Pryor to Redskins
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@ghoolie said:
WOW.............. can you fucking imagine this? Another non-issue that won't do cunt-fuck to win football games consuming the Browns.
Pryor MAYBE is a #3 WR in Pittsburgh, He is an easy shut down adn resigning him means nothing without Gordon, or a Julio Jones caliber #1 WR. Pryor is okay, that's all. A C+ grade performer.
He would be #2. Beyond A. Brown the Steelers have fuck all at WR. That was proven vs. the Pats.
Besides...I thought you were the one that was all about the skill players. So, which is it.....WRs, OL, nobody worth your attention?
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Terrel Pryor at all costs.
He is a great example and role model to a player like Josh Gordon.
Both together would be an amazing to watch! Plus, a speedster like Coleman added to Gordon and Pryor would make it nearly impossible to stop.
Pryor and Gordon go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly.
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We dont exactly have playmaking freaks of nature falling in our laps every year, fucking keep pryor. From a physical standpoint he might be the most gifted wr in football, but yeah guys like him show up in berea every year looking for work so fuck it let him walk
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I think you guys have to understand that ghoolies not a browns fan anymore. He wants them to do everything possible to "not" get better so they'll fold and move again. He's said it himself, he wants a new franchise in cleveland
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I think you guys have to understand that ghoolies not a browns fan anymore. He wants them to do everything possible to "not" get better so they'll fold and move again. He's said it himself, he wants a new franchise in cleveland
I think you guys have to understand that ghoolies not a browns fan anymore. He wants them to do everything possible to "not" get better so they'll fold and move again. He's said it himself, he wants a new franchise in cleveland
You read far too much into the random trolling from some autistic lump.
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We dont exactly have playmaking freaks of nature falling in our laps every year, fucking keep pryor. From a physical standpoint he might be the most gifted wr in football, but yeah guys like him show up in berea every year looking for work so fuck it let him walk
We dont exactly have playmaking freaks of nature falling in our laps every year, fucking keep pryor.
From a physical standpoint he might be the most gifted wr in football, but yeah guys like him show up in berea every year looking for work so fuck it let him walk
"At all costs?"
Most physically gifted? Not feeling that... but even were I to concede that, he still has to develop a number of receiver skills to get in the best WR conversation.
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He's good. He'll get a big contract. But he's not in the same room let alone the same conversation as the actual Pro Bowl WR's.
I see more TP telling his nonsense agents to stop "demanding" the same deal as Dez Bryant rather than Browns management somehow deliberately low-balling.
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The agents are probably just stalling. If TP told them to get the deal done, they are just making sure they get max money for him, and only way to do that is to wait until the free-agency period opens up. I expect the deal will get done in the first week of March. TP has to do this because he's not likely to get a big-bucks next contract like a conventional standout drafted WR entering his prime would get.
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The agents are probably just stalling. If TP told them to get the deal done, they are just making sure they get max money for him, and only way to do that is to wait until the free-agency period opens up. I expect the deal will get done in the first week of March. TP has to do this because he's not likely to get a big-bucks next contract like a conventional standout drafted WR entering his prime would get.
The agents are probably just stalling. If TP told them to get the deal done, they are just making sure they get max money for him, and only way to do that is to wait until the free-agency period opens up. I expect the deal will get done in the first week of March. TP has to do this because he's not likely to get a big-bucks next contract like a conventional standout drafted WR entering his prime would get.
I have a feeling he might get franchised with a view to lengthening the exclusive negotiating period through most of the offseason.
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The agents are probably just stalling. If TP told them to get the deal done, they are just making sure they get max money for him, and only way to do that is to wait until the free-agency period opens up. I expect the deal will get done in the first week of March. TP has to do this because he's not likely to get a big-bucks next contract like a conventional standout drafted WR entering his prime would get.
I have a feeling he might get franchised with a view to lengthening the exclusive negotiating period through most of the offseason.
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The agents are probably just stalling. If TP told them to get the deal done, they are just making sure they get max money for him, and only way to do that is to wait until the free-agency period opens up. I expect the deal will get done in the first week of March. TP has to do this because he's not likely to get a big-bucks next contract like a conventional standout drafted WR entering his prime would get.
I have a feeling he might get franchised with a view to lengthening the exclusive negotiating period through most of the offseason.
I have a feeling he might get franchised with a view to lengthening the exclusive negotiating period through most of the offseason.
To franchise TP would cost the Browns about $16 million dollars: http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/02/nfl_franchise_tag_2017_position.html
I like the guy a lot and hope we re-sign him, but that would be absurd amount of money to pay him for what he's done in his career so far. I really doubt this FO would pull that either. The guy wants to be here, we can "overpay" him to stay here on a contract, all signs point to just getting the deal done.
My best guess because you have to tag someone is that it'll go to Colquitt.
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I have a feeling he might get franchised with a view to lengthening the exclusive negotiating period through most of the offseason.
To franchise TP would cost the Browns about $16 million dollars: http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/02/nfl_franchise_tag_2017_position.html
I like the guy a lot and hope we re-sign him, but that would be absurd amount of money to pay him for what he's done in his career so far. I really doubt this FO would pull that either. The guy wants to be here, we can "overpay" him to stay here on a contract, all signs point to just getting the deal done.
My best guess because you have to tag someone is that it'll go to Colquitt.
We won't franchise the punter.To franchise TP would cost the Browns about $16 million dollars: http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/02/nfl_franchise_tag_2017_position.html
I like the guy a lot and hope we re-sign him, but that would be absurd amount of money to pay him for what he's done in his career so far. I really doubt this FO would pull that either. The guy wants to be here, we can "overpay" him to stay here on a contract, all signs point to just getting the deal done.
My best guess because you have to tag someone is that it'll go to Colquitt.
I'm not saying franchise Pryor and leave it there - just use it as a tool to get more negotiating time.
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I have a feeling he might get franchised with a view to lengthening the exclusive negotiating period through most of the offseason.
To franchise TP would cost the Browns about $16 million dollars: http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/02/nfl_franchise_tag_2017_position.html
I like the guy a lot and hope we re-sign him, but that would be absurd amount of money to pay him for what he's done in his career so far. I really doubt this FO would pull that either. The guy wants to be here, we can "overpay" him to stay here on a contract, all signs point to just getting the deal done.
My best guess because you have to tag someone is that it'll go to Colquitt.
To franchise TP would cost the Browns about $16 million dollars: http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/02/nfl_franchise_tag_2017_position.html
I like the guy a lot and hope we re-sign him, but that would be absurd amount of money to pay him for what he's done in his career so far.
But it is still cheaper than the commitment we will have to make to him to lock him into a multi-year deal.
If we are not sure how high his ceiling is, then the tag is a viable, smart route.
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If you have the money just laying around, you might as well spend it on him. It will build up some good will on his part that you overpaid him so much, won't affect the health of our roster going forward, and will give us another year to evaluate him.
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How is that Joe Haden contract working out? And how many Pro Bowls did he make.
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How is that Joe Haden contract working out? And how many Pro Bowls did he make.
How is that Joe Haden contract working out? And how many Pro Bowls did he make.
Let me try to follow the logic here - we had a good young corner that we drafted high and who played well; he went to the pro-bowl; we signed him to a long contract extension; he then went to another pro-bowl; he's been injured a lot the last couple of year; therefore we shouldn't sign anyone to a contract extension?
Sound.
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To franchise TP would cost the Browns about $16 million dollars: http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/02/nfl_franchise_tag_2017_position.html
I like the guy a lot and hope we re-sign him, but that would be absurd amount of money to pay him for what he's done in his career so far.
But it is still cheaper than the commitment we will have to make to him to lock him into a multi-year deal.
If we are not sure how high his ceiling is, then the tag is a viable, smart route.
But it is still cheaper than the commitment we will have to make to him to lock him into a multi-year deal.
If we are not sure how high his ceiling is, then the tag is a viable, smart route.
I'd ask you to go more into detail on this. If we keep the tag on TP as noted he would cost the Browns $16 or so million. I get and understand the idea a contract can be negotiated during this time, but assuming he signs the tag that's overpaying for TP given his career production wouldn't you agree?
If we sign him to a contract with about that same money guaranteed (again, my target would be something like 4 yr/$35 million with $16-20 mil guaranteed) and back-load it, we would be paying the guy roughly the same amount of money over the first two years of the contract to include his guarantees. If the dudes balls out he's worth the $9-10 million you're giving him in the last two years of the deal in this back load scenario. If he bottoms out (which still is a concern of mine as it should be for the Browns) after two years you release him for the cap space. I prefer option two because it provides much more stability without nearly as much cost.
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How is that Joe Haden contract working out? And how many Pro Bowls did he make.
How is that Joe Haden contract working out? And how many Pro Bowls did he make.
Two Pro Bowls, one All Pro team
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But it is still cheaper than the commitment we will have to make to him to lock him into a multi-year deal.
If we are not sure how high his ceiling is, then the tag is a viable, smart route.
I'd ask you to go more into detail on this. If we keep the tag on TP as noted he would cost the Browns $16 or so million. I get and understand the idea a contract can be negotiated during this time, but assuming he signs the tag that's overpaying for TP given his career production wouldn't you agree?
If we sign him to a contract with about that same money guaranteed (again, my target would be something like 4 yr/$35 million with $16-20 mil guaranteed) and back-load it, we would be paying the guy roughly the same amount of money over the first two years of the contract to include his guarantees. If the dudes balls out he's worth the $9-10 million you're giving him in the last two years of the deal in this back load scenario. If he bottoms out (which still is a concern of mine as it should be for the Browns) after two years you release him for the cap space. I prefer option two because it provides much more stability without nearly as much cost.
I'd ask you to go more into detail on this. If we keep the tag on TP as noted he would cost the Browns $16 or so million. I get and understand the idea a contract can be negotiated during this time, but assuming he signs the tag that's overpaying for TP given his career production wouldn't you agree?
If we sign him to a contract with about that same money guaranteed (again, my target would be something like 4 yr/$35 million with $16-20 mil guaranteed) and back-load it, we would be paying the guy roughly the same amount of money over the first two years of the contract to include his guarantees. If the dudes balls out he's worth the $9-10 million you're giving him in the last two years of the deal in this back load scenario. If he bottoms out (which still is a concern of mine as it should be for the Browns) after two years you release him for the cap space. I prefer option two because it provides much more stability without nearly as much cost.
Sure... start with this...
When you have cap space now, then you front load contracts. Bringing the bulk of the guaranteed money to year one keeps the books clear in the out years for resigning other talent and making that last FA push.
But even setting that aside...
Your offer, which would be rejected IMO, pays out $9mm in round numbers in year one. The tag estimate for WRs I've seen are a shade over $15mm. So it appears I am paying a $6mm premium for "one more look".
However, if your guaranteed money is truly guaranteed, and is not of that roster bonus, soft-money variety, then you paid ~$22mm for that same look. And, again, the only way I can see your offer having chance of being acceptable is if the guaranteed amount was absolute.
The way your approach pays off is if TP turns out to be the real deal. A status I do not see at this time.
All the above said hang with me one more second while I restate my original contract position for TP, an incentive-laden package.
Take your base, or even a slightly lower one... say $8mm/yr, or $32mm for four-years, with about 50% guaranteed of which half is payable at signing. A total of $12mm upfront.
Layer atop that base up to $4mm/yr in incentives ranging from the mundane games played to catches/yards/TDs payable at season's end. If he emerges as a #1, this let's him be paid as one.
Ramp up of the base and incentives in the out years can be negotiated, as could a 5th-year option. The ramp ups might even be based upon prior years' cumulative bonus payouts, if league rules/the CBA allow such arrangements.
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