Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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It wasn't that long ago when NE was trying to fool teams into Vanilla Ice Jr (Mallett).
And all the former Patriot employees that brought Matt Cassell to KC got fired when he wasn't anything close to the 10 game winner he was 1 year under BB in NE. BB got the Cinderella story before midnight while KC got the toothless hag after midnight for 10x the cap hit.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
13 pages on someone that's highly likely to never play a down for the Browns haha
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It wasn't that long ago when NE was trying to fool teams into Vanilla Ice Jr (Mallett).
And all the former Patriot employees that brought Matt Cassell to KC got fired when he wasn't anything close to the 10 game winner he was 1 year under BB in NE. BB got the Cinderella story before midnight while KC got the toothless hag after midnight for 10x the cap hit.
It wasn't that long ago when NE was trying to fool teams into Vanilla Ice Jr (Mallett).
And all the former Patriot employees that brought Matt Cassell to KC got fired when he wasn't anything close to the 10 game winner he was 1 year under BB in NE. BB got the Cinderella story before midnight while KC got the toothless hag after midnight for 10x the cap hit.
But it's SOOO different with Garropolo. Boo just doesn't get it- the Vikings giving up a first round pick for Bradford was a humongous anomaly. Any comparison between Bradford and Garropolo is laughable.
@boo-fagley said:
Why
Why? because why would Bill keep a guy That has 55 attempts, 308 passing yards, and got shut out by the Bills be a better option that your hero Jimmy? Seriously- you're bordering on trolling. Oh, he's still on his rookie contract? So is Garropolo.
13 pages on someone that's highly likely to never play a down for the Browns haha
Yes London. Tour's post gives the same arguments we've been telling Boo- people looking at the situation with an objective eye. It did strike me that from a Browns point of view, looks like the Patriots have fired up the media hype machine about Jimmy- did Bill pay a few people off? Of course we KNOW Bill has Lombardi in his back pocket. I'm considering shutting down this thread- it's gotten to the point we're beating a dead horse.
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@boo-fagley said:
You guys realize that this is not real life right?
Belichick did not send me to negotiate with the Fantasy GMs here. Some of you get downright upset like youre the ones handing over the draft pick.Nothing said or done here will have any effect on the outcome of this topic. Sorry fellas. The Browns and Patriots front offices are not following this thread debating on what to do next.
Not reality, at least for me anyway.
Come on! We are followers of Kellyanne Conway here! We have alternative facts!
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That article is a bit misleading to me. It makes it sound like fact that the Browns won't trade a first round pick for JG. Did they get a statement from our front office that I missed? I don't think anybody truly knows what the heck is going on in terms of the deal that MIGHT happen for the guy. The last deal I can think of that is somewhat similar to the possible JG trade was the Matt Schaub situation. Remember when Schaub played a bit in Atlanta and looked pretty darn good in backup duty? He was eventually traded to Houston for a second round pick, and I'm not sure what else. I could mistaken, as it was a while ago, but I'm pretty sure a second rounder was involved. Many people remember the end of Schaub's career, and it wasn't pretty, but before that, he strung together a few really good years. To put that into perspective, I think most Browns' fans would be absolutely THRILLED with 3 years of solid, if not spectacular, play.
If we can get JG for a 2nd and 4th...I do it IMMEDIATELY.
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The ATL/HOU deal was:
Schaub + 2007 #10 <==> 2007 #8 + 2007 R2 + 2008 R3
@boo-fagley said:
Why
Because it is clear as can be that Brisett is nothing special... and that take tends to taint JG by extension.
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Top 5 AJ McCarron thread starters:
1) - Wife Katherine Webb is smoking hot. Google her and prepare to be fully Musbergered, you dirty old man.
2) - AJ's upper body is covered in hand drawn Jeebus tats and his head has a massive scar left over from a boating accident. So colorful. Discuss!
3) - Has the "it" factor. Can't be defined but you'll know it when you see it. (Massive head scar looks like a halo to some.)
4) - Doesn't require 25m commitment. 2017 salary less than 675k and won't be a RFA until 2018. Trade for and audition for 2 years at minimal real costs.
5) = Free Rustproofing. What do I have to do to put you in this QB today?
Top 5 AJ McCarron thread starters:
1) - Wife Katherine Webb is smoking hot. Google her and prepare to be fully Musbergered, you dirty old man.
2) - AJ's upper body is covered in hand drawn Jeebus tats and his head has a massive scar left over from a boating accident. So colorful. Discuss!
3) - Has the "it" factor. Can't be defined but you'll know it when you see it. (Massive head scar looks like a halo to some.)
4) - Doesn't require 25m commitment. 2017 salary less than 675k and won't be a RFA until 2018. Trade for and audition for 2 years at minimal real costs.
5) = Free Rustproofing. What do I have to do to put you in this QB today?
Well......if that happened, it would have to be one of the rarest events in the NFL: trading a QB intradivision.
I mean, as far as I know, the last time a trade intradivision was made involving the Browns it was when the Browns traded Dick Shiner to the Steelers for Bill Nelsen. (and the Browns got the far better end of that trade).
Does anyone know of it happening since?
Bottom line....if the Bengals do think about trading McCarron, the last place they would trade him is either Cleveland/Pitt. or Baltimore.
Fair to say?
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@boo-fagley said:
Did McGoo beg you to enter the fray for him?
He already cried to WSS and had him change my screen name. What powers to you posses here Hoorta? Please dont take away all my reputation.
I have absolutely nothing to do with any of that. Not within my powers nor my responsibilities and I wouldn't have considered doing it in the first place anyway.
To tell you the truth I have no idea why it happened, unless you are a Squeelers fan.
WSS
I have absolutely nothing to do with any of that. Not within my powers nor my responsibilities and I wouldn't have considered doing it in the first place anyway.
To tell you the truth I have no idea why it happened, unless you are a Squeelers fan.
WSS
Boo just keeps playing Fantasy Football with the Patriots. He keeps thinking that absolutely absurd things are going to happen.
He is a bit like PoG and his man crushes for the likes of Trent Richardson.
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It wasn't that long ago when NE was trying to fool teams into Vanilla Ice Jr (Mallett).
And all the former Patriot employees that brought Matt Cassell to KC got fired when he wasn't anything close to the 10 game winner he was 1 year under BB in NE. BB got the Cinderella story before midnight while KC got the toothless hag after midnight for 10x the cap hit.
It wasn't that long ago when NE was trying to fool teams into Vanilla Ice Jr (Mallett).
And all the former Patriot employees that brought Matt Cassell to KC got fired when he wasn't anything close to the 10 game winner he was 1 year under BB in NE. BB got the Cinderella story before midnight while KC got the toothless hag after midnight for 10x the cap hit.
Nice. A good fairy tale.
Just like the one about the Browns trading like #12 for JG. Fairy tale.
If Ryan Mallet is Vanilla Ice Jr., the Jimmy Garropolo is Joey Fatone Jr.
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@boo-fagley said:
You guys realize that this is not real life right?
Belichick did not send me to negotiate with the Fantasy GMs here. Some of you get downright upset like youre the ones handing over the draft pick.Nothing said or done here will have any effect on the outcome of this topic. Sorry fellas. The Browns and Patriots front offices are not following this thread debating on what to do next.
Not reality, at least for me anyway.
Come on! We are followers of Kellyanne Conway here! We have alternative facts!
Come on! We are followers of Kellyanne Conway here! We have alternative facts!
"We" means "you".
But great SNL bit.
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Top 5 AJ McCarron thread starters:
1) - Wife Katherine Webb is smoking hot. Google her and prepare to be fully Musbergered, you dirty old man.
2) - AJ's upper body is covered in hand drawn Jeebus tats and his head has a massive scar left over from a boating accident. So colorful. Discuss!
3) - Has the "it" factor. Can't be defined but you'll know it when you see it. (Massive head scar looks like a halo to some.)
4) - Doesn't require 25m commitment. 2017 salary less than 675k and won't be a RFA until 2018. Trade for and audition for 2 years at minimal real costs.
5) = Free Rustproofing. What do I have to do to put you in this QB today?
Well......if that happened, it would have to be one of the rarest events in the NFL: trading a QB intradivision.
I mean, as far as I know, the last time a trade intradivision was made involving the Browns it was when the Browns traded Dick Shiner to the Steelers for Bill Nelsen. (and the Browns got the far better end of that trade).
Does anyone know of it happening since?
Bottom line....if the Bengals do think about trading McCarron, the last place they would trade him is either Cleveland/Pitt. or Baltimore.
Fair to say?
Well......if that happened, it would have to be one of the rarest events in the NFL: trading a QB intradivision.
I mean, as far as I know, the last time a trade intradivision was made involving the Browns it was when the Browns traded Dick Shiner to the Steelers for Bill Nelsen. (and the Browns got the far better end of that trade).
Does anyone know of it happening since?
Bottom line....if the Bengals do think about trading McCarron, the last place they would trade him is either Cleveland/Pitt. or Baltimore.
Fair to say?
The Browns just traded Gilbert to Pittsburgh (for them to cut). I've been saying it for a while but the reason you've given is the reason I cannot see McCarron in Cleveland.
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@boo-fagley said:
I am bordering on trolling?
Dont you think that Garroplos agent would like a payday? Why would the Pats make Garrapolo sit for how many more years until Brady retires? Can you fathom that Garrapolo wants to play something he has likely dreamed about all his life - NFL football on Sunday? Its a QB weak NFL draft. Should the Pats hang on to Jimmy Garropolo until the next NFL draft thats loaded with QBs?
The Patriots have always had QBs in development - Rohan Davey, Brian Hoyer, Michael Bishop, Ryan Mallet, Kliff Klingsbury. Matt Cassel.
The whole he cant be any good if Team X is letting him go argument is ridiculous, TJ Ward was let go. He looked OK winning the Super Bowl last year. Martellius Bennet is moving on from NE. He must not be any good. The Steelers let Legarret Blount walk. I sure am glad that he isnt any good 18 TDs this season and a Super Bowl ring later.
Rolling out those names is an excellent reason why Browns fans are sceptical! You already have said at least once "it's different this time with Jimmy." Proves you're arguing in circles, and repeating yourself. The track record of players released or traded by Bill is less than stellar. So sorry if I have trouble believing Jimmy can be a long term multiple pro bowl answer for the Browns.
Regarding Ward, it was just one of many horrible decisions by a clueless FO. Sheard, Schwartz, Gabriel- I could go on.
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Well......if that happened, it would have to be one of the rarest events in the NFL: trading a QB intradivision.
I mean, as far as I know, the last time a trade intradivision was made involving the Browns it was when the Browns traded Dick Shiner to the Steelers for Bill Nelsen. (and the Browns got the far better end of that trade).
Does anyone know of it happening since?
Bottom line....if the Bengals do think about trading McCarron, the last place they would trade him is either Cleveland/Pitt. or Baltimore.
Fair to say?
The Browns just traded Gilbert to Pittsburgh (for them to cut). I've been saying it for a while but the reason you've given is the reason I cannot see McCarron in Cleveland.
The Browns just traded Gilbert to Pittsburgh (for them to cut). I've been saying it for a while but the reason you've given is the reason I cannot see McCarron in Cleveland.
True. I think the only way McCarron would get here is via FA, which isn't in 2017.
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The Browns just traded Gilbert to Pittsburgh (for them to cut). I've been saying it for a while but the reason you've given is the reason I cannot see McCarron in Cleveland.
True. I think the only way McCarron would get here is via FA, which isn't in 2017.
True. I think the only way McCarron would get here is via FA, which isn't in 2017.
Interesting Flugs the other backup in the discussion McCarron gets around 5 comments- including a few by our pal Ummadog, and this thread is 14 pages and counting. It's getting me ill all of the attention on Garropolo. The flavor of the week- more attention than Watson or Kizer- combined. Here's some backup to my point- the latest media's nut hugging fascination over the guy. Is it getting fueled by Bill and his minions- or do they collectively have the cumulative insight of a groundhog about Jimmy? To their credit, at least some of the Browns media deservedly isn't wearing the rose colored glasses. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785403/article/charley-casserly-mock-draft-10-trades-shake-up-round-1
They're just not going to let this die. BARF! Seriously- why do New England's backup quarterbacks get all this media love and attention? It's not like plenty of them have flopped badly after they've left the cozy environment of Foxboro. From a Browns fans perspective the lines in the sand are pretty much drawn already.
1) Don't want him under any circumstance.
2) OK with a trade at the right price
3) Sure, ship the Patriots our #12 and something more to get him, he's gonna be the BOMB.
The simplistic media groupthink is well- the Browns are going to get Garrett with the #1, and they'll be happy to get their QBOTF in Jimmy with that extra pick in the first round. I have to hope Sashi, DePo, and Hue aren't that shallow. They're going to analyze every one of LOL Jimmy's 94 NFL passes- thoroughly. The ONLY way they're going to pull the trigger on a trade like that is if they're 100% certain Garropolo is the real deal, and he's a better option than one of the many top players available @ #12, and there isn't a 2017 qb prospect that might turn out better. It also flies in the face of our Front office's desire to add draft picks, not trade them away.
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I don't really remember anyone crying over Gabriel at the time of his release. Think a large majority of people were tired of the Smurfs. Considering how poor his second year was, followed by a poor camp, thought the move was fine.
So he blossomed whilst having a fqb and true #1 across from him. Think the real lesson is to ease up on expectations...Players are deemed all-pro or busts by this fanbase after their first few games, so maybe the way to look at this would be that's players often need time before the light goes on.
Not here tho...Produce from your first game on or you'll be replaced by another guy that'll be given 4 games to prove it.
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I don't really remember anyone crying over Gabriel at the time of his release. Think a large majority of people were tired of the Smurfs. Considering how poor his second year was, followed by a poor camp, thought the move was fine.
So he blossomed whilst having a fqb and true #1 across from him. Think the real lesson is to ease up on expectations...Players are deemed all-pro or busts by this fanbase after their first few games, so maybe the way to look at this would be that's players often need time before the light goes on.
Not here tho...Produce from your first game on or you'll be replaced by another guy that'll be given 4 games to prove it.
I don't really remember anyone crying over Gabriel at the time of his release. Think a large majority of people were tired of the Smurfs. Considering how poor his second year was, followed by a poor camp, thought the move was fine.
So he blossomed whilst having a fqb and true #1 across from him. Think the real lesson is to ease up on expectations...Players are deemed all-pro or busts by this fanbase after their first few games, so maybe the way to look at this would be that's players often need time before the light goes on.
Not here tho...Produce from your first game on or you'll be replaced by another guy that'll be given 4 games to prove it.
Well, they released Gabriel and kept every one of their rookie wr draft picks. I thought that was FO arrogance. Coleman produced little, and the rest of the crew virtually nothing. So keep Coleman and DeValve, and get rid of the rest of the crew.
There's a few of us who thought (notably Tour) who felt cutting Gabriel was a mistake.
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I don't really remember anyone crying over Gabriel at the time of his release. Think a large majority of people were tired of the Smurfs. Considering how poor his second year was, followed by a poor camp, thought the move was fine.
So he blossomed whilst having a fqb and true #1 across from him. Think the real lesson is to ease up on expectations...Players are deemed all-pro or busts by this fanbase after their first few games, so maybe the way to look at this would be that's players often need time before the light goes on.
Not here tho...Produce from your first game on or you'll be replaced by another guy that'll be given 4 games to prove it.
Well, they released Gabriel and kept every one of their rookie wr draft picks. I thought that was FO arrogance. Coleman produced little, and the rest of the crew virtually nothing. So keep Coleman and DeValve, and get rid of the rest of the crew.
There's a few of us who thought (notably Tour) who felt cutting Gabriel was a mistake.
Well, they released Gabriel and kept every one of their rookie wr draft picks. I thought that was FO arrogance. Coleman produced little, and the rest of the crew virtually nothing. So keep Coleman and DeValve, and get rid of the rest of the crew.
There's a few of us who thought (notably Tour) who felt cutting Gabriel was a mistake.
Everyone seems to forget that football is a team sport. Unless the Browns got their own version of Matt Ryan and Julio Jones, Gabriel was not going to flourish in Cleveland. Put another way, Gabriel had the season he did with Atlanta because he was with Atlanta. He would not have had that season in Cleveland.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
I don't really remember anyone crying over Gabriel at the time of his release. Think a large majority of people were tired of the Smurfs. Considering how poor his second year was, followed by a poor camp, thought the move was fine.
So he blossomed whilst having a fqb and true #1 across from him. Think the real lesson is to ease up on expectations...Players are deemed all-pro or busts by this fanbase after their first few games, so maybe the way to look at this would be that's players often need time before the light goes on.
Not here tho...Produce from your first game on or you'll be replaced by another guy that'll be given 4 games to prove it.
I don't really remember anyone crying over Gabriel at the time of his release. Think a large majority of people were tired of the Smurfs. Considering how poor his second year was, followed by a poor camp, thought the move was fine.
So he blossomed whilst having a fqb and true #1 across from him. Think the real lesson is to ease up on expectations...Players are deemed all-pro or busts by this fanbase after their first few games, so maybe the way to look at this would be that's players often need time before the light goes on.
Not here tho...Produce from your first game on or you'll be replaced by another guy that'll be given 4 games to prove it.
HA! Glad to see you back here Choco.
Colt McCoy has to be thinking "where was Choco when I had about 60,000 Hatfields ready to kill me during my 3rd start?"
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I don't really remember anyone crying over Gabriel at the time of his release. Think a large majority of people were tired of the Smurfs. Considering how poor his second year was, followed by a poor camp, thought the move was fine.
So he blossomed whilst having a fqb and true #1 across from him. Think the real lesson is to ease up on expectations...Players are deemed all-pro or busts by this fanbase after their first few games, so maybe the way to look at this would be that's players often need time before the light goes on.
Not here tho...Produce from your first game on or you'll be replaced by another guy that'll be given 4 games to prove it.
Well, they released Gabriel and kept every one of their rookie wr draft picks. I thought that was FO arrogance. Coleman produced little, and the rest of the crew virtually nothing. So keep Coleman and DeValve, and get rid of the rest of the crew.
There's a few of us who thought (notably Tour) who felt cutting Gabriel was a mistake.
There's a few of us who thought (notably Tour) who felt cutting Gabriel was a mistake.
Nice of you to "notab"....
I think I was making a case for his youth over Hawk, who you might also remember I wanted to trade after his "career" year with us. Just seemed the better fit with our youth movement and Hawk had a couple injury issues in 2015. However, the counter-case of keeping Hawk as a vet presence in the WR room had merit. Unfortunately now his concussed 2016 campaign has him considering retirement.
That said.... I do agree with Osiris that Gabe would not have had the kind of year here that he posted in ATL.
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