The '86 Browns
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That footage of dixon and minny open field tackling, i mean my god. They dont make em much like that anymore. Thosr guys were grown ass men
That footage of dixon and minny open field tackling, i mean my god. They dont make em much like that anymore. Thosr guys were grown ass men
... and closing and leaping...
Not as many shots of Hanford making plays, but then no one threw at him in '86. Saw/heard a stat once where there was some ridiculously low number of passes in his direction one year. Something like 17(?)... I think it was in the "CB Duos", Top Ten...show.
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The Jets game was the last playoff game I attended.Only time I can remember being nervous in that Jets playoff game was when Mosely trotted out for his FGs.
Was he the last of the straight-on kickers?
If it weren't for a bottle of Jack Daniels we snuck inside, I would've froze to death.
Now that you mention Mosely, he was the last non-soccer style kicker I can recall (could've been the Jack Daniels too).
The Jets game was the last playoff game I attended.
If it weren't for a bottle of Jack Daniels we snuck inside, I would've froze to death.
Now that you mention Mosely, he was the last non-soccer style kicker I can recall (could've been the Jack Daniels too).
Yes he retired after the 1986 season. There were still a few egg head barefoot kickers back then, why I don't know. (Oh yeah like Karlis.) In high school in the mid to late 1960s I did some kicking and had a square toe shoe but soccer style is superior.
And the mid 1980s BROWNS did rule!
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It was also fun to watch Safety Ray Ellis (#24) sticking people hard enough to cause turnovers. When we've made the playoffs, we had really good Safeties like Don Rodgers, Ray Ellis, and Eric Turner. I'm glad this draft is really strong at Safety. It's about time we get a good one again.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
That was GREAT FUN ! Seems that the passion then is not the passion for years. And it's the years of
pitiful drafting mistakes - great athletic bodies at the combine - with no heart. No heart at all - but doing
the work to get the money.
The best part, to me, was Kosar and Reggie talking about being aggressive in big games vs a defense that
liked to blitz. LOL. And, like Reggie said, "It always worked"...
Oh, that is great football. I'll take a player like those guys every time - a player that loves the game, wants to win,
over a super physical talent that just isn't loving the game at all. Josh Cribbs talked about it different times when he
was playing - some guys didn't care, some guys were prima donnas who weren't disciplined - a mix for failure.
Those Browns LOVED the battle - they laughed at the struggle, had pride in giving it their all. They loved fighting
to win the games. Those Browns had that in common - they loved the challenge, the fight to win. That's how to build
a team - have a lot of guys like that in the same place.
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It was also fun to watch Safety Ray Ellis (#24) sticking people hard enough to cause turnovers. When we've made the playoffs, we had really good Safeties like Don Rodgers, Ray Ellis, and Eric Turner. I'm glad this draft is really strong at Safety. It's about time we get a good one again.
Safeties like Don Rodgers, Ray Ellis, and Eric Turner. ....... It's about time we get a good one again.
Im the only one....Im sure.....
but, considering we drafted 2 DE's in our first 4 picks last draft, Id be willing to advocate a short trade back for Jamal Adams.....who could be our next Don Rogers.....
Just like the DE position....safety offers lots of talent later in the draft....but only one premier guy at the top.....and the Browns have several developing-viable DE's.......but NO developing viable Safetys.....
So, we can stack another DE on top of Ogbah/Bryant/Nassib.....or add a difference maker to the DB group that has a great big zero in the bag.....
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Safeties like Don Rodgers, Ray Ellis, and Eric Turner. ....... It's about time we get a good one again.
Im the only one....Im sure.....
but, considering we drafted 2 DE's in our first 4 picks last draft, Id be willing to advocate a short trade back for Jamal Adams.....who could be our next Don Rogers.....
Just like the DE position....safety offers lots of talent later in the draft....but only one premier guy at the top.....and the Browns have several developing-viable DE's.......but NO developing viable Safetys.....
So, we can stack another DE on top of Ogbah/Bryant/Nassib.....or add a difference maker to the DB group that has a great big zero in the bag.....
Im the only one....Im sure.....
but, considering we drafted 2 DE's in our first 4 picks last draft, Id be willing to advocate a short trade back for Jamal Adams.....who could be our next Don Rogers.....
Just like the DE position....safety offers lots of talent later in the draft....but only one premier guy at the top.....and the Browns have several developing-viable DE's.......but NO developing viable Safetys.....
So, we can stack another DE on top of Ogbah/Bryant/Nassib.....or add a difference maker to the DB group that has a great big zero in the bag.....
Or take Garrett and rid ourselves of high risk later round picks to move up from #12 for a safety if you really want one that bad.
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Safeties like Don Rodgers, Ray Ellis, and Eric Turner. ....... It's about time we get a good one again.
Im the only one....Im sure.....
but, considering we drafted 2 DE's in our first 4 picks last draft, Id be willing to advocate a short trade back for Jamal Adams.....who could be our next Don Rogers.....
Just like the DE position....safety offers lots of talent later in the draft....but only one premier guy at the top.....and the Browns have several developing-viable DE's.......but NO developing viable Safetys.....
So, we can stack another DE on top of Ogbah/Bryant/Nassib.....or add a difference maker to the DB group that has a great big zero in the bag.....
Im the only one....Im sure.....
but, considering we drafted 2 DE's in our first 4 picks last draft, Id be willing to advocate a short trade back for Jamal Adams.....who could be our next Don Rogers.....
Just like the DE position....safety offers lots of talent later in the draft....but only one premier guy at the top.....and the Browns have several developing-viable DE's.......but NO developing viable Safetys.....
So, we can stack another DE on top of Ogbah/Bryant/Nassib.....or add a difference maker to the DB group that has a great big zero in the bag.....
Sorry... no shoker I am sure... but I don't see it.
No doubt Adams is one of the top impact defenders in this draft, but can he have more impact than Garrett? And with SF looming at #2, it'd better be a very short trade back.
Also don't see Bryant at DE under Williams. I see 3 to 5 tech DT paired with Danny's 0-1. We once had a Bryant who could have thrived as a Williams DE, but he came before Des alphabetically...
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Safeties like Don Rodgers, Ray Ellis, and Eric Turner. ....... It's about time we get a good one again.
Im the only one....Im sure.....
but, considering we drafted 2 DE's in our first 4 picks last draft, Id be willing to advocate a short trade back for Jamal Adams.....who could be our next Don Rogers.....
Just like the DE position....safety offers lots of talent later in the draft....but only one premier guy at the top.....and the Browns have several developing-viable DE's.......but NO developing viable Safetys.....
So, we can stack another DE on top of Ogbah/Bryant/Nassib.....or add a difference maker to the DB group that has a great big zero in the bag.....
Im the only one....Im sure.....
but, considering we drafted 2 DE's in our first 4 picks last draft, Id be willing to advocate a short trade back for Jamal Adams.....who could be our next Don Rogers.....
Just like the DE position....safety offers lots of talent later in the draft....but only one premier guy at the top.....and the Browns have several developing-viable DE's.......but NO developing viable Safetys.....
So, we can stack another DE on top of Ogbah/Bryant/Nassib.....or add a difference maker to the DB group that has a great big zero in the bag.....
Mud
This is the same reasoning why I believe we will go QB at 1 and then BPA at 12. Our DB's from the LB's back is where we need to focus our high picks on.
This team is already loaded with DL.
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Im the only one....Im sure.....
but, considering we drafted 2 DE's in our first 4 picks last draft, Id be willing to advocate a short trade back for Jamal Adams.....who could be our next Don Rogers.....
Just like the DE position....safety offers lots of talent later in the draft....but only one premier guy at the top.....and the Browns have several developing-viable DE's.......but NO developing viable Safetys.....
So, we can stack another DE on top of Ogbah/Bryant/Nassib.....or add a difference maker to the DB group that has a great big zero in the bag.....
Mud
This is the same reasoning why I believe we will go QB at 1 and then BPA at 12. Our DB's from the LB's back is where we need to focus our high picks on.
This team is already loaded with DL.
This team is already loaded with DL.
What statistic can you offer to back up that opinion?
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Im the only one....Im sure.....
but, considering we drafted 2 DE's in our first 4 picks last draft, Id be willing to advocate a short trade back for Jamal Adams.....who could be our next Don Rogers.....
Just like the DE position....safety offers lots of talent later in the draft....but only one premier guy at the top.....and the Browns have several developing-viable DE's.......but NO developing viable Safetys.....
So, we can stack another DE on top of Ogbah/Bryant/Nassib.....or add a difference maker to the DB group that has a great big zero in the bag.....
Or take Garrett and rid ourselves of high risk later round picks to move up from #12 for a safety if you really want one that bad.
Or take Garrett and rid ourselves of high risk later round picks to move up from #12 for a safety if you really want one that bad.
Im game......(just addin some spice, as I usually take Garret in my mocks)
Sorry... no shoker I am sure... but I don't see it.
No doubt Adams is one of the top impact defenders in this draft, but can he have more impact than Garrett? And with SF looming at #2, it'd better be a very short trade back.
Also don't see Bryant at DE under Williams. I see 3 to 5 tech DT paired with Danny's 0-1. We once had a Bryant who could have thrived as a Williams DE, but he came before Des alphabetically...
Honestly....based upon the talent structure of the Browns?....yeah, I think he can have similar impact as Garrett.....
And, with a short trade back, we probably could package him with an Allen or Thomas.....which to me....would offer much more impact than Garrett and who? at 12.....
Mud
This is the same reasoning why I believe we will go QB at 1 and then BPA at 12.
Sorry man.....I hate QB in the first round this year......dont see a single one I think is worth it....
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Or take Garrett and rid ourselves of high risk later round picks to move up from #12 for a safety if you really want one that bad.
Im game......(just addin some spice, as I usually take Garret in my mocks)
Sorry... no shoker I am sure... but I don't see it.
No doubt Adams is one of the top impact defenders in this draft, but can he have more impact than Garrett? And with SF looming at #2, it'd better be a very short trade back.
Also don't see Bryant at DE under Williams. I see 3 to 5 tech DT paired with Danny's 0-1. We once had a Bryant who could have thrived as a Williams DE, but he came before Des alphabetically...
Honestly....based upon the talent structure of the Browns?....yeah, I think he can have similar impact as Garrett.....
And, with a short trade back, we probably could package him with an Allen or Thomas.....which to me....would offer much more impact than Garrett and who? at 12.....
Mud
This is the same reasoning why I believe we will go QB at 1 and then BPA at 12.
Sorry man.....I hate QB in the first round this year......dont see a single one I think is worth it....
Im game......(just addin some spice, as I usually take Garret in my mocks)
Honestly....based upon the talent structure of the Browns?....yeah, I think he can have similar impact as Garrett.....
And, with a short trade back, we probably could package him with an Allen or Thomas.....which to me....would offer much more impact than Garrett and who? at 12.....
Sorry man.....I hate QB in the first round this year......dont see a single one I think is worth it....
FWIW, our 86 team didn't have a killer edge rush spoiling our bum and run studs at corner. Our DEs were former college basketball player Sam Clancy, Reggie Camp and a 34 year old Carl Hairston.
This was where we got our sacks from:
9 - Carl Hairston
7- Reggie Camp
6.5 - Sam Clancy
6 - David Puzzuoli (backup NT)
4.5 - Chip Banks
1 - Clay Matthews
1 - Ray Ellis
The best edge rush I've seen here came from Jamir Miller back in 2001. It would be nice if we could finally help a guy like Joe Haden out with one so people could see how good he is when he has an even slate with other corners that do enjoy the perk of an edge rush like the touchy feeley corner in Seattle per say...
The good news is there's going to be some really good Safeties still on our door step at #33 and probably even at #52 because this draft is pretty deep at the position.
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It was also fun to watch Safety Ray Ellis (#24) sticking people hard enough to cause turnovers. When we've made the playoffs, we had really good Safeties like Don Rodgers, Ray Ellis, and Eric Turner. I'm glad this draft is really strong at Safety. It's about time we get a good one again.
It was also fun to watch Safety Ray Ellis (#24) sticking people hard enough to cause turnovers. When we've made the playoffs, we had really good Safeties like Don Rodgers, Ray Ellis, and Eric Turner. I'm glad this draft is really strong at Safety. It's about time we get a good one again.
Lets not forget Felix Wright , either.. He wasnt chopped liver by any means.
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This team is already loaded with DL.
What statistic can you offer to back up that opinion?
What statistic can you offer to back up that opinion?
Numbers man, numbers, Meder, Bryant, Ogbah, Nassib, Shelton,Cooper plus the other fill ins. Adding Garrett to that would be awesome, however he is a luxury and we need a QB. Get the QB then hope for allen at 12 would be my approach. As for the not #1 worthy BS, If any of them prove to be our savior it won't matter where we picked him.
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It was also fun to watch Safety Ray Ellis (#24) sticking people hard enough to cause turnovers. When we've made the playoffs, we had really good Safeties like Don Rodgers, Ray Ellis, and Eric Turner. I'm glad this draft is really strong at Safety. It's about time we get a good one again.
Lets not forget Felix Wright , either.. He wasnt chopped liver by any means.
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What statistic can you offer to back up that opinion?
Numbers man, numbers, Meder, Bryant, Ogbah, Nassib, Shelton,Cooper plus the other fill ins. Adding Garrett to that would be awesome, however he is a luxury and we need a QB. Get the QB then hope for allen at 12 would be my approach. As for the not #1 worthy BS, If any of them prove to be our savior it won't matter where we picked him.
Numbers man, numbers, Meder, Bryant, Ogbah, Nassib, Shelton,Cooper plus the other fill ins.
Solomon Thomas or Allen seem to be the better fit to spell Meder or Cooper but damn if we pass on The Freak the Sunday Comic section will be about 8 pages thicker.I like OG-Lava-Des-Myles..Would Allen or Thomas be much better than Des/Cooper or Meder is the real question?(let's move it out of a great tread though)
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and just ahead of those guys....was the great Tom Darden....
Oh yeah! Great guy to remember. He made a Pro Bowl and led the NFL in INTs in 78 and played solid football from 72-81. I think he finished with 45 INTs and 2 TDs. I think he still leads us in INTs all time but that might need some double-checking.
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What statistic can you offer to back up that opinion?
Numbers man, numbers, Meder, Bryant, Ogbah, Nassib, Shelton,Cooper plus the other fill ins. Adding Garrett to that would be awesome, however he is a luxury and we need a QB. Get the QB then hope for allen at 12 would be my approach. As for the not #1 worthy BS, If any of them prove to be our savior it won't matter where we picked him.
Numbers man, numbers, Meder, Bryant, Ogbah, Nassib, Shelton,Cooper plus the other fill ins. Adding Garrett to that would be awesome, however he is a luxury and we need a QB. Get the QB then hope for allen at 12 would be my approach. As for the not #1 worthy BS, IF any of them prove to be our savior it won't matter where we picked him.
I posted this groupd "numbers" in another thread... they are not pretty.
And I fixed your QB take... biggest "IF" I could find...
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What statistic can you offer to back up that opinion?
Numbers man, numbers, Meder, Bryant, Ogbah, Nassib, Shelton,Cooper plus the other fill ins. Adding Garrett to that would be awesome, however he is a luxury and we need a QB. Get the QB then hope for allen at 12 would be my approach. As for the not #1 worthy BS, If any of them prove to be our savior it won't matter where we picked him.
Get the QB then hope for allen at 12 would be my approach.
"Hope" is not a plan.
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Get the QB then hope for allen at 12 would be my approach.
"Hope" is not a plan.
"Hope" is not a plan.
And looking for a QB in the later rounds is? Draft is a crap shoot. Garrett could be Courtney Brown/Mingo we just don't know. Play the odds QB then BPA at 12.
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