Browns trade for BROCK OSWEILER
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@Spotrac tweeted that after 2017 we have no guaranteed money or dead cap associated with Brock
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Man I've been telling everyone since the purge that Sashi and this FO are smart guys who are setting this team up for big things and you all just bitched and moaned about analytics and how you wanted "football guys" and not Harvard guys. Well this is what Harvard guys brought you: Coaches Jackson and Williams, Zeitler, Tretter, Britt, Collins, and a shitload of draft picks.
NEWSFLASH! Being smart is GOOD! America used to celebrate that, not mock it. Here is intelligence in all its glory. Love it, embrace it, because it's going to end 18 seasons of sucking.
GREAT POST!!!
I have also defended Jimmy, Dee & this FO for their passion & determination to create a WINNER in Cleveland. I had said before that we, as Fans, had to accept sweeping (and possibly uncomfortable) change in order to change the losing culture which had taken hold.
Jimmy, Sashi, & this FO brought what the Browns have needed for years.....Intelligence, passion, change, & the willingness to learn from & grow from their own mistakes.
The roots of this plan are growing deeper & stronger....where are all the naysayers now?
Mike
The roots of this plan are growing deeper & stronger....where are all the naysayers now?
Jumping on the bandwagon...
well we can avoid being docked those picks or facing fines......if we keep Brock on our roster for the 2017 season
Can't use cap space to buy picks AND we totally just did that... even if we didn't technically do that. you can make the arguement that we violated the spirit of the bylaw.
The way i look at it. We have replaced RG3 with a better QB and gained a high draft pick in the process.
Too bad Brock's not PS eligible...
Once the deal is approved, HTF could we get fined, etc. for a league approved deal?
I think we most likely eat salary and trade him, but I sure can't see keeping him an entire season. At most look at him in OTA's... say he's not the player we thought he was... put him by the curb.
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it actually got approved in official capacity at around 8 something this morning.
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The people on this board who are routinely wrong about things tend to be in unanimous decision that this was a bad move....so now I feel even better about it.
The people on this board who are routinely wrong about things tend to be in unanimous decision that this was a bad move....so now I feel even better about it.
There's no way anyone with any objectivity can look at this as a bad deal. It's not any of our money, who cares how they spend it. We have plenty of cap space, acquired a 2nd round pick for a guy who we probably will just release anyways. He's not going to be the QB of the Browns anyways so who cares about Oswelter....he sucks and we will still either draft or trade for the future QB.
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browns still have 49.5m in cap space remaining
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His contract has offset language, so if we cut him and another team signs him, we are only on the hook for a portion of that $16 million. If we trade him, we are on the hook for none of it.
We'll eat a serious chunk of the $16mm to trade him. Simple conversion of salary to bonus...
@boo-fagley said:
Patriots
... and the "Patriots" offense is?
We'll eat a serious chunk of the $16mm to trade him. Simple conversion of salary to bonus...
... and the "Patriots" offense is?
I assumed we would, but technically we wouldn't HAVE to.
If we can convert, say, $10m - that leaves him with $6m guaranteed remaining and likely makes him a very interesting trade piece.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Browns actually doing something smart!
Good for them! They get a cookie!
Now let's get Garoppolo and the rest will fall into place..
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Man I've been telling everyone since the purge that Sashi and this FO are smart guys who are setting this team up for big things and you all just bitched and moaned about analytics and how you wanted "football guys" and not Harvard guys. Well this is what Harvard guys brought you: Coaches Jackson and Williams, Zeitler, Tretter, Britt, Collins, and a shitload of draft picks.
NEWSFLASH! Being smart is GOOD! America used to celebrate that, not mock it. Here is intelligence in all its glory. Love it, embrace it, because it's going to end 18 seasons of sucking.
Man I've been telling everyone since the purge that Sashi and this FO are smart guys who are setting this team up for big things and you all just bitched and moaned about analytics and how you wanted "football guys" and not Harvard guys. Well this is what Harvard guys brought you: Coaches Jackson and Williams, Zeitler, Tretter, Britt, Collins, and a shitload of draft picks.
NEWSFLASH! Being smart is GOOD! America used to celebrate that, not mock it. Here is intelligence in all its glory. Love it, embrace it, because it's going to end 18 seasons of sucking.
Has there been any movement on Donta Hightower? Is it inconceivable that the Browns could sign him?
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We are not getting Garoppolo.
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Ian Rapoport tweeted. . .
My understand of #Browns QB situation: They’ll release RGIII. Shop Brock Osweiler and see what comes of it. Likely draft a QB as well.
Ian Rapoport tweeted. . .
My understand of #Browns QB situation: They’ll release RGIII. Shop Brock Osweiler and see what comes of it. Likely draft a QB as well.
Imagine the totally opposite scenario: They keep RG....(they only have to give him a 750K bonus to do so). They keep Osweiler.....he is on the roster after all...and they are paying big bucks for him. And they keep Kessler.
Then you have a 3 way fight for the starter job.
And/or...you could still draft a QB at #12...and put him in the mix.
The more the merrier...and you hope that actually one of them will actually turn out decent.
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browns still have 49.5m in cap space remaining
browns still have 49.5m in cap space remaining
I heard that it was still like 70 million.
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Seems like quarterback competitions lead to chaos more often than not.
I repeat it's hard for me to believe that Bill would shitcan somebody who he believes is The Heir Apparent to the best quarterback in the league.
WSS
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Seems like quarterback competitions lead to chaos more often than not.
I repeat it's hard for me to believe that Bill would shitcan somebody who he believes is The Heir Apparent to the best quarterback in the league.
WSS
Seems like quarterback competitions lead to chaos more often than not.
I repeat it's hard for me to believe that Bill would shitcan somebody who he believes is The Heir Apparent to the best quarterback in the league.
WSS
Well....if he does trade him...then it would be apparent that BB would not have that belief about him.
Fair to say?
Its like the old Groucho Marx line: I wouldn't belong to a club that would have me as a member.
Well...in this case, if BB is willing to shitcan/trade him....they why should we believe in his capabilities if BB doesn't believe in them?
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RG3 being released as well. So saving 8 mil there.
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The people on this board who are routinely wrong about things tend to be in unanimous decision that this was a bad move....so now I feel even better about it.
There's no way anyone with any objectivity can look at this as a bad deal. It's not any of our money, who cares how they spend it. We have plenty of cap space, acquired a 2nd round pick for a guy who we probably will just release anyways. He's not going to be the QB of the Browns anyways so who cares about Oswelter....he sucks and we will still either draft or trade for the future QB.
There's no way anyone with any objectivity can look at this as a bad deal.
There was one... Bill Polian... although his objectivity can be questioned.
On NFL Live yesterday he went on and on about any trade offer the Browns might in turn get for Brock starting at Brock plus the HOU 2018 2nd... completely ignoring the facts that we can eat salary and there might actually teams who want Brock at the right price.
No one else on the panel challenged him, but no one jumped to support him either... it was kinda funny in a Sr. moment way.
I assumed we would, but technically we wouldn't HAVE to.
If we can convert, say, $10m - that leaves him with $6m guaranteed remaining and likely makes him a very interesting trade piece.
Bingo... for a few million there are probably teams who think they can fix Brock and will take a shot.
At $16mm? Either no one could absorb or was willing to absorb his contract, and HOU could not eat enough of the contract to make it palatable.
@boo-fagley said:
Houstons too.
About the level of expertise I expected... maybe slightly lower...
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There's no way anyone with any objectivity can look at this as a bad deal.
There was one... Bill Polian... although his objectivity can be questioned.
On NFL Live yesterday he went on and on about any trade offer the Browns might in turn get for Brock starting at Brock plus the HOU 2018 2nd... completely ignoring the facts that we can eat salary and there might actually teams who want Brock at the right price.
No one else on the panel challenged him, but no one jumped to support him either... it was kinda funny in a Sr. moment way.
I assumed we would, but technically we wouldn't HAVE to.
If we can convert, say, $10m - that leaves him with $6m guaranteed remaining and likely makes him a very interesting trade piece.
Bingo... for a few million there are probably teams who think they can fix Brock and will take a shot.
At $16mm? Either no one could absorb or was willing to absorb his contract, and HOU could not eat enough of the contract to make it palatable.
@boo-fagley said:
Houstons too.
About the level of expertise I expected... maybe slightly lower...
There was one... Bill Polian... although his objectivity can be questioned.
On NFL Live yesterday he went on and on about any trade offer the Browns might in turn get for Brock starting at Brock plus the HOU 2018 2nd... completely ignoring the facts that we can eat salary and there might actually teams who want Brock at the right price.
No one else on the panel challenged him, but no one jumped to support him either... it was kinda funny in a Sr. moment way.
Polian has seemed to be having quite a few Senior moments going on this year in his commentary.
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@boo-fagley said:
I am not the person asking about the NE/Houston offense.
That's true...
You would be the poser pretending he knows what Osweiler's issue is...
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So what the hell? Are we keeping this guy or what?
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