What we should do this year.Really.
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@ghoolie said:
Every loss was due to offense. Not enough points. Making the D play too many plays. Trubisky is the pick. Garrett, if you hadn't heard, is going to jail.
You got the wrong guy- Garrett wasn't even in Cleveland. He's not that type of guy. And FYI it was Gareon Conley. Wrong position, wrong school.
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Take BPA every damn pick and don't reach up the board for anyone. Let the player fall to the team, not the team give away the bank for the player. Trade down only if you are certain the BPA you have on your board will still be at the level you drop to.
Watson = trubs on my board and one of them will be there as BPA @ 12 most likely, so no QB reach is needed. If they are gone then you have a really excellent defender as BPA.
Take BPA every damn pick and don't reach up the board for anyone. Let the player fall to the team, not the team give away the bank for the player. Trade down only if you are certain the BPA you have on your board will still be at the level you drop to.
Watson = trubs on my board and one of them will be there as BPA @ 12 most likely, so no QB reach is needed. If they are gone then you have a really excellent defender as BPA.
Agreed one of them will be there at #12, and it probably won't be Mitch. FWIW, me and Gipper have pitchers of margaritas and dinner at Maya riding on that.
The Niners could do us a huge favor taking Watson @ #2. Now his "I'm too good to fail" comment. I'll say this- he's sure not lacking in confidence.
Ha, Colt McCoy won a lot of games in college, Vince Young won the National Title. Need I go on? I'm with Ghoolie on Watson- way more questions about him than Trubs. He looked good on those deep passes tossing them in the same area code to Williams. LOL, the same way Johnny Boy did to Evans. Add in the velocity issue, going through progressions- so just no to DW- PLEASE!!!
Just NO!! to scattershot Kizer too.
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Yep. 22.
Well... we haven't tried trading down to take a QB at 22...
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Yep. 22.
Well... we haven't tried trading down to take a QB at 22...
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Nah... there will be a better, Defensive, BPA there at 12...
While you can't go into a draft with a board biased to one side of the ball or the other, that the D-side is where it is at this draft is undeniable.
That said... you still take a shot at a QB at some point in this draft where the value is there.... a/k/a he's in the BPA mix. I see Kaaya in the hunt in Round 3 and there's always Kelly in Round 5.
If Trubs is there at 12, you could probably go ahead and pass on him with the thought that you could probably trade to 23/24 to get him; as not too many teams between 12-24 are looking for a qb with the exception of az but they seem to think Mahomes is the guy.
If Trubs is there at 12, you could probably go ahead and pass on him with the thought that you could probably trade to 23/24 to get him; as not too many teams between 12-24 are looking for a qb with the exception of az but they seem to think Mahomes is the guy.
If Mahomes is their guy, then it is because they think that there is no way in hell that MT would be there for them. And they would be right.
MT won't be there for the Browns at 12...if you are thinking that. I don't think Watson will be either.
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Take BPA every damn pick and don't reach up the board for anyone. Let the player fall to the team, not the team give away the bank for the player. Trade down only if you are certain the BPA you have on your board will still be at the level you drop to.
Watson = trubs on my board and one of them will be there as BPA @ 12 most likely, so no QB reach is needed. If they are gone then you have a really excellent defender as BPA.
Agreed one of them will be there at #12, and it probably won't be Mitch. FWIW, me and Gipper have pitchers of margaritas and dinner at Maya riding on that.
The Niners could do us a huge favor taking Watson @ #2. Now his "I'm too good to fail" comment. I'll say this- he's sure not lacking in confidence.
Ha, Colt McCoy won a lot of games in college, Vince Young won the National Title. Need I go on? I'm with Ghoolie on Watson- way more questions about him than Trubs. He looked good on those deep passes tossing them in the same area code to Williams. LOL, the same way Johnny Boy did to Evans. Add in the velocity issue, going through progressions- so just no to DW- PLEASE!!!
Just NO!! to scattershot Kizer too.
Agreed one of them will be there at #12, and it probably won't be Mitch. FWIW, me and Gipper have pitchers of margaritas and dinner at Maya riding on that.
With Stan and Zombo, though I don't know if Zombo took the bet.
Z has kind of stood on the sidelines of the whole draft discussion nonsense. Not that I blame him. I vowed to do it to...but i guess I did the equivalent of cheating on my spouse.
The Niners could do us a huge favor taking Watson @ #2. Now his "I'm too good to fail" comment. I'll say this- he's sure not lacking in confidence.
Ha, Colt McCoy won a lot of games in college, Vince Young won the National Title. Need I go on? I'm with Ghoolie on Watson- way more questions about him than Trubs. He looked good on those deep passes tossing them in the same area code to Williams. LOL, the same way Johnny Boy did to Evans. Add in the velocity issue, going through progressions- so just no to DW- PLEASE!!!
Odds are, if both of those are taken,one will be a bust.
Just NO!! to scattershot Kizer too.
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Yep. 22.
Well... we haven't tried trading down to take a QB at 22...
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Lets just put the QBOF debate away for this year. Everyone agrees that next next presents a better,more plentiful crop of NFL prospects.Cousins,McCarron, and Garoppolo are NFL ready. We can just buy one of those three. The class of college QB's next year exceed this years class. Last year we led 5 games at the half.We trailed 3 more by 6 points or less.We need defense people.Lots of defense. The only offensive offensive player I would take in the first 2 rounds is O.J.Howard. Lets see what we have in Kessler and Osweiller. We finished 30th or worse in the top 4 defensive catagories. We didn't lose last year because of our offense,it was our defense.Defense,defense,and more defense is how I would go. Lets build the team and see what we have that needs fixed.Do not mortgage our assets for a maybe.Next year we can afford to buy a couple of these guys and see who works out.If we need to.
Lets just put the QBOF debate away for this year. Everyone agrees that next next presents a better,more plentiful crop of NFL prospects.Cousins,McCarron, and Garoppolo are NFL ready. We can just buy one of those three. The class of college QB's next year exceed this years class. Last year we led 5 games at the half.We trailed 3 more by 6 points or less.We need defense people.Lots of defense. The only offensive offensive player I would take in the first 2 rounds is O.J.Howard. Lets see what we have in Kessler and Osweiller. We finished 30th or worse in the top 4 defensive catagories. We didn't lose last year because of our offense,it was our defense.Defense,defense,and more defense is how I would go. Lets build the team and see what we have that needs fixed.Do not mortgage our assets for a maybe.Next year we can afford to buy a couple of these guys and see who works out.If we need to.
u rule seriously I could not agree more
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I'm hoping all the Browns' calls were to generate more QB interest so at least 2 go before we pick @ 12 so we have more good defenders to chose from. And if they have a target that is really further down the board, I am not averse to trading down for a lower one plus a pick for next year to give us more ammo to go for a real QB early in the 2018 draft.
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