Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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@boo-fagley said:
Im still having a hard time on why RG3 didnt make it in the pros.
An absolute stud at Baylor. I would have bet the farm that he would be a star.
Cutler is only 33. If he came at the right price and didnt want a fortune, then why not?
Because he wore out his welcome with the Bears? Got hurt a bunch? Is pretty average? We already have Mr. Average RGlass III on the roster if we want cheap mediocre.
Gip is right, Griffin just can't process the NFL game fast enough.
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choco--In the grand scheme of things Mike Brown has almost no history of trading with anyone. However, in this example the Bengals have made it clear they're willing to trade McCarron if their demands are met. The reasons aren't secret. The Bengals know McCarron's got the ability to start elsewhere and they know he's not going to stay in Cincy longer than his contract dictates. So the question they face is does McCarron have more value in trade OR as a backup QB. In short, the same question New England is asking itself in regards to Garappolo. And no surprise at all if the answer reached is the same. Complicating matters further, if the Bengals offer McCarron a 1st or 2nd round tender in 2018, and he leaves, the Bengals can get the bulk of what they want in trade compensation without even bothering to trade.
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Gipper---Only a lawyer would argue a player was both a mistake and the best option available at the time in the same breath. My advice? Stop breathing. As for whether McCarron and Garappolo are better "pure Qbs" than RG3, both backups are capable of running offenses built upon pre snap coverage recognition, the very thing RG3 is incapable of doing. In fact, you say RG3 can't even read a defense after the ball is snapped.
But more importantly, both backup QBs are 3 years of NFL development ahead of Mitch "Aaron Rodgers" Trubisky.
As for Myles Garrett, I don't understand why you can't judge him without all of the brownie related baggage. What's Courtney Brown have to do with anything?
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choco---You're making a semantic argument while grown ups are sharing opinions. Props for knowing your limitations.
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Tour---McCarron to AJ Green for the lead late in the meltdown loss to Pittsburgh should be enough to put an end to all of this low ball talk.
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I know umad won't back down, but why would he? It's just message board dick-flexing at this point. I'd be willing to bet, however, if roles were reversed and Cincy was the team looking to acquire a QB, that he would be arguing it from the other side.
If Cincy was considering trading for the backup to a middle of the road starter whose playoff record makes Tony Romo look like Tom Brady, he would be the one worried about getting the short end of the stick. Then chances would be good that Gipper would be all for trading within the division to unload a player who is younger and bigger than Andy dalton, but can't beat out Andy dalton.
It's just a matter of perspective, really.
This is about perspective not the division.
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@boo-fagley said:
Im still having a hard time on why RG3 didnt make it in the pros.
An absolute stud at Baylor. I would have bet the farm that he would be a star.
Cutler is only 33. If he came at the right price and didnt want a fortune, then why not?
RG has a very difficult time processing information. He is very slow at making reads and recognizing the open receiver. That is his major problem.
Cutler will become 34 at the end of April. As I said, the Browns are not in the market for an "aging" veteran QB. If they get another QB at all out of trade of FA, they will want a younger one....probably 28 max. Otherwise they stick with RG, Kessler, and draft a guy.
RG has a very difficult time processing information. He is very slow at making reads and recognizing the open receiver. That is his major problem.
Cutler will become 34 at the end of April. As I said, the Browns are not in the market for an "aging" veteran QB. If they get another QB at all out of trade of FA, they will want a younger one....probably 28 max. Otherwise they stick with RG, Kessler, and draft a guy.
gip, i agree with you with rg3, however the biggest issue with him even more so than the processing info you stated, is his health...he was not bad at processing the reads during his first yr...why, because he was a scrambling qb and that was his strength. his body is shot, he lost the only thing he can do best and that is move outside the pocket...but why the fuck would we keep him as you say...i say get rid of him..this is all baby hueys fault. he fucked up already during his first yr trying to revive the titanic from the bottom of the ocean sort of speak...i like what you said about a draft guy possibly and kessler.
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Gipper---Only a lawyer would argue a player was both a mistake and the best option available at the time in the same breath. My advice? Stop breathing. As for whether McCarron and Garappolo are better "pure Qbs" than RG3, both backups are capable of running offenses built upon pre snap coverage recognition, the very thing RG3 is incapable of doing. In fact, you say RG3 can't even read a defense after the ball is snapped.
But more importantly, both backup QBs are 3 years of NFL development ahead of Mitch "Aaron Rodgers" Trubisky.
As for Myles Garrett, I don't understand why you can't judge him without all of the brownie related baggage. What's Courtney Brown have to do with anything?
Gipper---Only a lawyer would argue a player was both a mistake and the best option available at the time in the same breath.
In other words: someone that employs logic.
Because what makes you think that the other options were not even bigger mistakes?
Kessler....rookie, slow feet, slow weak arm.
McCown...older, can't win to help his life.
RG may have been the best of a bad situation.
Logic.
My advice? Stop breathing. As for whether McCarron and Garappolo are better "pure Qbs" than RG3, both backups are capable of running offenses built upon pre snap coverage recognition, the very thing RG3 is incapable of doing. In fact, you say RG3 can't even read a defense after the ball is snapped.
Yes...that is what I said...those guys are likely better. I didn't stutter.
But more importantly, both backup QBs are 3 years of NFL development ahead of Mitch "Aaron Rodgers" Trubisky.
But miles behind in talent. They are backups, and may likely remain backups. MT may become a star.
Why ride a mule when you can ride thoroughbred.
As for Myles Garrett, I don't understand why you can't judge him without all of the brownie related baggage. What's Courtney Brown have to do with anything?
Nothing.....I told you...it is pessimism based on a miserable history.
Garrett may be the next LT or the next Courtney Brown.
MT may be the next Aaron Rodgers, or the next Brady Quinn ( I have readily admitted that).
Allen may be the next Merlin Olsen....or the next Stapuff marshmallow man.
The Browns draftees always seem to turn out to be the latter, not the former.
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I know umad won't back down, but why would he? It's just message board dick-flexing at this point. I'd be willing to bet, however, if roles were reversed and Cincy was the team looking to acquire a QB, that he would be arguing it from the other side.
If Cincy was considering trading for the backup to a middle of the road starter whose playoff record makes Tony Romo look like Tom Brady, he would be the one worried about getting the short end of the stick. Then chances would be good that Gipper would be all for trading within the division to unload a player who is younger and bigger than Andy dalton, but can't beat out Andy dalton.
It's just a matter of perspective, really.
This is about perspective not the division.
I know umad won't back down, but why would he? It's just message board dick-flexing at this point. I'd be willing to bet, however, if roles were reversed and Cincy was the team looking to acquire a QB, that he would be arguing it from the other side.
If Cincy was considering trading for the backup to a middle of the road starter whose playoff record makes Tony Romo look like Tom Brady, he would be the one worried about getting the short end of the stick. Then chances would be good that Gipper would be all for trading within the division to unload a player who is younger and bigger than Andy dalton, but can't beat out Andy dalton.
It's just a matter of perspective, really.
This is about perspective not the division.
OK, I will be willing to trade Cody Kessler for AJ McCarron.
Or RG for McCarron. Sure, right now.
If Oprah wants to deal his backup QB, sure, we can make a deal.
If he wants a draft pick....a late 3rd rounder would be the offer.
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I know umad won't back down, but why would he? It's just message board dick-flexing at this point. I'd be willing to bet, however, if roles were reversed and Cincy was the team looking to acquire a QB, that he would be arguing it from the other side.
If Cincy was considering trading for the backup to a middle of the road starter whose playoff record makes Tony Romo look like Tom Brady, he would be the one worried about getting the short end of the stick. Then chances would be good that Gipper would be all for trading within the division to unload a player who is younger and bigger than Andy dalton, but can't beat out Andy dalton.
It's just a matter of perspective, really.
This is about perspective not the division.
OK, I will be willing to trade Cody Kessler for AJ McCarron.
Or RG for McCarron. Sure, right now.
If Oprah wants to deal his backup QB, sure, we can make a deal.
If he wants a draft pick....a late 3rd rounder would be the offer.
OK, I will be willing to trade Cody Kessler for AJ McCarron.
Or RG for McCarron. Sure, right now.
If Oprah wants to deal his backup QB, sure, we can make a deal.
If he wants a draft pick....a late 3rd rounder would be the offer.
I wouldn't make either of those deals.
Why would we trade young AJ McCarron for old AJ McCarron? Why would we trade a guy who at least has a 20% chance of still being good for a guy who has a 0% chance?
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OK, I will be willing to trade Cody Kessler for AJ McCarron.
Or RG for McCarron. Sure, right now.
If Oprah wants to deal his backup QB, sure, we can make a deal.
If he wants a draft pick....a late 3rd rounder would be the offer.
I wouldn't make either of those deals.
Why would we trade young AJ McCarron for old AJ McCarron? Why would we trade a guy who at least has a 20% chance of still being good for a guy who has a 0% chance?
I wouldn't make either of those deals.
Why would we trade young AJ McCarron for old AJ McCarron? Why would we trade a guy who at least has a 20% chance of still being good for a guy who has a 0% chance?
McCarron is 26, Kessler 23....so its not like there is that big of an age difference.
And are you saying that McCarron's QB skills are no greater than, perhaps less than those of Kessler?
OK, interesting. Lets see if Oprah agrees with you.
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Browns52---You're correct about RG3s running ability being his greatest strength. That's what's so odd about Hue making him a starter. You can Google old interviews where Jay Gruden explains why he had no interest in drafting Colin Kaepernick or any other mobile QB to run his scheme. Point blank, said if you're a QB and you run you're guilty of not running the offense. Yet he's talking about the very same scheme Hue put RG3 in charge of.
Royce---If roles were reversed I'd beat the drum loudly for a trade for either backup, not just because I think both are worth the risk, but also because doing so would allow my team to stay put and draft the best player 1st overall. I'll even take it a step further by saying I'd want McCarron over Garappolo due to the dramatically lower cost, both in real dollars and total draft picks surrendered.
TCPO---I like Kessler more than most and I wouldn't think twice about the way he was over drafted. Badly. The only thing important now is you've got your back up QB of the future. As for starting? Sure, why not? If you're not going anywhere Kessler can get you there as well as anyone.
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@ghoolie said:
.... at least NOT the Garoppolo we saw last year. If the Browns want THAT Garoppolo....... then they also need to get Bill Belichik, because this QB did what he did because he was carefully guided.
Entirely agree with this it should be obvious to everyone!
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@boo-fagley said:
Just more of the intelligent analysis that Ghoolie brings to the table.
He is likely dead on the money. Spend 1 and 12 on getting 2 defensive studs and 33 on Tribinsky.
Seriously? #33 on Trubisky....when he is likely to go Top 5?
Again...you proposed a bet, I took you up on it. Are you backing off Jack?
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@boo-fagley said:
Just more of the intelligent analysis that Ghoolie brings to the table.
He is likely dead on the money. Spend 1 and 12 on getting 2 defensive studs and 33 on Tribinsky.
FIFY...
I guess by contrast to all the horseshit, including the greatest HC of the modern era, if not all time, in a deal seems intelligent.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
@boo-fagley said:
Just more of the intelligent analysis that Ghoolie brings to the table.
He is likely dead on the money. Spend 1 and 12 on getting 2 defensive studs and 33 on Tribinsky.
FIFY...
I guess by contrast to all the horseshit, including the greatest HC of the modern era, if not all time, in a deal seems intelligent.
FIFY...
I guess by contrast to all the horseshit, including the greatest HC of the modern era, if not all time, in a deal seems intelligent.
Figure it out: Art Modell may have fired the two greatest HCs of all time. PB/BB
And some thought he should go into the HOF?
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Fire Hue Jackson.
Hire Bill Belichick.
Select Trubisky 1st, 12th, or 33rd overall.
It's good to see the Browns Board 's kung-fu grip on reality is as firm as always.
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@boo-fagley said:
What did Ghoolie say that was wrong?
Belichick did control Garapolos every move. Garapolo made the most out of it. Garapolo isnt Garapolo if Hue uses him the wrong way.
In this instance? Nothing. However, in the majority of his quoted posts that bleed thru my fire wall...
And if I use a wrench as a hammer, it's still a wrench. We can post axioms all day.
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Fire Hue Jackson.
Hire Bill Belichick.
Select Trubisky 1st, 12th, or 33rd overall.
It's good to see the Browns Board 's kung-fu grip on reality is as firm as always.
Fire Hue Jackson.
Hire Bill Belichick.
Select Trubisky 1st, 12th, or 33rd overall.
It's good to see the Browns Board 's kung-fu grip on reality is as firm as always.
Sometime Browns fans get over excited, unrealistic. Of course, no matter how bad things may be, we can always take comfort that nothing said on here can match the sheer inanity, vapidity, and fatuousness of the trolls that come here that root for other teams.
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choco---You're making a semantic argument while grown ups are sharing opinions. Props for knowing your limitations.
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