Watson, Kizer, Trubisky, Mahomes
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This is one of the most interesting QB draft classes I've ever seen. Each has very specific + and - to their game.
We have the "Michael Jordan of QBs", the big-body canon-armed yet intelligent and eloquent current Cleveland Brown, another an intriguing hometown homer who is light on film, and lastly Mahomes who has probably the most mystery and most natural throwing talent of all of them.
I feel decent about Kizer, but I definitely look forward to casually following all of their careers.
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Trubisky, Watson, Watson.
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Here comes Ghoolie
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I'm not crazy about any of them, but DeShaun Watson is set up better than any other QB in the class to excel and succeed. He's going to a pretty damn good team with a coach who's made his living on developing QB talent. They like Tom Savage enough to start him 6+ weeks and let Watson come in (if he doesn't start week 1 which I think he will).
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Like I said before the draft, Kiser is the best of the bunch, best talent with highest upside.
Watson will be a solid pro. Mahomo will be a bust, and Trubisky will likely bust as well.
Z
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Like I said before the draft, Kiser is the best of the bunch, best talent with highest upside.
Watson will be a solid pro. Mahomo will be a bust, and Trubisky will likely bust as well.
Z
Zombo said:
Like I said before the draft, Kiser is the best of the bunch, best talent with highest upside.
Watson will be a solid pro. Mahomo will be a bust, and Trubisky will likely bust as well.
Z
Trubisky will turn out to be Aaron Rodgers lite. But I do think that Mahomes and Watson have the best chances to bust. If Kizer turns out to be the best of the bunch...and I hope he will be, that will mean the Browns will be in for a very good future.
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I think it says something that every team gave up serious assets to draft the three QBs before Kizer and their upside/potential doesn't differ much between them.
I wasn't high on Kizer before the draft but I was happy with where we drafted him. No pressure and a solid opportunity to fix our quarterback situation in Cleveland.
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@ghoolie said:
Trubisky is the only QB in the bunch. Three black Tarkentons will all wind up in the fucking trash can with RG3, Culpepper, Newton and the rest of the jumpy, jittery, juggernauts.
NEW FLASH................nobody plays spread offernse, flag-football in the NFL. Kizer, Watson and Mahomes all used their feet to play QB. In college their physical ability is superior to most of the folks they play against. In the NFL their speed is ordinary and their life-long teachings to run run run...will get them fucked up quickly.
Trubisky plays with his brain and his arm. He is the only QB in this group who has real QB skills.
Kessler will get fucked up or pulled within 4 games, most likely the Steelers will concuss him again. Then we get Turdwieller, then black Tarkenton. We will get to see Trubisky twice. I can't wait to see him rip Williams "Irritated Gorilla Offense" to shreds, while Browns fans talk about how we are building assets.
Trubisky plays for the Bears. The Browns do play them in the next to last game of the season. For the Browns to see him twice, it will mean they will be playing each other in the Super Bowl.
Or, err, maybe you are talking about the preseason. They play them in the very last preseason game.....like that game means anything to anyone.
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Like I said before the draft, Kiser is the best of the bunch, best talent with highest upside.
Watson will be a solid pro. Mahomo will be a bust, and Trubisky will likely bust as well.
Z
I was on the Mitch train then after the draft I'm on the Bitch train. I like Kiser a lot but see Watson having the skillset to win in his first four seasons. Maybe not a SB but will win.Zombo said:
Like I said before the draft, Kiser is the best of the bunch, best talent with highest upside.
Watson will be a solid pro. Mahomo will be a bust, and Trubisky will likely bust as well.
Z
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Kizer sucks.
Kizer sucks.
They may all suck..At this leagues speed you cannot fix erratic accuracy issues. For that reason alone Watson & Kizer should not be forced to play yet. But Watson will. Trubisky has the Wentz advantage of small school vs. not enough reps. Both are accurate but both still take risk trying to trust their arm speed. The Bears are not even close to the team talent on Philly right now. That leaves Maholmes. Why not? a crazed gun-slinger that Andy Reid can finally see the ball go down the field with..Best #1.Career--MaHolmes #2. None will start week 1 #3.Bust--Mitchell..The Bears have a roster that the Jets & Browns almost equal. John Fox must win..Even Mitch's mama gun'a cry (again)
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@ghoolie said:
Trubisky is the only QB in the bunch. Three black Tarkentons will all wind up in the fucking trash can with RG3, Culpepper, Newton and the rest of the jumpy, jittery, juggernauts.
NEW FLASH................nobody plays spread offernse, flag-football in the NFL. Kizer, Watson and Mahomes all used their feet to play QB. In college their physical ability is superior to most of the folks they play against. In the NFL their speed is ordinary and their life-long teachings to run run run...will get them fucked up quickly.
Trubisky plays with his brain and his arm. He is the only QB in this group who has real QB skills.
Kessler will get fucked up or pulled within 4 games, most likely the Steelers will concuss him again. Then we get Turdwieller, then black Tarkenton. We will get to see Trubisky twice. I can't wait to see him rip Williams "Irritated Gorilla Offense" to shreds, while Browns fans talk about how we are building assets.
Trubisky locks his front leg out when he throws. defenders will target it.
He's a good kid personally but It's likely the Browns weren't high on him and that's probably the biggest reason why. That's one of the hardest habits to correct regarding throwing. The Browns front office absolutely fleeced the Bears and kept they rest of the NFL guessing for 1 1/2 rounds.
I heard Kizer visited with the Browns 6 or 7 times pre draft. He throws a real nice catchable ball. It was on display in the short video the team put out yesterday on that pass to Britt (18), ball flew off his hand. His throwing motion was slower a month ago. Now his arm is a blurr. Browns are in great shape at QB compared to last year.
Ghoolie, if you are such a racist why even watch NFL? Plenty of hockey fan message boards out there. Or perhaps figure skating is more up your "skin pigmentation" alley.
Greg Williams "Gorillas" are going to make your Steelers wish Depodesta was still in baseball.
What's your over/under for the Browns this year? If it's two games I'll put $1000 on the over. Easy Money, Rodney.
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I'm happy with the value we got in Kizer in the 2nd. Where will he ultimately fall in this draft class? Dunno... but I feel his odds are as good as any in a class you can throw a blanket over making "value" a matter of price paid. Best value in the class? Kelly... hard to beat "Mr. Irrelevant" value.
Situationally Kizer's is as good as any and better than most of the others in the class. Young QB on a developing team with a proven QB developer. Contrast his situation with Trub, who has the weight of a franchise on his shoulders, and Watson, who has a QB ruiner overseeing his development. Only situation that rivals Kizer's is Mahomes' one under Reid with no pressure to do anything except learn.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm happy with the value we got in Kizer in the 2nd. Where will he ultimately fall in this draft class? Dunno... but I feel his odds are as good as any in a class you can throw a blanket over making "value" a matter of price paid. Best value in the class? Kelly... hard to beat "Mr. Irrelevant" value.
Situationally Kizer's is as good as any and better than most of the others in the class. Young QB on a developing team with a proven QB developer. Contrast his situation with Trub, who has the weight of a franchise on his shoulders, and Watson, who has a QB ruiner overseeing his development. Only situation that rivals Kizer's is Mahomes' one under Reid with no pressure to do anything except learn.
I'm happy with the value we got in Kizer in the 2nd. Where will he ultimately fall in this draft class? Dunno... but I feel his odds are as good as any in a class you can throw a blanket over making "value" a matter of price paid. Best value in the class? Kelly... hard to beat "Mr. Irrelevant" value.
Situationally Kizer's is as good as any and better than most of the others in the class. Young QB on a developing team with a proven QB developer. Contrast his situation with Trub, who has the weight of a franchise on his shoulders, and Watson, who has a QB ruiner overseeing his development. Only situation that rivals Kizer's is Mahomes' one under Reid with no pressure to do anything except learn.
I know it is not really accurate to do this, but perhaps we could look at this past year's draft in the same light as the 2014 QB draft:
A DE is taken #1 overall.
Then a fairly touted QB goes 2d/3rd (Trubisky, Bortles)
Then down the line a couple of other QBs are taken in round 1: JMZ and Teddy Twatwater. One gets injured, one is a bust.
I see Watson as a sort of Bridgewater type QB (yea...both black...but also similar build/style). JMZ and Mahomes are nothing alike stylistically....but each had/has bust potential.
Then the best of the bunch comes from round 2: Derek Carr......and DeShon Kizer?????
One can only hope.
Like the Raiders Browns may have the Khalil Mack..if Garrett is all that. But what about their Amari Cooper?
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I'm not crazy about any of them, but DeShaun Watson is set up better than any other QB in the class to excel and succeed. He's going to a pretty damn good team with a coach who's made his living on developing QB talent. They like Tom Savage enough to start him 6+ weeks and let Watson come in (if he doesn't start week 1 which I think he will).
I'm trying to think of all the QBs BOB has developed. Can't think of one.I'm not crazy about any of them, but DeShaun Watson is set up better than any other QB in the class to excel and succeed. He's going to a pretty damn good team with a coach who's made his living on developing QB talent. They like Tom Savage enough to start him 6+ weeks and let Watson come in (if he doesn't start week 1 which I think he will).
Who are you thinking?
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I'm trying to think of all the QBs BOB has developed. Can't think of one.I'm not crazy about any of them, but DeShaun Watson is set up better than any other QB in the class to excel and succeed. He's going to a pretty damn good team with a coach who's made his living on developing QB talent. They like Tom Savage enough to start him 6+ weeks and let Watson come in (if he doesn't start week 1 which I think he will).
Who are you thinking?
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I'm happy with the value we got in Kizer in the 2nd. Where will he ultimately fall in this draft class? Dunno... but I feel his odds are as good as any in a class you can throw a blanket over making "value" a matter of price paid. Best value in the class? Kelly... hard to beat "Mr. Irrelevant" value.
Situationally Kizer's is as good as any and better than most of the others in the class. Young QB on a developing team with a proven QB developer. Contrast his situation with Trub, who has the weight of a franchise on his shoulders, and Watson, who has a QB ruiner overseeing his development. Only situation that rivals Kizer's is Mahomes' one under Reid with no pressure to do anything except learn.
I'm happy with the value we got in Kizer in the 2nd. Where will he ultimately fall in this draft class? Dunno... but I feel his odds are as good as any in a class you can throw a blanket over making "value" a matter of price paid.
I would agree with this 100%.......wasnt enamored with any of this years prospects and, compared to drafting one high, I think they took the right route with Kizer....a better value
Had they selected ANY of these guys at the top of the first, I might have committed hari kari.....
Also....late second round for one of the top prospects is way better than 3rd round for a projected UDFA.....so, a step in the right direction
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