Josh Gordon
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No reinstatement application from Josh Gordon, yet
Posted by Mike Florio on October 3, 2017, 12:53 PM EDT
Getty ImagesBrowns receive Josh Gordon ended a 90-day rehab stint last month. He is eligible to apply for reinstatement to the NFL. Per a league source, that hasn’t happened yet.
Gordon hasn’t filed yet even though former Olympian Tim Montgomery, who has been assisting Gordon, has said, “He’s coming. . . I think he’s going to be there this season.”
Even if Gordon files this week, the league has no deadline or timetable for resolving a reinstatement request. And since Gordon currently doesn’t have an agent to help Gordon through the process of filing his petition, the application may not move as quickly as it otherwise would.
Gordon, a second-round pick in the 2012 supplemental draft, last played in 2014, appearing in five games and catching 24 passes for 303 yards. In 2013, Gordon generated 1,646 receiving yards in 14 games.
It’s a shame that his talent has been wasted, both by his inability to comply with the league’s rules regarding off-field substance use and abuse — and by the league’s insistence to police the private lives of employees for things completely unrelated to their unemployment.
No reinstatement application from Josh Gordon, yet
Posted by Mike Florio on October 3, 2017, 12:53 PM EDT
Getty ImagesEven if Gordon files this week, the league has no deadline or timetable for resolving a reinstatement request. And since Gordon currently doesn’t have an agent to help Gordon through the process of filing his petition, the application may not move as quickly as it otherwise would.
Mike Florio & his damn coded double talk..I believe? Gordon or the players union can file PETITION stating "Hey I Want Reinstatement" per League Form..But Roger can Form APPLICATION to his Standards for his stamp of approval...could be wrong? but for damn sure,, I ever filed for being a Dope..
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he's probably apply, and get re-instated for the last game of the season, get a signing bonus, and pull a hammy
in the practice on friday.
I don't care anymore about Gordon coming back, I think he's a lost cause.
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No reinstatement application from Josh Gordon, yet
Posted by Mike Florio on October 3, 2017, 12:53 PM EDTGetty ImagesBrowns receive Josh Gordon ended a 90-day rehab stint last month. He is eligible to apply for reinstatement to the NFL. Per a league source, that hasn’t happened yet.
Gordon hasn’t filed yet even though former Olympian Tim Montgomery, who has been assisting Gordon, has said, “He’s coming. . . I think he’s going to be there this season.”
Even if Gordon files this week, the league has no deadline or timetable for resolving a reinstatement request. And since Gordon currently doesn’t have an agent to help Gordon through the process of filing his petition, the application may not move as quickly as it otherwise would.
Gordon, a second-round pick in the 2012 supplemental draft, last played in 2014, appearing in five games and catching 24 passes for 303 yards. In 2013, Gordon generated 1,646 receiving yards in 14 games.
It’s a shame that his talent has been wasted, both by his inability to comply with the league’s rules regarding off-field substance use and abuse — and by the league’s insistence to police the private lives of employees for things completely unrelated to their unemployment.
No reinstatement application from Josh Gordon, yet
Guessing this will be Goodell's or someone else's fault?
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No reinstatement application from Josh Gordon, yet
Guessing this will be Goodell's or someone else's fault?
Guessing this will Goodell's or someone else's fault?
It's always easier to blame someone else....
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MKC even wrote something about this. . .
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/josh_gordon_hasnt_yet_applied.html
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It is a bit curious he hasn't applied yet. Perhaps he's also trying to get his paternity issue ironed out to further demonstrate his taking on adult responsibility. Honestly whether Hue / Sashi want to bring him back or not I think cutting him if reinstated would cause a mass fan exodus.
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It is a bit curious he hasn't applied yet. Perhaps he's also trying to get his paternity issue ironed out to further demonstrate his taking on adult responsibility. Honestly whether Hue / Sashi want to bring him back or not I think cutting him if reinstated would cause a mass fan exodus.
It is a bit curious he hasn't applied yet. Perhaps he's also trying to get his paternity issue ironed out to further demonstrate his taking on adult responsibility. Honestly whether Hue / Sashi want to bring him back or not I think cutting him if reinstated would cause a mass fan exodus.
Cutting a guy who has done everything to sabotage his own football career, since the day he enrolled in college to today would be the straw that broke the camel's back concerning Browns fans and their loyalty to this franchise?
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I mean, the season is a quarter of the way over with, so if there's any hope of getting this thing done, it'd have to be done NOW. The only thing I can think of is that the NFL and Gordon could POSSIBLY have an arrangement, in that Josh continues to stay clean AND attends another rehab (which he attended), and if he's met the other conditions, his application will be reviewed with the assumption that he'll be reinstated. Think about it. Why would he attend another rehab stint? He just went earlier this year. There's been zero indication of poor behavior or failure to adhere to rules, other than speculation that he didn't do something right in August (nothing confirmed). And like the article said, there's no timetable for decisions on applications. It could literally take 30 minutes.
Look, the NFL wants to help Gordon. They want a good story showing they are compassionate and they want to help people. The NFL has enough negative press right now, and they know it. If Gordon truly is sober and he truly has done what was asked, then he has a shot. What would be the reason to keep him suspended? To punish? To prove a point? It literally doesn't make sense. Josh has made his bed, we get it, but at some point the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Jesus Christ the man smokes weed for crying loud. Here in Florida you can get a dang prescription for it, and it's far safer than any opioid pain killer.
You wanna talk about a shot in the arm? You want to see a WR who can win one on one match ups? Someone who can get deep or get yards after the catch? Give me Josh Gordon, Myles Garrett, Jamie Collins, and Danny Shelton, and then give me Corey Coleman back and let's see this team.
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I mean, the season is a quarter of the way over with, so if there's any hope of getting this thing done, it'd have to be done NOW. The only thing I can think of is that the NFL and Gordon could POSSIBLY have an arrangement, in that Josh continues to stay clean AND attends another rehab (which he attended), and if he's met the other conditions, his application will be reviewed with the assumption that he'll be reinstated. Think about it. Why would he attend another rehab stint? He just went earlier this year. There's been zero indication of poor behavior or failure to adhere to rules, other than speculation that he didn't do something right in August (nothing confirmed). And like the article said, there's no timetable for decisions on applications. It could literally take 30 minutes.
Look, the NFL wants to help Gordon. They want a good story showing they are compassionate and they want to help people. The NFL has enough negative press right now, and they know it. If Gordon truly is sober and he truly has done what was asked, then he has a shot. What would be the reason to keep him suspended? To punish? To prove a point? It literally doesn't make sense. Josh has made his bed, we get it, but at some point the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Jesus Christ the man smokes weed for crying loud. Here in Florida you can get a dang prescription for it, and it's far safer than any opioid pain killer.
You wanna talk about a shot in the arm? You want to see a WR who can win one on one match ups? Someone who can get deep or get yards after the catch? Give me Josh Gordon, Myles Garrett, Jamie Collins, and Danny Shelton, and then give me Corey Coleman back and let's see this team.
I mean, the season is a quarter of the way over with, so if there's any hope of getting this thing done, it'd have to be done NOW. The only thing I can think of is that the NFL and Gordon could POSSIBLY have an arrangement, in that Josh continues to stay clean AND attends another rehab (which he attended), and if he's met the other conditions, his application will be reviewed with the assumption that he'll be reinstated. Think about it. Why would he attend another rehab stint? He just went earlier this year. There's been zero indication of poor behavior or failure to adhere to rules, other than speculation that he didn't do something right in August (nothing confirmed). And like the article said, there's no timetable for decisions on applications. It could literally take 30 minutes.
Look, the NFL wants to help Gordon. They want a good story showing they are compassionate and they want to help people. The NFL has enough negative press right now, and they know it. If Gordon truly is sober and he truly has done what was asked, then he has a shot. What would be the reason to keep him suspended? To punish? To prove a point? It literally doesn't make sense. Josh has made his bed, we get it, but at some point the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Jesus Christ the man smokes weed for crying loud. Here in Florida you can get a dang prescription for it, and it's far safer than any opioid pain killer.
You wanna talk about a shot in the arm? You want to see a WR who can win one on one match ups? Someone who can get deep or get yards after the catch? Give me Josh Gordon, Myles Garrett, Jamie Collins, and Danny Shelton, and then give me Corey Coleman back and let's see this team.
And switch out Kizer for Hogan and we'll have ourselves a CONTENDER!
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I mean, the season is a quarter of the way over with, so if there's any hope of getting this thing done, it'd have to be done NOW. The only thing I can think of is that the NFL and Gordon could POSSIBLY have an arrangement, in that Josh continues to stay clean AND attends another rehab (which he attended), and if he's met the other conditions, his application will be reviewed with the assumption that he'll be reinstated. Think about it. Why would he attend another rehab stint? He just went earlier this year. There's been zero indication of poor behavior or failure to adhere to rules, other than speculation that he didn't do something right in August (nothing confirmed). And like the article said, there's no timetable for decisions on applications. It could literally take 30 minutes.
Look, the NFL wants to help Gordon. They want a good story showing they are compassionate and they want to help people. The NFL has enough negative press right now, and they know it. If Gordon truly is sober and he truly has done what was asked, then he has a shot. What would be the reason to keep him suspended? To punish? To prove a point? It literally doesn't make sense. Josh has made his bed, we get it, but at some point the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Jesus Christ the man smokes weed for crying loud. Here in Florida you can get a dang prescription for it, and it's far safer than any opioid pain killer.
You wanna talk about a shot in the arm? You want to see a WR who can win one on one match ups? Someone who can get deep or get yards after the catch? Give me Josh Gordon, Myles Garrett, Jamie Collins, and Danny Shelton, and then give me Corey Coleman back and let's see this team.
And switch out Kizer for Hogan and we'll have ourselves a CONTENDER!
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I'm as frustrated with Kizer (at times) as anybody, but even I understand it's going to take a lot of time, and even more patience. I knew it going into the season, and sometimes DURING the season I seem to be forgetting this fact, but now that I'm calm, I realize we need to give the guy time. The bigger issue is we need to give him WEAPONS, and I'm not sure we're going to be able to accomplish that. We can speculate all day long about Gordon, but I'm guessing the smart money is on Gordon never playing a down for us, right? Believe me, I WANT him back, and it APPEARS he has a chance, but our front office needs to make something else happen. Other teams completely realize we're desperate, so that might be holding up some possible trades. I've read a few times that the Fins want to move Landry...well...let's figure out a way to grab him.
The most torturous aspect of Gordon being suspended is thinking about what "could have been" this year if we had him. I don't ever see Coleman as being a legit "#1 WR Threat" in the NFL, BUT I do see him as being an awesome #2 guy. Somebody who can get 1000 yards and make the tough catches. Perhaps a nasty slot WR who puts a ton of pressure on the middle of the field. But for him to truly reach his maximum potential, Coleman needs that #1 guy to open up the field, stretch it vertically, remove the other team's top CB. If we had Gordon and Coleman out there together, it'd be pretty nasty. As it stands, we literally don't have a single WR who can consistently win on press-man coverage, and it's killing our young QB. I'm sure this article is posted somewhere on the forum, but I'll post it below to illustrate some frustrations that many of us have about Kizer, and also some we have with Hue's play-calling.
On the first play, watch how Kizer does a wonderful job eluding pressure, and then gets to the outside, which forces the defense to come to him. It's going ok, but Kizer doesn't keep his head up and COMPLETELY MISSES a wide open Telfer. A good pass goes for 30 yards, and mediocre pass which stops Telfer probably nets 20. It would've started the game out on a super high note, something we haven't done IN FOREVER. But instead, Kizer doesn't see him, and just runs for 3 yards or so. After the Britt penalty (I mean, REALLY?!) we have a 3rd and 8, and everyone and their grandmother knows the pressure is coming. As we all said, the Bengals front 7 would be a force, so what does Hue Jackson draw up on 3rd and 8? He draws up deep routes for basically everybody, which will ALL take forever to develop. Absolutely NOTHING to the middle of the field. Nothing. Kizer gets hit basically before anybody gets their route completed....and take a look at the middle of the field. This is what drives people crazy about Hue Jackson right now. Why would you call a play that takes forever to develop when you know Cincy has a tough front 7 and they'll be coming for blood?
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It is a bit curious he hasn't applied yet. Perhaps he's also trying to get his paternity issue ironed out to further demonstrate his taking on adult responsibility. Honestly whether Hue / Sashi want to bring him back or not I think cutting him if reinstated would cause a mass fan exodus.
Cutting a guy who has done everything to sabotage his own football career, since the day he enrolled in college to today would be the straw that broke the camel's back concerning Browns fans and their loyalty to this franchise?
Cutting a guy who has done everything to sabotage his own football career, since the day he enrolled in college to today would be the straw that broke the camel's back concerning Browns fans and their loyalty to this franchise?
I did not defend his poor decisions. Having said that I do think he has been scrutinized and penalized more than others. Aside from that yes I stand by what I said. This team is completely devoid of talent at the WR position. Gordon is a top 5 talent and its my belief he can step back on the field and within a few games be right back at that level. IF he has done everything asked of him he needs to be back on the field for us. There are a large mass of fans who believe that his weed transgressions don't matter (myself not included) and a large group who believe he belongs back on our team if hes fulfilled what was asked of him. Add those two together and yes I believe that is a majority of fans that would be outraged if he were to be cut or traded upon reinstatement.
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If I understand the rules and his circumsatnce correctly, then Josh needs 6 games as an active to accrue this season... and be a 2018 FA.
Six games would be pushing it to flash some of the old "Flash" and improve his FA payday... especially in light of the credibility/availability deficit he's running, but that might be part of the calculation. Another part of which being that he wouldn't have to flash much to standout from this WR corps.
Timing might be aimed at our BYE week and its added practice time following the London game, our season's midway point. But given Roger's past propensity to drag his feet... butt... knuckles... when it comes to decisions on Josh, that would be cutting it close.
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And if the Browns are smart they will communicate that to Roger so he does NOT bring him back with 6 games to go. Shmuck Gordon if that's his plan. Force him to come pay back part of what he owes this team.
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And if the Browns are smart they will communicate that to Roger so he does NOT bring him back with 6 games to go. Shmuck Gordon if that's his plan. Force him to come pay back part of what he owes this team.
And if the Browns are smart they will communicate that to Roger so he does NOT bring him back with 6 games to go. Shmuck Gordon if that's his plan. Force him to come pay back part of what he owes this team.
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To continue the guessing game, I'm assuming Gordon hasn't reapplied yet because he doesn't have an agent, and he's busy getting the application documentation together. I would think the application isn't as simple as filling out a small form and faxing it to Roger. I'm thinking the application needs a butt-load of supporting documentation, such as medical records, therapy notes, character affirmations, and lord knows what else. All of this would be difficult to compile for a guy with no agent, and you know Josh wants to have every scrap of supporting info ready to send before he finally gives the app to the NFL.
I'm guessing we'll know either way before the end of the month. That would give him more than a month out of rehab, and if he keeps his nose clean for that duration (figuratively and literally btw), I'm betting the NFL grants him permission to play. The only reason they wouldn't let him play is if there's something we don't know about. As it stands right now, the guy is battling a serious disease/condition. Very few people facing addiction get it right the first time, or even the 4th time. It takes repeated efforts combined with support and proper medical/therapeutic practices for any success to last.
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For some reason he doesn't seem that motivated by financial gain. If he was it seems like it would have been pretty easy to stay away from the pipe long enough to make some Millions. Now if we are to assume that marijuana is not actually addictive, which his case would tend to belie, we have to understand he lived a comparatively Frugal life since being booted so a small payday might be enough? He might just be mentally unsound. Otoh he might be ready for a comeback. A cheap gamble for us either way. How much worse could it be than Sammie Coates?
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And if the Browns are smart they will communicate that to Roger so he does NOT bring him back with 6 games to go. Shmuck Gordon if that's his plan. Force him to come pay back part of what he owes this team.
And if the Browns are smart they will communicate that to Roger so he does NOT bring him back with 6 games to go. Shmuck Gordon if that's his plan. Force him to come pay back part of what he owes this team.
What exactlyin $$$ terms does "he owe" this team? He's only been paid for his active time.
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And if the Browns are smart they will communicate that to Roger so he does NOT bring him back with 6 games to go. Shmuck Gordon if that's his plan. Force him to come pay back part of what he owes this team.
What exactlyin $$$ terms does "he owe" this team? He's only been paid for his active time.
What exactlyin $$$ terms does "he owe" this team? He's only been paid for his active time.
He owes this team for wasted roster space filled by lessor players and potential change in draft priorities when he was counted on as the #1 wr. $$$ no but when that kind of talent that could have helped this team immensely ends up hurting the franchise, then it costs in many ways that cannot be quantified.
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Gordon doesn't count to anybody. He's a wildcard. You might get him, you might not. This F.O. for damn sure doesn't count on him, they won't even say his name. They burnt a first rounder on Corey Coleman and drafted 3 more WRs AND they've brought in talent from FA, they could have kept Terrel Pryor, they CHOOSE Kenny Britt. They had a chance to get Dorial Green Beckham... they are not counting on Josh Gordon and probably just want the chance to trade him for a 3rd round pick. For pete's sake they just paid 16 million dollars for a second round pick.
If they were smart, which I'm starting to think they could be one of those, "too smart for their own good", kinda types, they would do whatever it took to keep Josh happy and mentally heathy. Because, let's face it, they are good at getting the numbers but they have to think about chemistry. Quit looking at numbers and look with at the situation with your 'eyes'...
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