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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @texasag1969 said:

    And I personally like Solomon better than Barnett.

    Gip's problem is he needs an edge alternative at #12 and even he knows Solomon won't be there. So he's taken Barnett out for a spin...

    @tour2ma said:

    Gip's problem is he needs an edge alternative at #12 and even he knows Solomon won't be there. So he's taken Barnett out for a spin...

    But if you go back a long way....back to when the college season was still going on....I was looking at Barnett favorably....not even being aware at the time that Garrett may have been considered the top prospect at that position. At that point in time I felt that Barnett could easily have been pegged as the best prospect there. Thomas, no, I didn't really have him on my radar. The other guy on my radar as an edge rusher was Tim Williams. At the time I thought any of the three....Williams, Barnett, Garrett could have been the better edge rush prospect.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    Garrett at #1 and Barnett at #12? That wouldn't suck I don't think. Barnett broke Reggie Whites sack record at Tennessee so that can't be a bad thing.

    @mark-o said:

    Garrett at #1 and Barnett at #12? That wouldn't suck I don't think. Barnett broke Reggie Whites sack record at Tennessee so that can't be a bad thing.

    I was thinking QB....our top priority at #1. And sure, while it may be foolish to compare Barnett to White...well, we can dream.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mark-o said:

    Garrett at #1 and Barnett at #12? That wouldn't suck I don't think. Barnett broke Reggie Whites sack record at Tennessee so that can't be a bad thing.

    I was thinking QB....our top priority at #1. And sure, while it may be foolish to compare Barnett to White...well, we can dream.

    @the-gipper said:

    I was thinking QB....our top priority at #1. And sure, while it may be foolish to compare Barnett to White...well, we can dream.

    I know you were....I was just fucking with you....

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • Mark OM Mark O

    Our defense gave up 3,000,000,000 points last season. Garrett and Barnett would be better than anything we currently have on defense.

    @mark-o said:

    Our defense gave up 3,000,000,000 points last season. Garrett and Barnett would be better than anything we currently have on defense.

    Well, the issue there is the investment the Browns would have made in the same position over the last two years. A DE at both 1 and 12....in addition to taking a DE last year at both #32 and #65? Don't know that analytics would call for that much investment in one spot.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @the-gipper said:

    I was thinking QB....our top priority at #1. And sure, while it may be foolish to compare Barnett to White...well, we can dream.

    I know you were....I was just fucking with you....

    @mark-o said:

    I know you were....I was just fucking with you....

  • Garett was in the 270's when he ran his 40. He could prob hit 280'ish in a year or so in the nfl without losing speed.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • We have other needs that must be addressed instead of taking a 2nd DE. Doing so almost ensures og and/or nas are gone. I saw too many good things out of them last year that if they build on it and improve this year, garett will have stiff competition for playing time

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • C Clevfan4life

    Garett was in the 270's when he ran his 40. He could prob hit 280'ish in a year or so in the nfl without losing speed.

    @clevfan4life said:

    Garett was in the 270's when he ran his 40. He could prob hit 280'ish in a year or so in the nfl without losing speed.

    Until yesterday potentially comparing Garrett to JJ Watt never occurred to me. And while it is still premature to do so, I can't say that anymore...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
    C 1 Reply

  • Call me crazy if you wish,but if OJ Howard is there at #12, take him.

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  • C Clevfan4life

    We have other needs that must be addressed instead of taking a 2nd DE. Doing so almost ensures og and/or nas are gone. I saw too many good things out of them last year that if they build on it and improve this year, garett will have stiff competition for playing time

    @clevfan4life said:

    We have other needs that must be addressed instead of taking a 2nd DE. Doing so almost ensures og and/or nas are gone. I saw too many good things out of them last year that if they build on it and improve this year, garett will have stiff competition for playing time

    I....am not talking about taking a 2d DE. Just perhaps the one.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @clevfan4life said:

    Garett was in the 270's when he ran his 40. He could prob hit 280'ish in a year or so in the nfl without losing speed.

    Until yesterday potentially comparing Garrett to JJ Watt never occurred to me. And while it is still premature to do so, I can't say that anymore...

    @tour2ma said:

    Until yesterday potentially comparing Garrett to JJ Watt never occurred to me. And while it is still premature to do so, I can't say that anymore...

    Why would u? Two diff players

  • C Clevfan4life

    @tour2ma said:

    Until yesterday potentially comparing Garrett to JJ Watt never occurred to me. And while it is still premature to do so, I can't say that anymore...

    Why would u? Two diff players

    @clevfan4life said:

    Why would u? Two diff players

    Yes, they are... now...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @clevfan4life said:

    Why would u? Two diff players

    Yes, they are... now...

    @tour2ma said:

    Yes, they are... now...

    Even in college though. Watt was always a DT/DE

  • Taking two defensive ends is dumb.

    But this is just Gip trying to hold out hope that we take his boy Trubisky at #1....which isn't going to happen.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
    The GipperT Mark OM 2 Replies
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    Taking two defensive ends is dumb.

    But this is just Gip trying to hold out hope that we take his boy Trubisky at #1....which isn't going to happen.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Taking two defensive ends is dumb.

    But this is just Gip trying to hold out hope that we take his boy Trubisky at #1....which isn't going to happen.

    When did God bestow prescience upon you. You know nothing Jon Snow.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @wargograw said:

    You could argue he's just as good a player as Garrett at the moment. But he is nowhere near as good a prospect. A prospect is about a guy's ceiling. Myles' is MUCH higher than Barnett's.

    They didn't really have the same competition. The SEC East hasn't had near the talent of the West. In the last three years alone you've had Cam Robinson, Greg Robinson, La'el Collins, Dan Skipper (who will get drafted this year), and Laremy Tunsil. That's three (maybe four if not for Collins' arrest) first rounders and these are just off the top of my head. I can't think of any first round OTs from the East.

    Are all you Gayrett fags going to come in with the same line?

    Barnett had more sacks....more tackles for loss.

    Gayrett had over half his sacks against the little sisters.

    So...apparently, those OL you mentioned....perhaps NFL caliber OL handled Garrett. Not a good recommendation for him.

    I don't know how Barnett's numbers crunched on his totals: cupcakes vs. non cupcakes.

    But I suspect it is not as bad as Garrett's.

    Besides....I am saying to take Barnett at 12, not at 1.

    And I am saying we MAY actually get as good or better of a prospect.

    While you think that Garrett may have a better upside....I for one am not so sure....and that is just a prediction, not a fact.

    For all we really know, Barnett could be the next Reggie White and Garrett the next Courtney Brown.

    @the-gipper said:

    Garrett the next Courtney Brown.

    Does it ever get old saying this? We get it.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @wargograw said:

    All that said, I wouldn't really be opposed to this. But I'm not sure Barnett is that much better than Ogbah, Orchard, and Nassib. DE is really not a huge need. The only reason we're going to take Garrett is because he is far and away BPA. Outside of that, we can use our first rounders elsewhere.

    And we don't really know if Garrett will turn out better than Ogbah, Orchard and Nassib.

    We won't know diddly for 3 years.

    @the-gipper said:

    And we don't really know if Garrett will turn out better than Ogbah, Orchard and Nassib.

    We won't know diddly for 3 years.

    So then why are you talking about it?

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @texasag1969 said:

    Gip-see my post on the SEC competition difference on the Beware the next Jeff George thread. I see war has made the same argument here as well. East does not equal West SEC. And I personally like Solomon better than Barnett.

    Yes, I see the circle jerk you two are doing....and I basically dismiss this "Oh the SEC west is so so much better than the SEC East).

    If the SEC West is better....it is because it has Alabama...and that is it. Otherwise, I see very little difference in the two divisions....at least in terms of this last season.

    I guess we could take this aspect of the discussion over to the College Board, but, stronger or not.....Garrett seemingly fared poorly against the so called stronger division.

    If you can come up with figures that shows that Barnett got as many of his sacks against the cupcakes on his schedule as Garrett did...then we may have a discussion.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yes, I see the circle jerk you two are doing....and I basically dismiss this "Oh the SEC west is so so much better than the SEC East).

    If the SEC West is better....it is because it has Alabama...and that is it. Otherwise, I see very little difference in the two divisions....at least in terms of this last season.

    I guess we could take this aspect of the discussion over to the College Board, but, stronger or not.....Garrett seemingly fared poorly against the so called stronger division.

    If you can come up with figures that shows that Barnett got as many of his sacks against the cupcakes on his schedule as Garrett did...then we may have a discussion.

    Or it's because of the 3 or 4 first round OTs the West has churned out in recent years compared to the East's 0....

    Only one of those came from Alabama. But keep talking out your arse.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    Taking two defensive ends is dumb.

    But this is just Gip trying to hold out hope that we take his boy Trubisky at #1....which isn't going to happen.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Taking two defensive ends is dumb.

    But this is just Gip trying to hold out hope that we take his boy Trubisky at #1....which isn't going to happen.

    No it certainly isn't. One of the latest mocks from an NFL network guy had only 2 QB's in the first round and none till like pick 18 or 19.

  • If stats are all that matter, why even take Barnett? I believe all three of Ogbah, Nassib, and Orchard had more sacks than Barnett (and Garrett) in their final college seasons.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
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