Josh Gordon
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Gordon doesn't count to anybody. He's a wildcard. You might get him, you might not. This F.O. for damn sure doesn't count on him, they won't even say his name. They burnt a first rounder on Corey Coleman and drafted 3 more WRs AND they've brought in talent from FA, they could have kept Terrel Pryor, they CHOOSE Kenny Britt. They had a chance to get Dorial Green Beckham... they are not counting on Josh Gordon and probably just want the chance to trade him for a 3rd round pick. For pete's sake they just paid 16 million dollars for a second round pick.
If they were smart, which I'm starting to think they could be one of those, "too smart for their own good", kinda types, they would do whatever it took to keep Josh happy and mentally heathy. Because, let's face it, they are good at getting the numbers but they have to think about chemistry. Quit looking at numbers and look with at the situation with your 'eyes'...
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Gordon doesn't count to anybody. He's a wildcard. You might get him, you might not. This F.O. for damn sure doesn't count on him, they won't even say his name. They burnt a first rounder on Corey Coleman and drafted 3 more WRs AND they've brought in talent from FA, they could have kept Terrel Pryor, they CHOOSE Kenny Britt. They had a chance to get Dorial Green Beckham... they are not counting on Josh Gordon and probably just want the chance to trade him for a 3rd round pick. For pete's sake they just paid 16 million dollars for a second round pick.
If they were smart, which I'm starting to think they could be one of those, "too smart for their own good", kinda types, they would do whatever it took to keep Josh happy and mentally heathy. Because, let's face it, they are good at getting the numbers but they have to think about chemistry. Quit looking at numbers and look with at the situation with your 'eyes'...
Gordon doesn't count to anybody. He's a wildcard. You might get him, you might not. This F.O. for damn sure doesn't count on him, they won't even say his name. They burnt a first rounder on Corey Coleman and drafted 3 more WRs AND they've brought in talent from FA, they could have kept Terrel Pryor, they CHOOSE Kenny Britt. They had a chance to get Dorial Green Beckham... they are not counting on Josh Gordon and probably just want the chance to trade him for a 3rd round pick. For pete's sake they just paid 16 million dollars for a second round pick.
If they were smart, which I'm starting to think they could be one of those, "too smart for their own good", kinda types, they would do whatever it took to keep Josh happy and mentally heathy. Because, let's face it, they are good at getting the numbers but they have to think about chemistry. Quit looking at numbers and look with at the situation with your 'eyes'...
Absolutely.
The Browns should bend over backwards to make sure a player who has done everything to sabotage his own career is happy.
That makes perfect sense. Enabling someone always works.
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Gordon doesn't count to anybody. He's a wildcard. You might get him, you might not. This F.O. for damn sure doesn't count on him, they won't even say his name. They burnt a first rounder on Corey Coleman and drafted 3 more WRs AND they've brought in talent from FA, they could have kept Terrel Pryor, they CHOOSE Kenny Britt. They had a chance to get Dorial Green Beckham... they are not counting on Josh Gordon and probably just want the chance to trade him for a 3rd round pick. For pete's sake they just paid 16 million dollars for a second round pick.
If they were smart, which I'm starting to think they could be one of those, "too smart for their own good", kinda types, they would do whatever it took to keep Josh happy and mentally heathy. Because, let's face it, they are good at getting the numbers but they have to think about chemistry. Quit looking at numbers and look with at the situation with your 'eyes'...
Absolutely.
The Browns should bend over backwards to make sure a player who has done everything to sabotage his own career is happy.
That makes perfect sense. Enabling someone always works.
That remains to be seen...
As for Josh's responsibility "for wasted roster space filled by lessor players, etc.," I did not realize he was our "secret GM".
Absolutely.
The Browns should bend over backwards to make sure a player who has done everything to sabotage his own career is happy.
That makes perfect sense. Enabling someone always works.
"The sarcasm is strong in this one" - Darth Brownie
There's a middle ground... not counting on, but willing to accept whatever contributions he can make... and that's where I see our FO.
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I agree. I wouldn't EVER "count on" Gordon, but the way our WR's look right now, we'd be idiots not to consider the guy IF he's ever eligible again. Yeah, we all know it's a giant "if", but c'mon...Gordon could legitimately change the offense, and that's not an overstatement. What does a guy like Gordon do for our young QB? Substitute Gordon for Britt this year, and does Gordon make those catches instead of either dropping them or causing a dang INT?
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I agree. I wouldn't EVER "count on" Gordon, but the way our WR's look right now, we'd be idiots not to consider the guy IF he's ever eligible again. Yeah, we all know it's a giant "if", but c'mon...Gordon could legitimately change the offense, and that's not an overstatement. What does a guy like Gordon do for our young QB? Substitute Gordon for Britt this year, and does Gordon make those catches instead of either dropping them or causing a dang INT?
Substitute Gordon for Britt this year, and does Gordon make those catches instead of either dropping them or causing a dang INT?
It's been so long that we can't be sure.......but I'd be willing to bet (a small sum) that he couldn't be any worse than Britt.
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Substitute Gordon for Britt this year, and does Gordon make those catches instead of either dropping them or causing a dang INT?
It's been so long that we can't be sure.......but I'd be willing to bet (a small sum) that he couldn't be any worse than Britt.
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I mean, the season is a quarter of the way over with, so if there's any hope of getting this thing done, it'd have to be done NOW. The only thing I can think of is that the NFL and Gordon could POSSIBLY have an arrangement, in that Josh continues to stay clean AND attends another rehab (which he attended), and if he's met the other conditions, his application will be reviewed with the assumption that he'll be reinstated. Think about it. Why would he attend another rehab stint? He just went earlier this year. There's been zero indication of poor behavior or failure to adhere to rules, other than speculation that he didn't do something right in August (nothing confirmed). And like the article said, there's no timetable for decisions on applications. It could literally take 30 minutes.
Look, the NFL wants to help Gordon. They want a good story showing they are compassionate and they want to help people. The NFL has enough negative press right now, and they know it. If Gordon truly is sober and he truly has done what was asked, then he has a shot. What would be the reason to keep him suspended? To punish? To prove a point? It literally doesn't make sense. Josh has made his bed, we get it, but at some point the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Jesus Christ the man smokes weed for crying loud. Here in Florida you can get a dang prescription for it, and it's far safer than any opioid pain killer.
You wanna talk about a shot in the arm? You want to see a WR who can win one on one match ups? Someone who can get deep or get yards after the catch? Give me Josh Gordon, Myles Garrett, Jamie Collins, and Danny Shelton, and then give me Corey Coleman back and let's see this team.
And switch out Kizer for Hogan and we'll have ourselves a CONTENDER!
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Hogan did not get beat out.
It's more like watching a High School football team with the better QB sitting on the bench while the coach's kid stinks it up.
Hue is digging his own grave, game by game. When he finally says uncle and Hogan steps in and we start winning, Hue's not going to be able to say, "I had no idea Hogan could play that well". He is pretty much dead in the water either way... Unless, after Kizer blows this next game Hue finally admits that it's time to win.
I just cannot see what Hue is seeing. I mean what does the guy have against Hogan?
BTW- What is the holdup on Josh Gordon? I don't believe the "report" that says that he hasn't reapplied. Who would have given that information anyway?
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Hogan did not get beat out.
It's more like watching a High School football team with the better QB sitting on the bench while the coach's kid stinks it up.
Hue is digging his own grave, game by game. When he finally says uncle and Hogan steps in and we start winning, Hue's not going to be able to say, "I had no idea Hogan could play that well". He is pretty much dead in the water either way... Unless, after Kizer blows this next game Hue finally admits that it's time to win.
I just cannot see what Hue is seeing. I mean what does the guy have against Hogan?
BTW- What is the holdup on Josh Gordon? I don't believe the "report" that says that he hasn't reapplied. Who would have given that information anyway?
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While Hogan has looked decent, he has not faced any teams #1's while he's been in. With the Sheet show supporting cast, he would probably fare no better than kizer.
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Uhm, TD that's not true. Hogan put up the only 10 points that we scored on the Ravens.
Actually Hogan scored ALL of the points that we got in both game 2 and game 4.
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So Josh Gordon's released a mini-documentary (on LeBron's Uninterrupted channel) about his substance abuse which coincides with his application for reinstatement. Sucks up to Goodell for a quick decision ( my words not his). Word on the street is that even if he's reinstated he'll still face a 4 game suspension.
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So Josh Gordon's released a mini-documentary (on LeBron's Uninterrupted channel) about his substance abuse which coincides with his application for reinstatement. Sucks up to Goodell for a quick decision ( my words not his). Word on the street is that even if he's reinstated he'll still face a 4 game suspension.
So Josh Gordon's released a mini-documentary (on LeBron's Uninterrupted channel) about his substance abuse which coincides with his application for reinstatement. Sucks up to Goodell for a quick decision ( my words not his). Word on the street is that even if he's reinstated he'll still face a 4 game suspension.
Which is dumb.. Dude should be let back in without a suspension..
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I hope Gordon has already gone through the only "hitting bottom" experience that he'll have. Not every addict will have only one.. so at this point it's just a hope. But for many, the moment of hitting bottom is required for them to stop the enabling/thinking it's all OK.
If he continues to choose to stay sober, he might have a few years left in the NFL. If not, good riddance.
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Alright... here's my prediction and teased conspiracy theory on Josh's return...
Drum roll, please.
Prediction: Josh will be reinstated Week 13
The Theory: A Week 13 return means Josh will only be eligible for 5 games and thus not accrue 2017 towards FA.
I'll admit that I am not the most well versed on all the current CBA's rules regrading FA eligibility, but I believe his one-game, Week 17 suspension by the team was overturned on appeal by the NFLPA. The suspension was a fairly transparent effort to keep his rights for an additional year under the same accrual rule mentioned above.
Anyway... I think Roger owes us one (at least) and I think a delay until Week 13 is payback.
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Gordon needs to get a job.
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