Let's Let Joe Thomas Start the Combine Thread
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UM fans and those outside the program desperately want the nostalgia of Woodson. Compared Peppers year vs Adoree' Jackson, then tell me exactly why Jabrill was receiving such Heisman attention.So did Otto Graham who took Cleveland to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championships in his first 10 years. But staying in the context of the conversation, Gilbert and Manziel did not love football when we drafted them instead of Khalil Mack and Derek Carr who prioritized it.
Peppers has to have some good qualities to be getting the attention and praise I've seen about him. A lot of people that watch Michigan every week swear he's something special they haven't seen in quite a while. You do a nice job in here with your analyses of some of the prospects but it's also possible the OSU-Michigan rivalry has you going out of your way a little bit extra with some bias against him. I could be wrong on that though since others don't buy into him either.
FWIW - here's what Lindy's Sports Pro Football Draft 2017 has to say about Peppers on page 80: "Pound for pound, Peppers might just be the best open-field tackler in the country - which is why Jim Harbaugh and the Wolverines opted to play him so close to the line of scrimmage."
It's also funny that you've given me thumbs up for my objective evals on Buckeyes, yet call me bias regarding UM players. Ignoring the fact I haven't been shy in my praise of calling Jake Butt a future stud in the mold of Witten.
edit: Also considering Woodys mention of 'anonymous' scouts recently citing they believe Peppers to be a better offensive than defensive player, yet I have a post dating back to September after watching all 2015 and saying the same thing well in advance. There are Football minds in favor of my opinion on Jabrill. I fully expect him to tumble well outside of the top 10-15 that many here have labeled him worthy of.
UM fans and those outside the program desperately want the nostalgia of Woodson. Compared Peppers year vs Adoree' Jackson, then tell me exactly why Jabrill was receiving such Heisman attention.
It's also funny that you've given me thumbs up for my objective evals on Buckeyes, yet call me bias regarding UM players. Ignoring the fact I haven't been shy in my praise of calling Jake Butt a future stud in the mold of Witten.
Do you know we already had this discussion in this very same thread? Are you reading what I write or remembering you write at all here? Now it looks like you edited the last part so I'll cut and paste the first go round and then I'll get to the edited version.
tiamat63, on 06 Mar 2017 - 2:06 PM, said:
UM fans and those outside the program desperately want the nostalgia of Woodson. Compared Peppers year vs Adoree' Jackson, then tell me exactly why Jabrill was receiving such Heisman attention.
It's also funny that you've given me praise
Praise? Are you reading? I've given you compliments more in the last year than I ever have so I can't help it if you're suddenly surprised about it. Praise might be a little over-exaggerated. I thought your Adoree Jackson analysis was very good and told you that right? It's still in that thread so check out the date and time.
Anyway, Peppers is a Safety that scored TDs as a return man on Special Teams and when he lined up at RB so I'm not the one you need to picket in protest about the lingering sour grapes you have about his Heisman attention. I can assure you I had zero to do with any of that attention though. - Flugel
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Now onto your edited version. First, I don't remember ever conversing with you about Jake Butt any time recently especially since he's injured and dropping so let's stay on Peppers.
I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Adoree Jackson here - he's entirely a separate entity that has zero bearing on where/when Peppers will get drafted. You really don't think you're coming off like a person pissed at the attention Peppers got to the extent you're really negative about him in this draft? Your posts in this thread seem otherwise.... - Flugel Part II
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UM fans and those outside the program desperately want the nostalgia of Woodson. Compared Peppers year vs Adoree' Jackson, then tell me exactly why Jabrill was receiving such Heisman attention.
It's also funny that you've given me thumbs up for my objective evals on Buckeyes, yet call me bias regarding UM players. Ignoring the fact I haven't been shy in my praise of calling Jake Butt a future stud in the mold of Witten.
Do you know we already had this discussion in this very same thread? Are you reading what I write or remembering you write at all here? Now it looks like you edited the last part so I'll cut and paste the first go round and then I'll get to the edited version.
tiamat63, on 06 Mar 2017 - 2:06 PM, said:
UM fans and those outside the program desperately want the nostalgia of Woodson. Compared Peppers year vs Adoree' Jackson, then tell me exactly why Jabrill was receiving such Heisman attention.
It's also funny that you've given me praise
Praise? Are you reading? I've given you compliments more in the last year than I ever have so I can't help it if you're suddenly surprised about it. Praise might be a little over-exaggerated. I thought your Adoree Jackson analysis was very good and told you that right? It's still in that thread so check out the date and time.
Anyway, Peppers is a Safety that scored TDs as a return man on Special Teams and when he lined up at RB so I'm not the one you need to picket in protest about the lingering sour grapes you have about his Heisman attention. I can assure you I had zero to do with any of that attention though. - Flugel
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Now onto your edited version. First, I don't remember ever conversing with you about Jake Butt any time recently especially since he's injured and dropping so let's stay on Peppers.
I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Adoree Jackson here - he's entirely a separate entity that has zero bearing on where/when Peppers will get drafted. You really don't think you're coming off like a person pissed at the attention Peppers got to the extent you're really negative about him in this draft? Your posts in this thread seem otherwise.... - Flugel Part II
Do you know we already had this discussion in this very same thread? Are you reading what I write or remembering you write at all here?
Just like your Tim Tebow comment that was so far out of the context of the discussion Tia. I thought the 2 of us were long past this.
I don't mind disagreeing. I'm telling you your assessment of Peppers seems a little aggressive especially when you detour to sour grapes about how much attention he got that Adoree Jackson should have. We're talking about what Peppers offers an NFL DC.
You speak of heart and charismatic attitudes, my highlight of Tebow was giving an example of similar player that received attention not in proportion with his skill set but "loves" the game.
My assessment of any player being spoken of well outside what they've shown will come across aggressive.
I joined this board August of 14'. You should see some of the words I had reserved for Manziel pre and post draft. Peppers just so happens to be a UM player. My mentioning of Adoree isn't sour grapes, it's a reality check on just how a hype train and name can carry someone to Heisman status.
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Do you know we already had this discussion in this very same thread? Are you reading what I write or remembering you write at all here?
Just like your Tim Tebow comment that was so far out of the context of the discussion Tia. I thought the 2 of us were long past this.
I don't mind disagreeing. I'm telling you your assessment of Peppers seems a little aggressive especially when you detour to sour grapes about how much attention he got that Adoree Jackson should have. We're talking about what Peppers offers an NFL DC.
You speak of heart and charismatic attitudes, my highlight of Tebow was giving an example of similar player that received attention not in proportion with his skill set but "loves" the game.
My assessment of any player being spoken of well outside what they've shown will come across aggressive.
I joined this board August of 14'. You should see some of the words I had reserved for Manziel pre and post draft. Peppers just so happens to be a UM player. My mentioning of Adoree isn't sour grapes, it's a reality check on just how a hype train and name can carry someone to Heisman status.
You speak of heart and charismatic attitudes, my highlight of Tebow was giving an example of similar player that received attention not in proportion with his skill set but "loves" the game.
My assessment of any player being spoken of well outside what they've shown will come across aggressive.
I joined this board August of 14'. You should see some of the words I had reserved for Manziel pre and post draft. Peppers just so happens to be a UM player. My mentioning of Adoree isn't sour grapes, it's a reality check on just how a hype train and name can carry someone to Heisman status.
Alright Tia. Fair enough. Thanks!
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
"At last our long, national nightmare is over." - G. Ford.... UM Alum...
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A few players that caught my eye on Sunday...
- Haason Reddick (Temple) - not like he came out of nowhere after his SR. Bowl, but my Lord what an athlete.
- Trey Hendickson (Florida Atlantic) - every time I looked up the kid was posting a result near the top of the board or flashing in a drill.
- Bryan Cox, Jr. (Florida) - did not measure all that well, but seemed to nail the field drills. Bloodline is at once intriguing and a bit alarming, but Dad has mellowed into a pretty good position coach.
- Alex Anzalone (Florida) - shades of Sean Lee... only ability in question is availability.
- Tyus Bowser (UH) - always need a Cougar on my sleeper list and this one just woke up posting as strong a set of measurables as any LB and looked great in the drills.
- Anthony Walker, Jr. (NWU) - solidified his position as one of my sleepers. I really liked his tape. Did not stun at the Combine, but measured and moved better than I thought he would.
Just realized that virtually all my "eye-catchers" are LB candidates, so here's a couple shout outs to the D-side's big-uglies...
- Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA) - reminds me of old fav, Billy Winn... motor to burn, but with a knee question.
- Ryan Glasgow (UM) - every list needs a kid with a lunch pail... here's a good one. Measured OK-ish, but looked better in drills than expected.
- Caleb Brantley (Florida) - not a guy on my radar, but the third UF player on my list. Moved easily in drills, but his 1.78 10-yd split caught my attention early.
- Davin Tomlinson (BAMA) - just as my list needs a lunch-bucket guy every year, so too does it need a "the other guy". Play in a DL with a guy named Allen and all you can be is the other guy. This one looked pretty good moving around at 310 lb.
A few players that caught my eye on Sunday...
- Haason Reddick (Temple) - not like he came out of nowhere after his SR. Bowl, but my Lord what an athlete.
- Trey Hendickson (Florida Atlantic) - every time I looked up the kid was posting a result near the top of the board or flashing in a drill.
- Bryan Cox, Jr. (Florida) - did not measure all that well, but seemed to nail the field drills. Bloodline is at once intriguing and a bit alarming, but Dad has mellowed into a pretty good position coach.
- Alex Anzalone (Florida) - shades of Sean Lee... only ability in question is availability.
- Tyus Bowser (UH) - always need a Cougar on my sleeper list and this one just woke up posting as strong a set of measurables as any LB and looked great in the drills.
- Anthony Walker, Jr. (NWU) - solidified his position as one of my sleepers. I really liked his tape. Did not stun at the Combine, but measured and moved better than I thought he would.
Just realized that virtually all my "eye-catchers" are LB candidates, so here's a couple shout outs to the D-side's big-uglies...
- Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA) - reminds me of old fav, Billy Winn... motor to burn, but with a knee question.
- Ryan Glasgow (UM) - every list needs a kid with a lunch pail... here's a good one. Measured OK-ish, but looked better in drills than expected.
- Caleb Brantley (Florida) - not a guy on my radar, but the third UF player on my list. Moved easily in drills, but his 1.78 10-yd split caught my attention early.
- Davin Tomlinson (BAMA) - just as my list needs a lunch-bucket guy every year, so too does it need a "the other guy". Play in a DL with a guy named Allen and all you can be is the other guy. This one looked pretty good moving around at 310 lb.
Dalvin (if I'm thinking of the right kid) could be the perfect late-round pick to back up Danny for the next 5 years (at least). Not a star, but a really solid NT.
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You speak of heart and charismatic attitudes, my highlight of Tebow was giving an example of similar player that received attention not in proportion with his skill set but "loves" the game.
My assessment of any player being spoken of well outside what they've shown will come across aggressive.
I joined this board August of 14'. You should see some of the words I had reserved for Manziel pre and post draft. Peppers just so happens to be a UM player. My mentioning of Adoree isn't sour grapes, it's a reality check on just how a hype train and name can carry someone to Heisman status.
Alright Tia. Fair enough. Thanks!
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And it seems the Browns were one 4 teams, along with Det. Cincy and N.O., that interviewed Joe Mixon.
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I cannot get past that Mixon tape... and I'm one who believes in 2nd chances and time passage... but I just can't....
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And tried to play the race card to get himself out of the trouble. Scumbag but some NFL team is going to take him
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Myles Garrett will be on the Dan Patrick show tomorrow 9am est 334 Direct TV AUDHD if you are interested.
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I cannot get past that Mixon tape... and I'm one who believes in 2nd chances and time passage... but I just can't....
I cannot get past that Mixon tape... and I'm one who believes in 2nd chances and time passage... but I just can't....
First time I've seen the video Tour. He's got a good KO punch with that right hook. Shades of Ray Rice. Yeah she shoved him first, but that was no reason to retaliate like that. I hope that was just a cursory inquiry by the Browns. Certainly enough reason to ban him from the combine.
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Why was my comment deleted?
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I cannot get past that Mixon tape... and I'm one who believes in 2nd chances and time passage... but I just can't....
First time I've seen the video Tour. He's got a good KO punch with that right hook. Shades of Ray Rice. Yeah she shoved him first, but that was no reason to retaliate like that. I hope that was just a cursory inquiry by the Browns. Certainly enough reason to ban him from the combine.
Shades of Ray Rice.(BINGO) Yeah she shoved him first, but that was no reason to retaliate like that. I hope that was just a cursory inquiry by the Browns. Certainly enough reason to ban him from the combine.
blow it up hoorta. note he almost walked away from it, than at 0:38 that is a spat in her face just like Rice (in elevator/blame mouth piece with Taylor?) than the right hand he wants back. The story I don't get, he was aloud to speak to a lot of children's groups on his mistake he made at age 18. But not much more from that..we maybe opening any window up now..
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