Mock Draft Central... The Pro's
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They'll need to move up then as he'll be gone by the time they're picking...potential trade down from 12?
What extra picks would that get us ?
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They'll need to move up then as he'll be gone by the time they're picking...potential trade down from 12?
I'm taking the call regardless, out of courtesy, but as long as one of my "impact guys" is there, then the person on the other end of the line will hear, "No thank you, we have a player we like here."
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PFF is (was) doing a live mock today on twitter (so D-bone couldn't see it...):
1.01 MG
1.12 Mahomes
2.01 Sidney Jones
2.20 Marcus Williams.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
PFF is (was) doing a live mock today on twitter (so D-bone couldn't see it...):
1.01 MG
1.12 Mahomes
2.01 Sidney Jones
2.20 Marcus Williams.
PFF is (was) doing a live mock today on twitter (so D-bone couldn't see it...):
1.01 MG
1.12 Mahomes
2.01 Sidney Jones
2.20 Marcus Williams.
Not sure I like the Mahomes pick (If he goes at 12...it means that 3 other QBs I think have gone off the board in front of him)
nor the Jones pick. Too great of injury concerns.
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Cris Collinsworth's Mock Draft-- Trade Up?
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Cris Collinsworth's Mock Draft-- Trade Up?
Cris Collinsworth's Mock Draft-- Trade Up?
I don't like that move for that player at 5.
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Cris Collinsworth's Mock Draft-- Trade Up?
Cris Collinsworth's Mock Draft-- Trade Up?
If Jamal Adams goes #17 & OJ Howard goes #22 I will wash your car for a month.
.Far to many head injuries Collinsworth, but please get Health Evans off my TV..Heath gets my all time asshat award yearly -
Cris Collinsworth's Mock Draft-- Trade Up?
I don't like that move for that player at 5.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699236-nfl1000-cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-draft-preview
Draft and current staff analysis ...
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Cris Collinsworth's Mock Draft-- Trade Up?
I don't like that move for that player at 5.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699236-nfl1000-cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-draft-preview
Draft and current staff analysis ...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699236-nfl1000-cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-draft-preview
Draft and current staff analysis ...
Fine here, but made for Gip's "Actual..." thread...
See you there...
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699236-nfl1000-cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-draft-preview
Draft and current staff analysis ...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699236-nfl1000-cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-draft-preview
Draft and current staff analysis ...
Interesting synopsis. Here is the bottom line that I took out of this article. It summarizes the Browns needs (draft or otherwise?) at various positions on a scale of 0-10. And here is what it says:
QB need 10 out of 10
RB need 4 out of 10
FB need 1 out of 10
WR need 4 out of 10
TE need 4 out of 10
LT need 0 out of 10
RT need 0 out of 10 (lot of confidence in Shon Coleman)
OG need 0 out of 10
OC need 0 out of 10
Defense:
DE 8 out of 10
DT 7 out of 10
OLB 9 out of 10
ILB 1 out of 10
CB 8 out of 10
FS 8 out of 10
SS 8 out of 10
K 6 out of 10
P 1 out of 10
So, in order our needs are:
1. QB
2. OLB
3. SS, CB, FS, DE
4. DT
5. Kicker
6. WR/RB/TE
7. ILB, P, FB
8. T, G, C
So, per this, except for primary need at QB, the Browns draft should be seriously defensive heavy, as beside QB the next 6 areas of need are all on defense.
I don't think the Browns will be drafting a K or P...or LS.
One area not covered are kick return positions. To me, that would rate right up there at about the 8 out of 10 level.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699236-nfl1000-cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-draft-preview
Draft and current staff analysis ...
Interesting synopsis. Here is the bottom line that I took out of this article. It summarizes the Browns needs (draft or otherwise?) at various positions on a scale of 0-10. And here is what it says:
QB need 10 out of 10
RB need 4 out of 10
FB need 1 out of 10
WR need 4 out of 10
TE need 4 out of 10
LT need 0 out of 10
RT need 0 out of 10 (lot of confidence in Shon Coleman)
OG need 0 out of 10
OC need 0 out of 10
Defense:
DE 8 out of 10
DT 7 out of 10
OLB 9 out of 10
ILB 1 out of 10
CB 8 out of 10
FS 8 out of 10
SS 8 out of 10
K 6 out of 10
P 1 out of 10
So, in order our needs are:
1. QB
2. OLB
3. SS, CB, FS, DE
4. DT
5. Kicker
6. WR/RB/TE
7. ILB, P, FB
8. T, G, C
So, per this, except for primary need at QB, the Browns draft should be seriously defensive heavy, as beside QB the next 6 areas of need are all on defense.
I don't think the Browns will be drafting a K or P...or LS.
One area not covered are kick return positions. To me, that would rate right up there at about the 8 out of 10 level.
Interesting synopsis. Here is the bottom line that I took out of this article. It summarizes the Browns needs (draft or otherwise?) at various positions on a scale of 0-10. And here is what it says:
QB need 10 out of 10
RB need 4 out of 10
FB need 1 out of 10
WR need 4 out of 10
TE need 4 out of 10
LT need 0 out of 10
RT need 0 out of 10 (lot of confidence in Shon Coleman)
OG need 0 out of 10
OC need 0 out of 10
Defense:
DE 8 out of 10
DT 7 out of 10
OLB 9 out of 10
ILB 1 out of 10
CB 8 out of 10
FS 8 out of 10
SS 8 out of 10
K 6 out of 10
P 1 out of 10
So, in order our needs are:
1. QB
2. OLB
3. SS, CB, FS, DE
4. DT
5. Kicker
6. WR/RB/TE
7. ILB, P, FB
8. T, G, C
So, per this, except for primary need at QB, the Browns draft should be seriously defensive heavy, as beside QB the next 5 areas of need are all on defense.
Fortunately this is a defense heavy draft and presents the opportunity to resolve quit a few problems on that side of the ball in a major way.
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I feel really sorry for Kessler. Performed admirably in his first season with a banged up O line and rookie receivers including Pryor. Its like he doesn't exist to the fans or the media.
What's clear is none of these QBs in the draft are immediate starters (I think Kizer could but he'd be very up and down) so get used to Kessler starting next year whatever happens next week.
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If 'needeval' > 'talenteval', then 'draft' = 'fail'...
Speculation on This Morning Football on NFL Network today was on the very issue of BPA vs draft for need. Conclusion was that the vast majority of the time you go for BPA regardless of how strong any position is or how great the need in one that really isn't BPA. They also said that someone inevitably will prove this axiom once again by drafting for need above talent and get a "fail" as a result. Browns have done it so many times it is just uncanny. Put George in charge and do "the opposite".
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If 'needeval' > 'talenteval', then 'draft' = 'fail'...
Speculation on This Morning Football on NFL Network today was on the very issue of BPA vs draft for need. Conclusion was that the vast majority of the time you go for BPA regardless of how strong any position is or how great the need in one that really isn't BPA. They also said that someone inevitably will prove this axiom once again by drafting for need above talent and get a "fail" as a result. Browns have done it so many times it is just uncanny. Put George in charge and do "the opposite".
Browns have done it so many times it is just uncanny. Put George in charge and do "the opposite".
... or Sashi & Company...
All those fails were in the days of "a football guy" calling the shots... Farmer... Holmgren... and on and on...
Every time a new one was put in charge we rallied around them based upon what they'd done wherever they were before they came to us.
Every time a new one drafted some fell away muttering, "WTF?", while others hung in there... at least one more draft. Few of our "guys" ever saw a third draft.
Now we have "a process" full of co-equal key players with a year under their belt, time to prepare and a solid FA season in their resume.
I like our odds...
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If 'needeval' > 'talenteval', then 'draft' = 'fail'...
Speculation on This Morning Football on NFL Network today was on the very issue of BPA vs draft for need. Conclusion was that the vast majority of the time you go for BPA regardless of how strong any position is or how great the need in one that really isn't BPA. They also said that someone inevitably will prove this axiom once again by drafting for need above talent and get a "fail" as a result. Browns have done it so many times it is just uncanny. Put George in charge and do "the opposite".
Speculation on This Morning Football on NFL Network today was on the very issue of BPA vs draft for need. Conclusion was that the vast majority of the time you go for BPA regardless of how strong any position is or how great the need in one that really isn't BPA. They also said that someone inevitably will prove this axiom once again by drafting for need above talent and get a "fail" as a result. Browns have done it so many times it is just uncanny. Put George in charge and do "the opposite".
There undoubtedly has to be some balance between BPA and drafting for need. I mean, if say, the Buccaneers who just drafted Winston a few years ago with the #1 pick, when it was their turn to pick had a QB as the highest graded player on their board, it would make no sense for them to pick that QB.
If your team has a Hall of Fame Left Tackle, yet the best graded player when it is your turn to pick is a Left Tackle, again, it makes no sense to take him....especially if your team has a dearth at QB, WR, DE, DB, LB etc. You move on from the absolutely highest rated player to someone else, closely rated that fits a need.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699236-nfl1000-cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-draft-preview
Draft and current staff analysis ...
Interesting synopsis. Here is the bottom line that I took out of this article. It summarizes the Browns needs (draft or otherwise?) at various positions on a scale of 0-10. And here is what it says:
QB need 10 out of 10
RB need 4 out of 10
FB need 1 out of 10
WR need 4 out of 10
TE need 4 out of 10
LT need 0 out of 10
RT need 0 out of 10 (lot of confidence in Shon Coleman)
OG need 0 out of 10
OC need 0 out of 10
Defense:
DE 8 out of 10
DT 7 out of 10
OLB 9 out of 10
ILB 1 out of 10
CB 8 out of 10
FS 8 out of 10
SS 8 out of 10
K 6 out of 10
P 1 out of 10
So, in order our needs are:
1. QB
2. OLB
3. SS, CB, FS, DE
4. DT
5. Kicker
6. WR/RB/TE
7. ILB, P, FB
8. T, G, C
So, per this, except for primary need at QB, the Browns draft should be seriously defensive heavy, as beside QB the next 6 areas of need are all on defense.
I don't think the Browns will be drafting a K or P...or LS.
One area not covered are kick return positions. To me, that would rate right up there at about the 8 out of 10 level.
So, in order our needs are:
1. QB
2. OLB
3. SS, CB, FS, DE
4. DT
5. Kicker
6. WR/RB/TE
7. ILB, P, FB
8. T, G, C
One area not covered are kick return positions. To me, that would rate right up there at about the 8 out of 10 level.
Nice conversion list Gip. I like it.#3.can also solve a kick return position at same time. If we take 1 position out of #6, which position before the Kicker at 5?
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So, in order our needs are:
1. QB
2. OLB
3. SS, CB, FS, DE
4. DT
5. Kicker
6. WR/RB/TE
7. ILB, P, FB
8. T, G, C
One area not covered are kick return positions. To me, that would rate right up there at about the 8 out of 10 level.
Nice conversion list Gip. I like it.#3.can also solve a kick return position at same time. If we take 1 position out of #6, which position before the Kicker at 5?
Nice conversion list Gip. I like it.#3.can also solve a kick return position at same time. If we take 1 position out of #6, which position before the Kicker at 5?
Well, despite Woody slobbering all over Peppers, he does intrigue me as a potential decent DB....and as a return man.
If he dropped to #33 I would not be opposed to him.
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