Beware The Next Jeff George & David Carr Greatest Workouts Ever Types Today.
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Well since we are in full agreement Flugs, .............................well stated!
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can't wait until after the draft and all the little aggies go and root for whatever team gets garrett
can't wait until after the draft and all the little aggies go and root for whatever team gets garrett
You're not a very observant person are you?
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History over the last 20 drafts shows that every other year(50%) the first round is bust city for QB's.....every other year......
here is a link to the QB draft history......
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position
Now.....look up the 1st round QB's in 2014 - 2013 - 2010 - 2007 - 2006 - 2002 - 2001 - 2000 - 1997 - 1996....
All those busts....why?.....because teams over draft QB ...year in and year out.....drafting a guy in the first, just "because" thats where you get them, is stupid when there is not one that demands it.....this year is gonna be one of those years.....
That is 10 years out of 20 where the first round did NOT produce a franchise QB.....
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History over the last 20 drafts shows that every other year(50%) the first round is bust city for QB's.....every other year......
here is a link to the QB draft history......
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position
Now.....look up the 1st round QB's in 2014 - 2013 - 2010 - 2007 - 2006 - 2002 - 2001 - 2000 - 1997 - 1996....
All those busts....why?.....because teams over draft QB ...year in and year out.....drafting a guy in the first, just "because" thats where you get them, is stupid when there is not one that demands it.....this year is gonna be one of those years.....
That is 10 years out of 20 where the first round did NOT produce a franchise QB.....
drafting a guy in the first, just "because" thats where you get them, is stupid when there is not one that demands it.....this year is gonna be one of those years.....
Precisely! Well said.
People always like to conveniently forget the existence of 1st round picks like: Joey Harrington, David Carr, Jeff George, David Klingler, Akili Smith, Blake Bortles, Jamarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, Patrick Ramsey, Jake Locker, Jay Cutler, Matt Leinart, Cade McNown, EJ Manual, JP Losman, Patrick Ramsey, Blaine Gabbert, Heath Shuler, etc.
There's probably a couple of hose guys that could have played much better in better surroundings (ie; David Carr). But I could be wrong with that. Remember all the QBs in Tampa that played like the stink they were surrounded by such as Steve Young, Doug Williams and Vinny Testaverde? Every one of those prematurely labelled busts in Tampa made Pro Bowls and Playoffs after Tampa. Even Vinny who QB'd the Jets to an NFC Championship Game out in Denver.What changed? Their chances to succeed. Cleveland ain't offering a chance to succeed - they're offering rookie QBs what Tampa Bay used to.
Poor Kyle Boller was named after a different sport so it's a good thing his parents decided to spell their last name wrong when he opted to play football.
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History over the last 20 drafts shows that every other year(50%) the first round is bust city for QB's.....every other year......
here is a link to the QB draft history......
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position
Now.....look up the 1st round QB's in 2014 - 2013 - 2010 - 2007 - 2006 - 2002 - 2001 - 2000 - 1997 - 1996....
All those busts....why?.....because teams over draft QB ...year in and year out.....drafting a guy in the first, just "because" thats where you get them, is stupid when there is not one that demands it.....this year is gonna be one of those years.....
That is 10 years out of 20 where the first round did NOT produce a franchise QB.....
That is 10 years out of 20 where the first round did NOT produce a franchise QB.....
Precisely! Well said.
And Ill take it one further....
In addition to the 10 out of the last 20 drafts that did NOT produce a 1st round franchise QB....lets look at a few years that did...
2012 produced Luck.....but someone else drafted RG iii at #2...
2011 is the most comical mess Ive ever seen....Jake Locker at #8....Blaine Gabbert at #10.....Christian Ponder at #12
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.....cant stop laughing long enough to list the rest....but it goes on and on and on.....
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History over the last 20 drafts shows that every other year(50%) the first round is bust city for QB's.....every other year......
here is a link to the QB draft history......
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position
Now.....look up the 1st round QB's in 2014 - 2013 - 2010 - 2007 - 2006 - 2002 - 2001 - 2000 - 1997 - 1996....
All those busts....why?.....because teams over draft QB ...year in and year out.....drafting a guy in the first, just "because" thats where you get them, is stupid when there is not one that demands it.....this year is gonna be one of those years.....
That is 10 years out of 20 where the first round did NOT produce a franchise QB.....
History over the last 20 drafts shows that every other year(50%) the first round is bust city for QB's.....every other year......
here is a link to the QB draft history......
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position
Now.....look up the 1st round QB's in 2014 - 2013 - 2010 - 2007 - 2006 - 2002 - 2001 - 2000 - 1997 - 1996....
All those busts....why?.....because teams over draft QB ...year in and year out.....drafting a guy in the first, just "because" thats where you get them, is stupid when there is not one that demands it.....this year is gonna be one of those years.....
That is 10 years out of 20 where the first round did NOT produce a franchise QB.....
And that's why you don't reach. I'd rather see the Browns trade up in 2018 or 2019 and give up the farm for "the guy" then reach when you've got real needs.
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That is 10 years out of 20 where the first round did NOT produce a franchise QB.....
Precisely! Well said.
And Ill take it one further....
In addition to the 10 out of the last 20 drafts that did NOT produce a 1st round franchise QB....lets look at a few years that did...
2012 produced Luck.....but someone else drafted RG iii at #2...
2011 is the most comical mess Ive ever seen....Jake Locker at #8....Blaine Gabbert at #10.....Christian Ponder at #12
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.....cant stop laughing long enough to list the rest....but it goes on and on and on.....
And Ill take it one further....
In addition to the 10 out of the last 20 drafts that did NOT produce a 1st round franchise QB....lets look at a few years that did...
2012 produced Luck.....but someone else drafted RG iii at #2...
2011 is the most comical mess Ive ever seen....Jake Locker at #8....Blaine Gabbert at #10.....Christian Ponder at #12
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.....cant stop laughing long enough to list the rest....but it goes on and on and on.....
I already listed a bunch of them but forgot Christy Ponder so thank you for that one.
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Well Maycock loved the game tape of Mitch (or should I say Mitchell). Sure he's not "ready" for the NFL. But to Mike he's not as good a prospect as prototypical size Kizer who was spraying the ball into the turf or over guy's heads at the combine.
You have to wonder (and I don't doubt) part of Trubisky's thinking on declaring was the very real possibility he could be drafted by the hometown Browns.
Maybe Trubisky is smarter than we thought. If he came back next year he would have to improve the W-L record on that team, but if he comes out early some damn fools who've been fools since 1999 would probably jump him up over everyone else cause they like to stay the Browns.
Maybe Trubisky is smarter than we thought. If he came back next year he would have to improve the W-L record on that team, but if he comes out early some damn fools who've been fools since 1999 would probably jump him up over everyone else cause they like to stay the Browns.
This... especially in light of the QB class as a whole... but with emphasis on his personal performance, not the team's record which at 8-5 is not exactly a feather in his cap.
If you are a flash in a pan in your first season, then you let it stand.
As far as flack over JM i still hold he was the most talented QB we had in 2015. if kessler were not on the team he would have been the most talented QB of 2016 had he been on the roster. Damn shame the kid couldent kick the bottle.
"Talented"... interesting word choice. Took me a while to figure out why your statement was bugging me, but I think I finally did.
From a talent standpoint, innate throwing and running ability, JFF was easily our most talented QB since our rebirth with one possible exception... RG3.
Skilled? Ah... different question in my mind. A word that brings the practical, effective application of innate talent to bear. I'd submit that's where Kess gets competitive.
The reasons that JFF and RG3 have failed to convert their talent to skill differ greatly, but in the end their failure to do so is what they have in common.
He goes to the Browns the hopes are going to be it's the second coming of that other hometown guy Bernie Kosar.
Interesting choice since Bernie came to the Browns as the last piece of the puzzle joining a top ten Defense (scoring and yards).
... how many opportunities will the Browns have to draft a franchise QB?
Unless we start trading away 1st round picks, the answer is at least one per year.
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Maybe Trubisky is smarter than we thought. If he came back next year he would have to improve the W-L record on that team, but if he comes out early some damn fools who've been fools since 1999 would probably jump him up over everyone else cause they like to stay the Browns.
This... especially in light of the QB class as a whole... but with emphasis on his personal performance, not the team's record which at 8-5 is not exactly a feather in his cap.
If you are a flash in a pan in your first season, then you let it stand.
As far as flack over JM i still hold he was the most talented QB we had in 2015. if kessler were not on the team he would have been the most talented QB of 2016 had he been on the roster. Damn shame the kid couldent kick the bottle.
"Talented"... interesting word choice. Took me a while to figure out why your statement was bugging me, but I think I finally did.
From a talent standpoint, innate throwing and running ability, JFF was easily our most talented QB since our rebirth with one possible exception... RG3.
Skilled? Ah... different question in my mind. A word that brings the practical, effective application of innate talent to bear. I'd submit that's where Kess gets competitive.
The reasons that JFF and RG3 have failed to convert their talent to skill differ greatly, but in the end their failure to do so is what they have in common.
He goes to the Browns the hopes are going to be it's the second coming of that other hometown guy Bernie Kosar.
Interesting choice since Bernie came to the Browns as the last piece of the puzzle joining a top ten Defense (scoring and yards).
... how many opportunities will the Browns have to draft a franchise QB?
Unless we start trading away 1st round picks, the answer is at least one per year.
Judging from the quality of 1st rounders selected, the Browns might as well trade the the first pick.Unless we start trading away 1st round picks, the answer is at least one per year.
At least we're sure to get 2 guys with marginal NFL talent.
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Judging from the quality of 1st rounders selected, the Browns might as well trade the the first pick.
At least we're sure to get 2 guys with marginal NFL talent.
Maybe BB remembering some of his forgettable first rounds in Cleveland like Craig Powell or Touchdown-Free Tommy Vardell eventually got him thinking "why don't I just start trading back for more picks?" That's worked out pretty damn good for NE. TN's new front office guy (Jon Robinson) who came over from the NE Patriots last off season - did the same thing for TN by trading back and adding volume. They had 3 picks in round 2 ending with Derrick Henry. Ozzie said he learned a lot about the draft from BB in Cleveland.
Teams that let the draft fall to them or trade back do better than the ones that get knee jerky for trade-ups. The year we traded up for KWII we could have stayed put for Ben Roethlisberger. Another year we stayed put and went with what Savage called the safe route with Braylon Edwards at #3 overall we could have added picks while trading back as far as into the 20s to select Aaron Rodgers at QB.
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The definition of "franchise QB" is subjective, so here's the guys I consider franchise.
Franchise QB's NOT taken in the first round (pretty short list):
Brady 6th round
Brees 2nd round
Wilson 3rd round
Franchise QB's that were first rounders:
Luck
Newton
Ryan
Flacco
Rodgers
Manning
Rivers
Roethlesberger
I don't consider guys like Smith, Cutler, Palmer, Bradford, or Stafford (all first round picks) as "franchise" due to lack of post season success.
I also don't consider guys like Mariota, Winston (both first rounders) Prescott, or Carr as franchise due to not enough data. However, I would say Prescott and Carr look very good during their short tenure in the league.
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The definition of "franchise QB" is subjective, so here's the guys I consider franchise.
Franchise QB's NOT taken in the first round (pretty short list):
Brady 6th round
Brees 2nd round
Wilson 3rd round
Franchise QB's that were first rounders:
Luck
Newton
Ryan
Flacco
Rodgers
Manning
Rivers
Roethlesberger
I don't consider guys like Smith, Cutler, Palmer, Bradford, or Stafford (all first round picks) as "franchise" due to lack of post season success.
I also don't consider guys like Mariota, Winston (both first rounders) Prescott, or Carr as franchise due to not enough data. However, I would say Prescott and Carr look very good during their short tenure in the league.
Luck ---- #1 overall
Newton- #1
Ryan---- #3
Flacco-- #18
Rodgers-#24
Manning-#1
Rivers----# 4
Roethlesberger- #11
So your list had three, untouchable, #1 overall picks. Every other pick, five in total, was within reasonable reach of a "6-win" team... although for some we'd have to reach/trade down.
And for the record your "not-franchise" list, Smith, Cutler, Palmer, Bradford, or Stafford, included four, overall #1's and an 11.
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While we want to see some accuracy and arm strength out there today - let's try to keep it all in perspective. That is there is no pass rush changing time to throw, releases and mechanics as ALL QBs coming to our T-shirt tradition have painfully experienced. There's also no DCs confusing the crap out of young WRs and QB tandems trying to be on the same page in adjustment to either a zone blitz or a brilliant disguise of one. There will be NO corners today to press a WR or challenge the QB to fit a tight window.
In essence, the combines as well as the scripted workouts (that often hide weaknesses) have often created a lot of false positives and fast risers over the years. In fact, the Combines took a guy like Tom Brady and buried him all the way down the pecking order to late round 6 not too long after a very impressive Bowl Game performance where erased a big deficit to win. Even Bill Walsh got confused and took a QB Gino Carmozzi from Hofstra instead of Brady so even Paul Brown's best pupil got confused by workouts. After not suiting up for about 90% of NE's games as a rookie - BB told Brady he needed to get stronger in the weight room if he wanted to make it in this league. Just 1 year later, he won his 1st of 5 Superbowl Championships. On the other hand, the combines made Jay Cutler a very overpaid QB that wins even less frequently than he did for a Bowl-less Vandy team.
While we want to see some accuracy and arm strength out there today - let's try to keep it all in perspective. That is there is no pass rush changing time to throw, releases and mechanics as ALL QBs coming to our T-shirt tradition have painfully experienced. There's also no DCs confusing the crap out of young WRs and QB tandems trying to be on the same page in adjustment to either a zone blitz or a brilliant disguise of one. There will be NO corners today to press a WR or challenge the QB to fit a tight window.
In essence, the combines as well as the scripted workouts (that often hide weaknesses) have often created a lot of false positives and fast risers over the years. In fact, the Combines took a guy like Tom Brady and buried him all the way down the pecking order to late round 6 not too long after a very impressive Bowl Game performance where erased a big deficit to win. Even Bill Walsh got confused and took a QB Gino Carmozzi from Hofstra instead of Brady so even Paul Brown's best pupil got confused by workouts. After not suiting up for about 90% of NE's games as a rookie - BB told Brady he needed to get stronger in the weight room if he wanted to make it in this league. Just 1 year later, he won his 1st of 5 Superbowl Championships. On the other hand, the combines made Jay Cutler a very overpaid QB that wins even less frequently than he did for a Bowl-less Vandy team.
I think it is a Captain Obvious statement that you don't pick a QB based on combine workouts.
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We don't give up on the Browns that easily. And everyone here knows I still follow Von with Denver while watching the Browns every Sunday. Zombo gets on me for it all the time, but I've been here through a lot of flack over JM, so ain't agoin' nowheres any time soon.
Your problem is not liking people to disagree with your opinion.
Not disagreeing with your opinion. You've seen way more of Garrett than I have. One of the last JM survivors. If we draft Garrett I won't be disappointed (well, OK maybe a little). Yup, I've seen enough of Myles to believe he's the real deal. Potential Lawrence Taylor type.
Here's the funny thing Ag. The shoe is sort of on the other foot now. I was deadly cold blooded evaluating Manziel. Don't think you were on the Board pre draft, but I was the leader in the clubhouse in anti-Manziel rants. I could have puked when we drafted him. Every one of my fears about the guy came true, in spades. So now you're the one that's being objective about Mitch, and me and Gip are seeing things through the eyes of a Cleveland fan. Yeah- it's been 13 games, but I've seen everything I want to see out of a potential franchise qb. Accuracy, quick release, decent arm, good mobility, good pocket presence.
He goes to the Browns the hopes are going to be it's the second coming of that other hometown guy Bernie Kosar. (Yeah mom is worried about the pressure he'll be under) We love our local guys to make good. I can tell you this- if Trubisky wins a SB for the Browns, they'd take down the 80' poster of LeBron and put Mitch up there instead. He wins a couple, and they'll put his statue outside the stadium right next to Jim Brown's in 20 years.
Not disagreeing with your opinion. You've seen way more of Garrett than I have. One of the last JM survivors. If we draft Garrett I won't be disappointed (well, OK maybe a little). Yup, I've seen enough of Myles to believe he's the real deal. Potential Lawrence Taylor type.
Here's the funny thing Ag. The shoe is sort of on the other foot now. I was deadly cold blooded evaluating Manziel. Don't think you were on the Board pre draft, but I was the leader in the clubhouse in anti-Manziel rants. I could have puked when we drafted him. Every one of my fears about the guy came true, in spades. So now you're the one that's being objective about Mitch, and me and Gip are seeing things through the eyes of a Cleveland fan. Yeah- it's been 13 games, but I've seen everything I want to see out of a potential franchise qb. Accuracy, quick release, decent arm, good mobility, good pocket presence.
He goes to the Browns the hopes are going to be it's the second coming of that other hometown guy Bernie Kosar. (Yeah mom is worried about the pressure he'll be under) We love our local guys to make good. I can tell you this- if Trubisky wins a SB for the Browns, they'd take down the 80' poster of LeBron and put Mitch up there instead. He wins a couple, and they'll put his statue outside the stadium right next to Jim Brown's in 20 years.
The problem I have with Garrett is that of his like 32 career sacks, over half of them came against the like of cupcakes like Lamar, Rice, Northernwesternsoutherneastern Louisiana, McNeese State etc. When it came to playing Alabama....he was a ghost.
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That is 10 years out of 20 where the first round did NOT produce a franchise QB.....
Precisely! Well said.
And Ill take it one further....
In addition to the 10 out of the last 20 drafts that did NOT produce a 1st round franchise QB....lets look at a few years that did...
2012 produced Luck.....but someone else drafted RG iii at #2...
2011 is the most comical mess Ive ever seen....Jake Locker at #8....Blaine Gabbert at #10.....Christian Ponder at #12
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.....cant stop laughing long enough to list the rest....but it goes on and on and on.....
And Ill take it one further....
In addition to the 10 out of the last 20 drafts that did NOT produce a 1st round franchise QB....lets look at a few years that did...
2012 produced Luck.....but someone else drafted RG iii at #2...
2011 is the most comical mess Ive ever seen....Jake Locker at #8....Blaine Gabbert at #10.....Christian Ponder at #12
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.....cant stop laughing long enough to list the rest....but it goes on and on and on.....
On the other hand of course you can get a year like 2004 where you may have 3 HOF QBs come out of that class.
You just never know with QBs.
And I am of the opinion that if you don't take a risk...you will get no reward.
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Luck ---- #1 overall
Newton- #1
Ryan---- #3
Flacco-- #18
Rodgers-#24
Manning-#1
Rivers----# 4
Roethlesberger- #11
So your list had three, untouchable, #1 overall picks. Every other pick, five in total, was within reasonable reach of a "6-win" team... although for some we'd have to reach/trade down.
And for the record your "not-franchise" list, Smith, Cutler, Palmer, Bradford, or Stafford, included four, overall #1's and an 11.
So your list had three, untouchable, #1 overall picks. Every other pick, five in total, was within reasonable reach of a "6-win" team... although for some we'd have to reach/trade down.
And for the record your "not-franchise" list, Smith, Cutler, Palmer, Bradford, or Stafford, included four, overall #1's and an 11.
Taking a QB anywhere anytime is a risk. Probably far more risky taking one later than earlier. Of course, the same can be said of any position...not just QBs. As Bad as the Browns track record has been at taking QBs...it is hardly any better taking players at any other position.
Are Quinn/Weeden/JMZ any bigger busts for the Browns than Gilbert, Mingo, Erving etc.? Difficult to quantify. It is just the importance of the QB position that makes it seem the QB picks have been more of a disaster.
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While we want to see some accuracy and arm strength out there today - let's try to keep it all in perspective. That is there is no pass rush changing time to throw, releases and mechanics as ALL QBs coming to our T-shirt tradition have painfully experienced. There's also no DCs confusing the crap out of young WRs and QB tandems trying to be on the same page in adjustment to either a zone blitz or a brilliant disguise of one. There will be NO corners today to press a WR or challenge the QB to fit a tight window.
In essence, the combines as well as the scripted workouts (that often hide weaknesses) have often created a lot of false positives and fast risers over the years. In fact, the Combines took a guy like Tom Brady and buried him all the way down the pecking order to late round 6 not too long after a very impressive Bowl Game performance where erased a big deficit to win. Even Bill Walsh got confused and took a QB Gino Carmozzi from Hofstra instead of Brady so even Paul Brown's best pupil got confused by workouts. After not suiting up for about 90% of NE's games as a rookie - BB told Brady he needed to get stronger in the weight room if he wanted to make it in this league. Just 1 year later, he won his 1st of 5 Superbowl Championships. On the other hand, the combines made Jay Cutler a very overpaid QB that wins even less frequently than he did for a Bowl-less Vandy team.
I think it is a Captain Obvious statement that you don't pick a QB based on combine workouts.
I think it is a Captain Obvious statement that you don't pick a QB based on combine workouts.
Or, we could just remember the title of this thread I selected. I was just saying I didn't see the weak arm from Watson I read so much about from 1 guy in Camp Trubisky.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Not disagreeing with your opinion. You've seen way more of Garrett than I have. One of the last JM survivors. If we draft Garrett I won't be disappointed (well, OK maybe a little). Yup, I've seen enough of Myles to believe he's the real deal. Potential Lawrence Taylor type.
Here's the funny thing Ag. The shoe is sort of on the other foot now. I was deadly cold blooded evaluating Manziel. Don't think you were on the Board pre draft, but I was the leader in the clubhouse in anti-Manziel rants. I could have puked when we drafted him. Every one of my fears about the guy came true, in spades. So now you're the one that's being objective about Mitch, and me and Gip are seeing things through the eyes of a Cleveland fan. Yeah- it's been 13 games, but I've seen everything I want to see out of a potential franchise qb. Accuracy, quick release, decent arm, good mobility, good pocket presence.
He goes to the Browns the hopes are going to be it's the second coming of that other hometown guy Bernie Kosar. (Yeah mom is worried about the pressure he'll be under) We love our local guys to make good. I can tell you this- if Trubisky wins a SB for the Browns, they'd take down the 80' poster of LeBron and put Mitch up there instead. He wins a couple, and they'll put his statue outside the stadium right next to Jim Brown's in 20 years.
The problem I have with Garrett is that of his like 32 career sacks, over half of them came against the like of cupcakes like Lamar, Rice, Northernwesternsoutherneastern Louisiana, McNeese State etc. When it came to playing Alabama....he was a ghost.
The problem I have with Garrett is that of his like 32 career sacks, over half of them came against the like of cupcakes like Lamar, Rice, Northernwesternsoutherneastern Louisiana, McNeese State etc. When it came to playing Alabama....he was a ghost.
Give some credit to the SEC teams whose offensive game plans were set up to either stay away from him or double/triple team him. The injury from Ark. on made it easier to do this year. Add to that some of the worst LBs in the SEC backing him up. See any of them on anyone's radar? Nope.
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I watched these two youtubes this morning - for what it's worth... Voch Lombardi seems to know a lot....
That's on Watson, and Trubisky. One the the glaring things on Watson, is that he reads only half the field, as
Voch mentions....Trubisky certainly looks like he can be a terrific pocket passer... but I would want to
give up our 33 for Garappollo. That would give the stupid pats two picks in a row at the bottom of the round.
But give up our 12??? No way in hell.
I don't know. I don't see the Browns passing on Garrett - he's elite good. Maybe the Browns say "we can rush the passer
here, but we can't stop the pass".... and trade down with Chicago or something.
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