Browns trade for BROCK OSWEILER
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Yeah, I tend to agree. The general feeling I'm having right now is that we're working on something big. Very big. Whether it's a huge offer to New England for JG, an offer for Kirk Cousins, or even some type of offer for A.J. McCarron....I think we're working on SOME type of massive QB deal. I can't honestly see us going into the season with Cody Kessler and a drafted rookie. I just can't. The ONLY way I see that working is if we're content to "wait another year" and just see how many games we can win with Cody, Brock, and the rookie. I could see us using the #1 pick on Garrett, and then trading DOWN from #12 in order to acquire yet more picks for 2018. Basically stacking the deck in 2018 to get whoever the hell we want. It would be a very tough pill to swallow, as 2016 almost killed so many Browns fans, but if a QB isn't there...he's not there. And maybe if we draft a rookie this year he can learn in 2017 and develop into the guy we want. I really don't know. It's kind of crazy right now.
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Everything I'm reading says we're not getting JG from Pats. Is that true? Obviously we have no idea, but it'd be nice if there was SOMETHING cooking regarding our acquisition of this guy. As it stands now, we have released RG III, we traded for Brock who we're looking to dump, and Josh McCown is gone as well. So right now we have Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan on the roster. Not exactly the shining example of QB prosperity. So if it's NOT JG, then are we rolling into 2017 with Kessler starting while a rookie we draft learns? I guess it's possible the new rookie beats Cody out, but I wouldn't count on it. Again, not exactly making me excited. So I guess my point is....who the hell is going to start for us? lol
Edit: So if we're accumulating draft picks, and we're not getting JG, then could there be another QB we want to trade for? Everyone wants to link Kirk Cousins to San Fran, but what about him coming to us? We ship a bunch of picks to Washington and I'm sure they'd think about it, right? What really hurts is Benjamin Alabrecht recently reported that Kyle Shanahan fought hard for the Browns to trade for Cousins while he was with us. The price? A fourth round pick, and we wouldn't do it. Ouch.
Everything I'm reading says we're not getting JG from Pats. Is that true? Obviously we have no idea, but it'd be nice if there was SOMETHING cooking regarding our acquisition of this guy. As it stands now, we have released RG III, we traded for Brock who we're looking to dump, and Josh McCown is gone as well. So right now we have Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan on the roster. Not exactly the shining example of QB prosperity. So if it's NOT JG, then are we rolling into 2017 with Kessler starting while a rookie we draft learns? I guess it's possible the new rookie beats Cody out, but I wouldn't count on it. Again, not exactly making me excited. So I guess my point is....who the hell is going to start for us? lol
The answer to your question is yes, we can certainly roll with Kessler this year, or you notice the Browns invested heavily in building a bulletproof cockpit for whoever starts? Draft the QBOTF and let him sit- like the Rams did with Goff. Anyone who thinks you draft a qb in round one, and he has to start day one hasn't been paying attention. Wentz wouldn't have started either except for injuries.
To an extent I can see why some of the posters here have fallen into the Jimmy love affair trap, though reason (on past performance of departed New England backups) (limited resume- Scott Mitchell anyone?) and logic (if Garropolo is a true franchise qb, why is Bill shopping him when Brady turns 40 this year) should give anyone pause to think about it. As far as something cooking,did anyone see the Osweiler trade coming before it happened? When I first heard about it, I thought it was an April Fools joke a few weeks early.
Or see my above post- short of the Browns having an unexpected great season- they have enough draft capital in 2018 to draft darn near any qb they have a fancy for.
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Guy on reddit predicted it weeks ago...Only missed the pick. Thought it'd be a 3rd, got a 2nd
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I assumed we would, but technically we wouldn't HAVE to.
If we can convert, say, $10m - that leaves him with $6m guaranteed remaining and likely makes him a very interesting trade piece.
ESPN went in detail about this- As you mention TC- all the Browns have to do to potentially get rid of him is convert $10 million of the $16 million he's owed into a bonus. That brings his 2017 salary to $6 million, in line with other top backup qbs. So if we can unload him to another team for say a 4th round pick- it cost the Browns $10 million to "buy" a (likely low) second round pick and a 4th rounder. Thanks for stopping by for a cup of coffee Brock.
I am soooo tired of hearing about Garoppolo..... I hope the FO has had something else in mind the entire time, and just lets the media foam at their mouths speculating that the Browns are going to give the Pats a kings ransom for the next Ryan Mallett.
Looks like we've added another Jimmy Fan Boy to the club..... Just because the media says that's what the Browns should do doesn't mean that's what Sashi and DePo are thinking. For all we know at the present, the Browns may not be all that enamored with Garropolo or any of the 2017 qbs in the draft. Unless the Browns somehow go 9-7 this year, a first and three seconds in 2018 should be plenty of ammunition to move up to #1 overall if they think Darnold is Da Bomb. Plus, if the Browns are 9-7 this year, they won't be drafting a qb high anyway.
Imagine the totally opposite scenario: They keep RG....(they only have to give him a 750K bonus to do so). They keep Osweiler.....he is on the roster after all...and they are paying big bucks for him. And they keep Kessler.
Then you have a 3 way fight for the starter job.
And/or...you could still draft a QB at #12...and put him in the mix.
The more the merrier...and you hope that actually one of them will actually turn out decent.
Actually Gip, the now gonzo Griffin's roster bonus was closer to $1 million- ($984,375 to be exact) and they don't have to pay his $6 million 2017 salary either. All the guaranteed money has already been paid. Most of us around here think Griffin was total stinko, and Osweilier can't be much worse. Taking that deduction into account- it works out we're paying Brock around $9 million more than we would have laid out for R Glass.
Looks like we've added another Jimmy Fan Boy to the club..... Just because the media says that's what the Browns should do doesn't mean that's what Sashi and DePo are thinking. For all we know at the present, the Browns may not be all that enamored with Garropolo or any of the 2017 qbs in the draft. Unless the Browns somehow go 9-7 this year, a first and three seconds in 2018 should be plenty of ammunition to move up to #1 overall if they think Darnold is Da Bomb. Plus, if the Browns are 9-7 this year, they won't be drafting a qb high anyway.
^ E X A C T L Y !!
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You know theres precedent for devaluing future picks, right? I'm sure a knowledgeable football guy like yourself has seen them.@boo-fagley said:
Says the wannabe NFL GM who thinks a 2018 1st round pick is only a 2nd round pick.
OTOH, 2013 (iirc) browns traded a 4th to the stools and received a third in 14 for the right to draft future HOFer shamarko Thomas, who was to terrorize the browns for the next eleventy years.
Simply put, a deferred asset has less worth now than in the future.
But...You knew that.
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You know theres precedent for devaluing future picks, right? I'm sure a knowledgeable football guy like yourself has seen them.@boo-fagley said:
Says the wannabe NFL GM who thinks a 2018 1st round pick is only a 2nd round pick.
OTOH, 2013 (iirc) browns traded a 4th to the stools and received a third in 14 for the right to draft future HOFer shamarko Thomas, who was to terrorize the browns for the next eleventy years.
Simply put, a deferred asset has less worth now than in the future.
But...You knew that.
But...You knew that.
Yeah, he did... just being an ass taking a rule of thumb to an extreme because he thinks he scored a point. Pfffft...
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Everything I'm reading says we're not getting JG from Pats. Is that true? Obviously we have no idea, but it'd be nice if there was SOMETHING cooking regarding our acquisition of this guy. As it stands now, we have released RG III, we traded for Brock who we're looking to dump, and Josh McCown is gone as well. So right now we have Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan on the roster. Not exactly the shining example of QB prosperity. So if it's NOT JG, then are we rolling into 2017 with Kessler starting while a rookie we draft learns? I guess it's possible the new rookie beats Cody out, but I wouldn't count on it. Again, not exactly making me excited. So I guess my point is....who the hell is going to start for us? lol
Edit: So if we're accumulating draft picks, and we're not getting JG, then could there be another QB we want to trade for? Everyone wants to link Kirk Cousins to San Fran, but what about him coming to us? We ship a bunch of picks to Washington and I'm sure they'd think about it, right? What really hurts is Benjamin Alabrecht recently reported that Kyle Shanahan fought hard for the Browns to trade for Cousins while he was with us. The price? A fourth round pick, and we wouldn't do it. Ouch.
? A fourth round pick, and we wouldn't do it. Ouch.
can you verify that? i remember when there was cousins talk but i don't remember no 4th round pick. Washington wanted alot more than just that if my mem serves me.
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Looks like we've added another Jimmy Fan Boy to the club..... Just because the media says that's what the Browns should do doesn't mean that's what Sashi and DePo are thinking. For all we know at the present, the Browns may not be all that enamored with Garropolo or any of the 2017 qbs in the draft. Unless the Browns somehow go 9-7 this year, a first and three seconds in 2018 should be plenty of ammunition to move up to #1 overall if they think Darnold is Da Bomb. Plus, if the Browns are 9-7 this year, they won't be drafting a qb high anyway.
^ E X A C T L Y !!
^ E X A C T L Y !!
Get Well soon!! For visual sake please have Z change your name temporary to Got Milk? Got Boned? how bout Da' Bone?
heal up. ghools is looking a Evil Knievel on roster Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Everything I'm reading says we're not getting JG from Pats. Is that true? Obviously we have no idea, but it'd be nice if there was SOMETHING cooking regarding our acquisition of this guy. As it stands now, we have released RG III, we traded for Brock who we're looking to dump, and Josh McCown is gone as well. So right now we have Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan on the roster. Not exactly the shining example of QB prosperity. So if it's NOT JG, then are we rolling into 2017 with Kessler starting while a rookie we draft learns? I guess it's possible the new rookie beats Cody out, but I wouldn't count on it. Again, not exactly making me excited. So I guess my point is....who the hell is going to start for us? lol
The answer to your question is yes, we can certainly roll with Kessler this year, or you notice the Browns invested heavily in building a bulletproof cockpit for whoever starts? Draft the QBOTF and let him sit- like the Rams did with Goff. Anyone who thinks you draft a qb in round one, and he has to start day one hasn't been paying attention. Wentz wouldn't have started either except for injuries.
To an extent I can see why some of the posters here have fallen into the Jimmy love affair trap, though reason (on past performance of departed New England backups) (limited resume- Scott Mitchell anyone?) and logic (if Garropolo is a true franchise qb, why is Bill shopping him when Brady turns 40 this year) should give anyone pause to think about it. As far as something cooking,did anyone see the Osweiler trade coming before it happened? When I first heard about it, I thought it was an April Fools joke a few weeks early.
Or see my above post- short of the Browns having an unexpected great season- they have enough draft capital in 2018 to draft darn near any qb they have a fancy for.
or you notice the Browns invested heavily in building a bulletproof cockpit for whoever starts?
Yeah im gonna have to have that one proven first before i call any pocket created by a browns o line "bulletproof". We've had good talent on the line before and gotten less than mediocre results.
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? A fourth round pick, and we wouldn't do it. Ouch.
can you verify that? i remember when there was cousins talk but i don't remember no 4th round pick. Washington wanted alot more than just that if my mem serves me.
No, it's not correct. We offered, they said no.can you verify that? i remember when there was cousins talk but i don't remember no 4th round pick. Washington wanted alot more than just that if my mem serves me.
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Get Well soon!! For visual sake please have Z change your name temporary to Got Milk? Got Boned? how bout Da' Bone?
heal up. ghools is looking a Evil Knievel on roster lol!! Thanks brother! I've had many broken bones in my 49yrs on 2 wheels, but these are my first ribs...... They suck.
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@boo-fagley said:
Short changing yourself arent you?
Osewieller straight up for Garropolo and Gordon for Gronk is fair.
Nah, I'm good on Gronk
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Get Well soon!! For visual sake please have Z change your name temporary to Got Milk? Got Boned? how bout Da' Bone?
heal up. ghools is looking a Evil Knievel on roster lol!! Thanks brother! I've had many broken bones in my 49yrs on 2 wheels, but these are my first ribs...... They suck.
lol!! Thanks brother! I've had many broken bones in my 49yrs on 2 wheels, but these are my first ribs...... They suck.
Just don't catch a sneezy cold D. Once broke a rib oversliding head first into second base. Sneezing sucks with a broken rib. Big time.
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or you notice the Browns invested heavily in building a bulletproof cockpit for whoever starts?
Yeah im gonna have to have that one proven first before i call any pocket created by a browns o line "bulletproof". We've had good talent on the line before and gotten less than mediocre results.
We've had good talent on the line before and gotten less than mediocre results.
We have?
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or you notice the Browns invested heavily in building a bulletproof cockpit for whoever starts?
Yeah im gonna have to have that one proven first before i call any pocket created by a browns o line "bulletproof". We've had good talent on the line before and gotten less than mediocre results.
Yeah im gonna have to have that one proven first before i call any pocket created by a browns o line "bulletproof". We've had good talent on the line before and gotten less than mediocre results.
We have?
Regarding the o-line, it's the old saw the chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Yeah Thomas, Bitonio, and Mack are individually pro bowl. Do you think an opposing defensive coordinator is going to bother attacking a strength? Nope, we're heading through unabated on the garbage right side.
Currently, the only question is going to be at right tackle. I should add Barnidge is a liability if he's called on to block.
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Just don't catch a sneezy cold D. Once broke a rib oversliding head first into second base. Sneezing sucks with a broken rib. Big time.
Sounds like you totally get it!
I have prevented two already..... I've never pushed my tongue against the roof of my mouth so hard. -
@boo-fagley said:
If this deal goes down and NE receives a 2018 1st round selection from Cleveland not a single NFL website with sanity will record the pick as a 2nd rounder.
NOBODY.
Why do you even continue?
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