agenda, not tied to the team. They hate on everything and stand for nothing. While they can be interesting and entertaining at times, they require moderation to keep them from overtaking the board and scaring off Browns fans that would like to come here and talk Browns football. We limit Ass Fucks to a couple threads a week, and we often have to take action when they shit on the thread of a Browns fan that is not warranted. They are basically overgrown children that, left to their own devices, would bully everyone, shit all over everything and make the board unreadable. This is the only group that requires constant moderation. You are the only Ass Fuck.
Well, there is actually one group below the Ass Fucks, that is spammers. We mark them as spammers and they are deleted immediately never to be seen again.
So the Board runs pretty good this way, always has, nothing has changed, it's not any softer, but the losing had had its toll at times. We got through the worst season in Browns history and we are going to butt heads all off season like we always do, I hope there are a lot of entertaining scrapes along the way. It promises to be our most lively draft and free agency discussion since 99. Gonna be fun.
What's to love about the Browns? The fans. We're a Band of Brothers. Must suck to be on the outside. Explains the bitterness, I guess.
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