Biggest Areas of Concern
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I didn't say anything about the OL or receivers. But this FO has not shied away from taking problem kids. That's a fact at this point.
WRONG. Looks to me like they "shied away" from taking problem kids except twice, coleman was not a problem kid.
Looks to me like they SHIED AWAY until the 5th and 6th rounds, and they took a chance on a kid.
And this is a lot of picks.
2916 NFL Browns Draft picks
Let's mark the "problem kids" the first two drafts of this FO
1st Round ($1)Myles Garrett, Defensive End, Texas A&M
1st Round (#15): WR Corey Coleman *** I don't think so - wasn't a problem before the draft...
2nd Round (#32): DE Emmanuel Ogbah
3rd Round (#65): DE Carl Nassib
3rd Round (#76): OT Shon Coleman
3rd Round (#93): QB Cody Kessler
4th Round (#99): LB Joe Schobert
4th Round (#114): WR Ricardo Louis
4th Round (#129): S Derrick Kindred
4th Round (#138): TE Seth DeValve
5th Round (#154): WR Jordan Payton *** Problem kid
5th Round (#168): OT Spencer Drango
5th Round (#172): WR Rashard Higgins
5th Round (#173): CB Trey Caldwell
7th Round (#250): ILB Scooby Wright III
2017
Round 1
Pick 1: Myles Garrett
Pick 2: Jabrill Peppers
Pick 3: David Njoku
Pick 4: DeShone Kizer
Pick 5: Larry Ogunjobi
Pick 6: Howard Wilson
Pick 7: Roderick Johnson
Pick 8: Caleb Brantley ***Problem Kid
Pick 9: Zane Gonzalez
Pick 10: Matthew Dayes
WRONG. Looks to me like they "shied away" from taking problem kids except twice, coleman was not a problem kid.
Looks to me like they SHIED AWAY until the 5th and 6th rounds, and they took a chance on a kid.
And this is a lot of picks.
Every team "shies away" from problems Cal......so you're admitting to 2 in 2 drafts(that were known prior to picking them).....mysteriously leaving out Peppers failed drug test at the combine.....none the less, please tell me about "all" the problem kids(before the draft) that we picked previously...because I come up with Gordon in 2012 and Johnny in 2014....
So...2 in 4 drafts....compared to "your" 2 in 2 drafts?.......
Ill add....I really dont have major issues with rolling the dice on a talented player, even if he smokes weed or has a few skeletons in his closet......my issue is the constant denial that we've stopped doing that, as if we only draft uber high character, faultless athletes now.....the denial part is what I find silly...
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failed due to overhydration isn't a character flaw - a dumb technicality. We are talking about THIS FRONT OFFICE.
Not the past. And taking a chance on risk red flag players from college... 5th or 6th round, I have no problem with that.
It's the taking of a Josh Gordon in the second round.
and taking jm and gilbert in the first.
Gordon and Johnny were not this front office and coaching staff have only been here two years.
that is the freaking point.
Before the last two years, give it a freaking rest already. The startover was two drafts ago. I listed all those picks,
and you keep dragging previous historically bad picks and trying to slam our current FO and coaches with it.
That's just rationalizing the "poor, poor pitiful me" sad victim stuff. The last two years, look at the picks that
matter. Every single team in the NFL has this problem. Some teams don't pay attention to character at all.
and they get burnt by it immensely.
You are still drafting human beings - and nobody is perfect. But this FO and coaches would NEVER have drafted
jm and gilbert and gordon...etc. You don't take stupid chances in the first three or four rounds when you need them
to make a difference in your football team.
Drafting only for athletic talent is stupid. Jeremiah Pharms...jm gordon gilbert etc etc etc
they showed what they were in college. and the Browns ignored it because their numbers were terrific at the combine.
NO MORE. That is a huge, huge improvement on how they select players now, that's all.
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You realize that you're the one saying "this FO is different bc they don't draft problem kids." Therefore the onus is on you to point it out.
You can't just carve out an arbitrary exception like "well they don't do it in the first 4 rounds."
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it isn't black and white. The idea is, their criteria is different now. No more giberts, jms, gordons etc in the first 3/4 rounds.
anybody can take a chance on a questionable player later on. It's the stupid lack of legit criteria for drafting. (period). Mixon wasn't questionable. See the difference?
http://nflspinzone.com/2017/04/10/cleveland-browns-will-draft-character-risks-year/
"Many people point to Hue Jackson’s time with the Cincinnati Bengals as an argument to say the Browns would be inclined to take character risks. The issue with that is it been none other than Jackson himself that has emphasized character since he’s hired by the Browns. It was also Jackson that was the most vocal critic of Manziel before he was released and was pretty clear in how he felt about Gordon last year when he went to rehab."
"The Browns have put in a lot of effort to try to bring in certain kinds of players that fit their team athletically, in terms of production and their character. It would be a genuine shock for the Browns, with all of their effort and talks of changing the culture, to then just go the complete opposite direction."
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I'll just say this.. The actions of this team , tells Me they do not believe building the franchise around the QB by building a solid QB room. They drafted and brought in so many lineman on both sides of the ball. I'm wondering which one of them us gonna be the QB and score points.. Because we have 0 QB and 0 at the WR position.. What a sad joke this franchise is.
again, the squealers didn't do that, either. They had their team built, and got their raping to go qb.
again, the squealers didn't do that, either. They had their team built, and got their raping to go qb.
So 2018 Sam Darnold is going to be DA Bomb. then Browns "improve" to a- by their standards to a respectable 6-10. Guess what? We're not getting him, short of trading away a couple drafts.
Two days of trying to fix the old )_(&)(*&^ riding mower.
So, it was not delusion that caused me to happily persevere and know I was going to get it fixed eventually.
It was trust, and the agonizing fun of finally getting there and winning .
So it is, that I do the same on the Browns. Mower sucks, taken apart, problems/aggravation,almost broke my hand
a few times, and had cursies? yep.
What frreaking sense does it make to whine, complain, cry, moan, lament and criticize everthing that moves,
when your lawnmower needs fixed?
Just get positive attitude going, laugh it off, and keep workin at it. Never....NEVER give up.
There ain't no freaking "delusion" confusion, here. Just whinsies.
Free country - but giving up doesn't get the mower fixed.
Ever hear time is money? Drop that mower off at the repair shop- no cursies, except when they don't fix it right? Could have been out planting tomatoes, instead of futzing around with a broken mower.
NO MORE. That is a huge, huge improvement on how they select players now, that's all.
I'm firmly in Mud's Camp, my motto is, and has been- SHOW ME. Want to talk about that huge improvement in wide receivers they selected last year? Near zero production. Oh, we're going to hope they improve? Hope isn't reality. Everyone "hopes" they have the winning lottery ticket when they buy one. So if this crop flops, we'll just draft more with all those picks we have next year. Depodesta said as much. "We don't think we're smarter than anyone else." Not exactly encouraging in my book. So as Ghoolie said, we're passing on talent everyone else is desirous of- for more spins at the roulette wheel down the road. We're going to hit it big- eventually.
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Brantley isn't a problem kid..
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Ever hear time is money? Drop that mower off at the repair shop- no cursies, except when they don't fix it right? Could have been out planting tomatoes, instead of futzing around with a broken mower. Mr. Hoorta
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Sure, but they are backed up about 2 1/2 weeks, lawn needs mowed, and...
that's that. Planted two acres of sunflowers today. Test planting to test biodiesel market, etc.
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Ever hear time is money? Drop that mower off at the repair shop- no cursies, except when they don't fix it right? Could have been out planting tomatoes, instead of futzing around with a broken mower. Mr. Hoorta
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Sure, but they are backed up about 2 1/2 weeks, lawn needs mowed, and...
that's that. Planted two acres of sunflowers today. Test planting to test biodiesel market, etc.
Ever hear time is money? Drop that mower off at the repair shop- no cursies, except when they don't fix it right? Could have been out planting tomatoes, instead of futzing around with a broken mower. Mr. Hoorta
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Sure, but they are backed up about 2 1/2 weeks, lawn needs mowed, and...
that's that. Planted two acres of sunflowers today. Test planting to test biodiesel market, etc.
There is farm machinery for mowing hay fields. Lawn needs mowed? Or organic solution- rent neighbor's cows.
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I have a brush hog, but I need a bigger one...eventually. The old farmer quit having cattle..too much work.
...tried to talk him into raising buffalo so I could buy buffalo meat from him....to no avail. lol As far as cutting hay for
harvest, we have a 9' "moco"...JD scissors blade/big rubber rollers cruncher jobbie that works great. Ya crunch the
hay as you are cutting it, so it dries a lot faster, which is important especially for alfalpha and clover, which dries slower...
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