Garrett and Hooker. Why not?
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Or the next Kam Wimbley and Justin Gilbert. Though, I think we already went over this.
Repeatedly......
We know we know.....why draft the next Courtney Brown, when we can have the next Ryan Leaf?
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Or the next Kam Wimbley and Justin Gilbert. Though, I think we already went over this.
Repeatedly......
We know we know.....why draft the next Courtney Brown, when we can have the next Ryan Leaf?
Repeatedly......
We know we know.....why draft the next Courtney Brown, when we can have the next Ryan Leaf?
LOL!
How many of these kinds of plays per game for the Browns would you need from MG to consider him a successful draft pick? Question is for all.
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Or the next Kam Wimbley and Justin Gilbert. Though, I think we already went over this.
Repeatedly......
We know we know.....why draft the next Courtney Brown, when we can have the next Ryan Leaf?
Repeatedly......
We know we know.....why draft the next Courtney Brown, when we can have the next Ryan Leaf?
I guess it is just a mentality that Browns fans have unfortuneatly developed after so many years of poor drafting:
Draft 4 QBs in the first round: all busts
Draft 3 DEs in the first round: all busts
Even when they hit on a Joe Thomas, they then take a Cam Erving.
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LOL!
How many of these kinds of plays per game for the Browns would you need from MG to consider him a successful draft pick? Question is for all.
We got all the same highlights from Brown, Mingo, Wimbley.
If and when he does those things in the NFL..perhaps for the Browns.....THEN we can consider him to be a successful draft pick.
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When I look at the criteria the new Browns coaches and FO use,
they would NEVER have drafted the busts.
So, things are really looking up, bigly.
My question is, given a selection criteria including work ethic, love for the game,
character, football IQ...
who would be a more dramatic impact player for the Browns - Garrett...or Jamal Adams?
Not even Garrett can get to a qb before he throws to a wide open TE in 1.5 seconds.
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When I look at the criteria the new Browns coaches and FO use,
they would NEVER have drafted the busts.
So, things are really looking up, bigly.
My question is, given a selection criteria including work ethic, love for the game,
character, football IQ...
who would be a more dramatic impact player for the Browns - Garrett...or Jamal Adams?
Not even Garrett can get to a qb before he throws to a wide open TE in 1.5 seconds.
who would be a more dramatic impact player for the Browns - Garrett...or Jamal Adams?Not even Garrett can get to a qb before he throws to a wide open TE in 1.5 seconds.
A reasonable question...
Personally I think it would be nice if it took 1.5-second passes to beat our pass rush as opposed to the 2.5+ QBs now have.
When you can reliably bring pressure faster, you reduce the opposing QB's route options and shrink the field your DBs must cover.
Front to back and inside out...
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LOL!
How many of these kinds of plays per game for the Browns would you need from MG to consider him a successful draft pick? Question is for all.
We got all the same highlights from Brown, Mingo, Wimbley.
If and when he does those things in the NFL..perhaps for the Browns.....THEN we can consider him to be a successful draft pick.
We got all the same highlights from Brown, Mingo, Wimbley.
If and when he does those things in the NFL..perhaps for the Browns.....THEN we can consider him to be a successful draft pick.
That wasn't the question. The question was how many of those kinds of plays per game would make you think he was a good pick? Von Miller actually gets to QB's about 2-3 times a game and pressures 2 to 3 x's that number (just my guess). He's currently the best in the game. So what would you want from Garrett to say, "Yeah, great pick!"? What is your criteria?
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We got all the same highlights from Brown, Mingo, Wimbley.
If and when he does those things in the NFL..perhaps for the Browns.....THEN we can consider him to be a successful draft pick.
That wasn't the question. The question was how many of those kinds of plays per game would make you think he was a good pick? Von Miller actually gets to QB's about 2-3 times a game and pressures 2 to 3 x's that number (just my guess). He's currently the best in the game. So what would you want from Garrett to say, "Yeah, great pick!"? What is your criteria?
That wasn't the question. The question was how many of those kinds of plays per game would make you think he was a good pick? Von Miller actually gets to QB's about 2-3 times a game and pressures 2 to 3 x's that number (just my guess). He's currently the best in the game. So what would you want from Garrett to say, "Yeah, great pick!"? What is your criteria?
My criteria is that he prove it in the pros. Nothing he does in college will make me say "great pick". Or are you asking "how many of those kinds of plays that he makes per game in the pros would make you say "great pick". If so....sure, the numbers you give would be fine...if done in the pros.
But nothing he does in college will make me say he is "the best in the game"...if you are talking about the pros. If you are talking about college...it don't mean shit. Nate Orchard had more sacks/pressures while in college. That don't make him a great pass rusher.
No pick can be called a great pick until a couple of years into their pro career.
Cleveland has made great picks in the past: they are called LeBron James and Kyrie Irving...but that's a different sport.
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That wasn't the question. The question was how many of those kinds of plays per game would make you think he was a good pick? Von Miller actually gets to QB's about 2-3 times a game and pressures 2 to 3 x's that number (just my guess). He's currently the best in the game. So what would you want from Garrett to say, "Yeah, great pick!"? What is your criteria?
My criteria is that he prove it in the pros. Nothing he does in college will make me say "great pick". Or are you asking "how many of those kinds of plays that he makes per game in the pros would make you say "great pick". If so....sure, the numbers you give would be fine...if done in the pros.
But nothing he does in college will make me say he is "the best in the game"...if you are talking about the pros. If you are talking about college...it don't mean shit. Nate Orchard had more sacks/pressures while in college. That don't make him a great pass rusher.
No pick can be called a great pick until a couple of years into their pro career.
Cleveland has made great picks in the past: they are called LeBron James and Kyrie Irving...but that's a different sport.
My criteria is that he prove it in the pros. Nothing he does in college will make me say "great pick". Or are you asking "how many of those kinds of plays that he makes per game in the pros would make you say "great pick". If so....sure, the numbers you give would be fine...if done in the pros.
But nothing he does in college will make me say he is "the best in the game"...if you are talking about the pros. If you are talking about college...it don't mean shit. Nate Orchard had more sacks/pressures while in college. That don't make him a great pass rusher.
No pick can be called a great pick until a couple of years into their pro career.
Cleveland has made great picks in the past: they are called LeBron James and Kyrie Irving...but that's a different sport.
He's done with college so the question was strictly for the pros in terms of what makes you say at the end of a year or two, "Great pick". Those college highlights are very similar to Von's which did translate to the pros, so I only placed them there to show what I mean by great plays. I would want the same from him on the pro level very near to Von, though it would be foolish of me to expect it all the first year to match a guy with several years in now that is the best. Clowney is beginning to reach that level after a couple of injury plagued years.
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My criteria is that he prove it in the pros. Nothing he does in college will make me say "great pick". Or are you asking "how many of those kinds of plays that he makes per game in the pros would make you say "great pick". If so....sure, the numbers you give would be fine...if done in the pros.
But nothing he does in college will make me say he is "the best in the game"...if you are talking about the pros. If you are talking about college...it don't mean shit. Nate Orchard had more sacks/pressures while in college. That don't make him a great pass rusher.
No pick can be called a great pick until a couple of years into their pro career.
Cleveland has made great picks in the past: they are called LeBron James and Kyrie Irving...but that's a different sport.
He's done with college so the question was strictly for the pros in terms of what makes you say at the end of a year or two, "Great pick". Those college highlights are very similar to Von's which did translate to the pros, so I only placed them there to show what I mean by great plays. I would want the same from him on the pro level very near to Von, though it would be foolish of me to expect it all the first year to match a guy with several years in now that is the best. Clowney is beginning to reach that level after a couple of injury plagued years.
He's done with college so the question was strictly for the pros in terms of what makes you say at the end of a year or two, "Great pick". Those college highlights are very similar to Von's which did translate to the pros, so I only placed them there to show what I mean by great plays. I would want the same from him on the pro level very near to Von, though it would be foolish of me to expect it all the first year to match a guy with several years in now that is the best. Clowney is beginning to reach that level after a couple of injury plagued years.
Well, weren't you one of them on here telling us how JMZ's college performance was going to translate to the pros? We see how that turned out.
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In my eyes for garett to be a successful pick he also has to be decent against the run. If he's just a pass rushing specialist....meh. Teams just start running all over us so there negates his pass rush
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He's done with college so the question was strictly for the pros in terms of what makes you say at the end of a year or two, "Great pick". Those college highlights are very similar to Von's which did translate to the pros, so I only placed them there to show what I mean by great plays. I would want the same from him on the pro level very near to Von, though it would be foolish of me to expect it all the first year to match a guy with several years in now that is the best. Clowney is beginning to reach that level after a couple of injury plagued years.
Well, weren't you one of them on here telling us how JMZ's college performance was going to translate to the pros? We see how that turned out.
Well, weren't you one of them on here telling us how JMZ's college performance was going to translate to the pros? We see how that turned out.
No one here or elsewhere saw his alcohol problem playing out the way it did. And you already know that Garrett isn't even close to those off-field problems. Apples and oranges.
Manziel showed potential but he self destructed.
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Garrett claims he benches 485lbs., runs a 4.45 40 and has a 40" vertical. If he tests that at the Combine combined with his college production he seems like a solid pick.
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I really don't think Hooker will be there at 12 but they appear to have the potential to go at those picks. The big question is who else in this draft is worth the 1st and 12th pick that everyone would like instead. I really don't see a QB yet that jumps out enough to warrant either of those picks. I would like to upgrade at QB for sure; I am just not sure any of the QBs in this draft are a big enough upgrade to use our 1st or 12th pick on them.
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Far to many options.And a 5th year option on any of these QB's is not one of them. We can't stash them & we can't play them with this pass pro.(right Kess?) But we can run block for 4-5 yrds. per carry as Duke & Crow proved.(crazy).#1 it's Garrett/Allen pend Hue/Gregg....#12--It's what we do,now..Trade it.. for a additional 1st in 18. Even with adding S Tyvis Powell, I still prefer to trade-up #12 to Adams,Hooker or Foster. Imo, we got Powell cuz our FO also see's Adams nor Hooker being around at #12 either.
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Well, weren't you one of them on here telling us how JMZ's college performance was going to translate to the pros? We see how that turned out.
No one here or elsewhere saw his alcohol problem playing out the way it did. And you already know that Garrett isn't even close to those off-field problems. Apples and oranges.
Manziel showed potential but he self destructed.
No one here or elsewhere saw his alcohol problem playing out the way it did. And you already know that Garrett isn't even close to those off-field problems. Apples and oranges.
Manziel showed potential but he self destructed.
Apart from his off field issues, I don't think JFF showed much potential, at all. The potential to be a third stringer or a backup at best.
Not as good as say the other most famous short QB: Doug Flutie.
Maybe, like Flutie, he could play a little.
Like Flutie Canada is where Johnny needs to go. His talents fit much better in that game than in the NFL.
And maybe like Flutie he could come back after he has matured a lot and learned how to play some, and maybe contribute to some NFL team.
Questionable, but maybe.
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Garrett claims he benches 485lbs., runs a 4.45 40 and has a 40" vertical. If he tests that at the Combine combined with his college production he seems like a solid pick.
Garrett claims he benches 485lbs., runs a 4.45 40 and has a 40" vertical. If he tests that at the Combine combined with his college production he seems like a solid pick.
Then maybe sign him up for the Olympic Decathlon.
The question will still be can he play pro football the way some people think he can.
Workout warriors often fail when it comes to playing the actual game.
I am not saying Garrett may not be just a workout warrior. But he still has a lot of proving to do. (as would every single every other rookie drafted or signed)
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I really don't think Hooker will be there at 12 but they appear to have the potential to go at those picks. The big question is who else in this draft is worth the 1st and 12th pick that everyone would like instead. I really don't see a QB yet that jumps out enough to warrant either of those picks. I would like to upgrade at QB for sure; I am just not sure any of the QBs in this draft are a big enough upgrade to use our 1st or 12th pick on them.
I really don't think Hooker will be there at 12 but they appear to have the potential to go at those picks. The big question is who else in this draft is worth the 1st and 12th pick that everyone would like instead. I really don't see a QB yet that jumps out enough to warrant either of those picks. I would like to upgrade at QB for sure; I am just not sure any of the QBs in this draft are a big enough upgrade to use our 1st or 12th pick on them.
Maybe not #12...but I see one that warrants the #1 pick....as he will not be there at #12.
And I have a pitcher of margarita's riding on that. (that he won't go as late as 12)
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Well, weren't you one of them on here telling us how JMZ's college performance was going to translate to the pros? We see how that turned out.
No one here or elsewhere saw his alcohol problem playing out the way it did. And you already know that Garrett isn't even close to those off-field problems. Apples and oranges.
Manziel showed potential but he self destructed.
No one here or elsewhere saw his alcohol problem playing out the way it did.
No one... anywhere?
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Far to many options.And a 5th year option on any of these QB's is not one of them. We can't stash them & we can't play them with this pass pro.(right Kess?) But we can run block for 4-5 yrds. per carry as Duke & Crow proved.(crazy).#1 it's Garrett/Allen pend Hue/Gregg....#12--It's what we do,now..Trade it.. for a additional 1st in 18. Even with adding S Tyvis Powell, I still prefer to trade-up #12 to Adams,Hooker or Foster. Imo, we got Powell cuz our FO also see's Adams nor Hooker being around at #12 either.
Far to many options.And a 5th year option on any of these QB's is not one of them. We can't stash them & we can't play them with this pass pro.(right Kess?) But we can run block for 4-5 yrds. per carry as Duke & Crow proved.(crazy).#1 it's Garrett/Allen pend Hue/Gregg....#12--It's what we do,now..Trade it.. for a additional 1st in 18. Even with adding S Tyvis Powell, I still prefer to trade-up #12 to Adams,Hooker or Foster. Imo, we got Powell cuz our FO also see's Adams nor Hooker being around at #12 either.
Fifth year option is not about stashing anyone. It's about if we think a guy is the guy, take him at 32 not 33, for the price of a 6th round pick, get him for another relatively cheap year. It's something like $16m instead of $25m
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