Josh Gordon

Flugel

@nickers said:
Tom, I understand what your saying.. When I look at how poor our receiving core is , I cringe.. I'm not sniping at ya any.. I think I just asked a valid question.. Look at it like this...Your Josh.. and you see Martavis Bryant and LeVeon Bell getting pollyanna treatment...They're all just as guilty.. How in the hell would you feel...???

Thanks! You probably know more than anyone how much of a problem I've always had with the NFL using just random testing as well as their use of outdated and inexpensive tests for a multi-billion $ industry crying too poor to do it right. Having said that, what I don't know is if the Players Association is also largely responsible for it only being random testing at this point.

I'm hoping like Hell Gordon is way past taking inventory of who is getting caught vrs who isn't. If not, I guess I'd stoop to being glad Martavis Bryant has missed a lot of football to suspensions too. My hope is he shouldn't give a shit about Bell at this point; because Gordon is the one with the football career at the edge of the plank right now. Time to put the recreational drug/drugs aside for a few years and play ball at the next green light -or- push the football career off the plank once and for all.

I just moved to Florida and had to pass a drug test for the company that hired me. I also agreed to follow the rules about drug use/etc for a much smaller salary than an elite NFL football player. It was as easy as breathing my man. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my fraternity days and still enjoy going to tailgates/road trips. There just comes a time in life when you gotta put family first (starting with prioritizing your career that takes care of them) even if some of the rules seem silly.

jk081965

I think that if JG hadn't gotten into trouble until he'd had three years in the league under his belt AND he was with one of the leagues pet teams (Patriots, Cowboys, etc) that can do whatever they like and just get a slap on the wrist, he would have been back playing two years ago. But since he plays for the Browns, I honestly don't see him ever being reinstated unless we trade him to the Patriots, and then he would be reinstated within a month or so. Just sayin...

miktoxic

uh josh was busted in college coming into the league with bad piss tests. great athletic ability but dumb on our part to have drafted him in the first part.

he'll end up just like wr blackmon. fucking smoking blunts on his old assed rickety trailer park porch and dranking purple drank and taking adderrall.

hoorta

@boo-fagley said:

Gordon might get 1 last chance being 26 years old.

I could see him playing this season after begging on his hands and knees for reinstatement and maybe sitting out some games. Its a damn shame a player so damn talented has really brought this all down on himself allowing the NFL to make an example of him. Once in the NFL substance program you randomly get tested at will with just so many hours to give a sample. Missing a test is the same as testing positive.

I'm not counting on him ever coming back. The problem I have is he could have been reinstated this past spring- but he wasn't. There had to be a reason. Not just we're not done screwing you over Josh. Even if he does get reinstated, he'll have missed 4 games at least. How much will he be able to do? Act as a decoy and run fly patterns?

mjp28

@comeonman said:
He's been fucked, no doubt. But he's also fucked himself and us. Time to move on folks.

And you wonder what the shelf life is on players sitting out of the NFL really is, when do his tools start to diminish.

And why does Josh want back in? Here's a hint, minimum wage, well not our minimum wage exactly :

Each year the NFL minimum salaries increase by $15,000, up to $465,000 for a rookie in 2017. A players minimum salary is determined by his years of experience (YOE), ranging from 0 to 10 or more. The chart below shows the minimum (P5) salaries a team can contract a player to based on Years of Experience (credited seasons).

Yrs. 2017 2018 2019

0 $465,000 $480,000 $495,000

1 $540,000 $555,000 $570,000

2 $615,000 $630,000 $645,000

3 $690,000 $705,000 $720,000

4-6 $775,000 $790,000 $805,000

7-9 $900,000 $915,000 $930,000

10+ $1,000,000 $1,015,000 $1,030,000

https://www.spotrac.com/blog/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2017/

For more on salaries, benefits, etc.

DieHardBrownsFan

Tour2ma

Minimum wage???

@nickers said:

Yeah.. Haden smokes more dope than all of them and hasnt got caught...

While giving guys like Ndamakah Suh and Ray Rice a pat on the ass.. Shoot Me!...

Hard to pat Rice on his ass since he's been sitting for years now...

As for Haden... he, and every player not in the "Substances of Abuse Program", know they need only stay clean for 2-3 months a year leading into their August test period and be discrete the rest of the year, and they are golden.

calfoxwc

I just don't care anymore about the lonesome loser gordon.

gumby73

what happens in the minimum wage chart when your paying for one maternity case playing, than gain another maternity case while suspended? Judge G I P P E R? (how many ways can you spell Loser)

The Gipper

I'm hoping like Hell Gordon is way past taking inventory of who is getting caught vrs who isn't. If not, I guess I'd stoop to being glad Martavis Bryant has missed a lot of football to suspensions too. My hope is he shouldn't give a shit about Bell at this point; because Gordon is the one with the football career at the edge of the plank right now. Time to put the recreational drug/drugs aside for a few years and play ball at the next green light -or- push the football career off the plank once and for all.

I doubt that Gordon is paying attention to it. You are right, He should not be. No....It is WE...the fans who are paying attention to it and pointing out the inequity of it.

hoorta

@mjp28 said:

And you wonder what the shelf life is on players sitting out of the NFL really is, when do his tools start to diminish.

And why does Josh want back in? Here's a hint, minimum wage, well not our minimum wage exactly :

Each year the NFL minimum salaries increase by $15,000, up to $465,000 for a rookie in 2017. A players minimum salary is determined by his years of experience (YOE), ranging from 0 to 10 or more. The chart below shows the minimum (P5) salaries a team can contract a player to based on Years of Experience (credited seasons).

Yrs. 2017 2018 2019

0 $465,000 $480,000 $495,000

1 $540,000 $555,000 $570,000

2 $615,000 $630,000 $645,000

3 $690,000 $705,000 $720,000

4-6 $775,000 $790,000 $805,000

7-9 $900,000 $915,000 $930,000

10+ $1,000,000 $1,015,000 $1,030,000

https://www.spotrac.com/blog/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2017/

For more on salaries, benefits, etc.

Not so much diminished skills- but not knowing a damn thing about the playbook.

BUT- while he's suspended- Josh isn't accruing years of service. I'll let you guys decipher this: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/josh-gordon-11012/

I think he's maybe @ 3 years- might be 2, I remember there was a flap way back when the suspension kicked in about accrued years of service. If he doesn't get reinstated until the end of September- He'll forfeit around $66,700 for each game he's missed. A lot of working stiffs would take that for a year.

And in the unlikely event he does see the field this year- looking at the RFA rules- the Browns would probably put an original round tender on him (second round). Way cheaper than 1st round tender- $1.8 as opposed to $3.9 million. I'm sure the Browns have the heebie-jeebees guaranteeing Josh that kind of money, considering his past history. If they want 4 second round picks in the 2018 draft, that would be the way to go.

gumby73

@boo-fagley said:

I believe that Goodell will let him come back this season. The NFLPA will have a say in this. IMO, Goodell will make Gordon show him just how bad he wants a job in the NFL this time. The no vote back this spring may have been to keep Gordon on the straight and narrow until the season starts.

Goodell wants to look good in the eyes of the players. A rehabilitated Gordon would be a success story.

Boo, Honestly Roger should be just as pist-off as most Browns Fans are. He made Josh the first suspended player to walk with his teammates hoping it would make a difference.He F'd him too. The NFLPA has not said peeps about it & stand behind Roger on it imo. Frank-fully Josh probably can't pay a agent at this time nor does Josh even qualify as a NFLPA member? Josh was in & out of a drug & alcohol rehab in under 3 weeks..That's not going to fly imho.. Meanwhile to the non-million-narries in the house..even Josh at some point has been here

Orion

Roger GoToHell is an ass. I hate him.

But Josh Gordon is an ass too.

He has let every one of us Browns fans down. REPEATEDLY!

Josh made conscious decisions. And those decisions let us Browns fans (and team-mates) down.

I'm done feeling sorry for Josh. He and Roger GoToHell deserve each other.

miktoxic

@orion said:

Roger GoToHell is an ass. I hate him.

But Josh Gordon is an ass too.

He has let every one of us Browns fans down. REPEATEDLY!

Josh made conscious decisions. And those decisions let us Browns fans (and team-mates) down.

I'm done feeling sorry for Josh. He and Roger GoToHell deserve each other.

goodell is a yes man for the owners. so hate him. hate the owners and what do you have left?

no football.

and why are we all here? football.

rules and regs in everything you do in life. sorry you haven't grasped that concept yet.

TexasAg1969

mik

calfoxwc

@orion said:

Roger GoToHell is an ass. I hate him.

But Josh Gordon is an ass too.

He has let every one of us Browns fans down. REPEATEDLY!

Josh made conscious decisions. And those decisions let us Browns fans (and team-mates) down.

I'm done feeling sorry for Josh. He and Roger GoToHell deserve each other.

Exactly.

Orion

@miktoxic said:

goodell is a yes man for the owners. so hate him. hate the owners and what do you have left?

no football.

and why are we all here? football.

rules and regs in everything you do in life. sorry you haven't grasped that concept yet.

Have you followed Roger GoToHell's rulings at all?

How 'bout the one where the player punched the lights out of his girlfriend in the elevator and then dragged her out by her hair....and GoToHell said that the player told him that he was sorry and that everything is ok now. THEN, the video comes out and all hell breaks loose and GoToHell has to change his stance because of all of the media backlash.

I have to assume that you do not follow some of GoToHell's rulings.

Flugel

@gumby73 said:
Boo, Honestly Roger should be just as pist-off as most Browns Fans are. He made Josh the first suspended player to walk with his teammates hoping it would make a difference.He F'd him too. The NFLPA has not said peeps about it & stand behind Roger on it imo. Frank-fully Josh probably can't pay a agent at this time nor does Josh even qualify as a NFLPA member? Josh was in & out of a drug & alcohol rehab in under 3 weeks..That's not going to fly imho.. Meanwhile to the non-million-narries in the house..even Josh at some point has been here

Great post! We still have people posting "poor Josh only got suspended for marijuana once" and players in the random population probably smoke more than Josh.

All it ever took to understand why this "poor Josh" is where he is today began with a look at his entry into the NFL with a prerequisite of understanding the background of how he needed to be drafted (and why that was different from the draftees that didn't get kicked off their college programs twice as well as testing positive in the next college program he never got on the field for). And before all that, why Baylor remained the only interested major D-I college in such an elite football talent coming out of high school.

There's appropriate lyrics from the 70s that sum up why Josh is where he is now that go "how long - has this been going on?" But, Gordon has always been great at getting people to fall for a sincerity that he loves football so much, he's going to learn from it this time. So, this very EVIL NFL said - "okay, we'll give you options/choices so you can make good on how serious you'll take it." And the one "poor Josh" picked and agreed to was to begin in the NFL Substance Abuse program, meaning no beers with teammates plus on-going testing at any time. This also meant a 1st positive test for anything was a suspension unlike draftees/players that began/kept their careers in the random testing population.

Our favorite team and much of our fan-base (including/especially me at the beginning of his golden opportunity) bought that sincerity, hook-line and sinker. 5 years later there's still guys in here arguing tooth and nail that it's only pot or he's only tested positive for pot once (please disregard the creeps he keeps though) and it's not fair that other people get away with recreational drug use because they aren't tested as often.

In the end, Josh Gordon is just another Johnny Manziel only this version had elite NFL talent. If you were against Manziel's putting partying before football - Josh Gordon is Johnny Manziel Cubed. Let's hope he took his rehab a little more serious because this "poor Josh" that never seems to get any chances will probably get another chance to pass piss tests; so that he can play this game of football he allegedly loves so much to prioritize all throughout both college programs and his first 5 years in the NFL. Stay tuned...

mjp28

@boo-fagley said:

Gordon can apply to Goodell again this fall. Goodell will let him back in just watch.

Its says that Gordon wont be a FA until 2018. That means Gordon is still in the NFL and in the NFLPA. http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/8282/josh-gordon

You wonder if this soap opera is going to continue and for how long?

From that Roto link.....

Josh Gordon - WR - Browns

ESPN's Josina Anderson reports suspended WR Josh Gordon's agent "terminated their relationship" roughly two weeks ago.

It could be a sign that Gordon isn't putting forth his best efforts to get back into the NFL despite applying for reinstatement in March. On Thursday, it was revealed the league has denied his petition to return to the league. This could be the end of the line for the 26-year-old. It may finally be safe to cut Gordon in Dynasty leagues. He's never going to be what he was.

Source: Josina Anderson on Twitter ......May 11 - 12:41 PM

jiggins7919

I promised not to comment on Gordon until we had concrete information about his situation, so I'll keep this brief.

I completely believe our team would much rather move on from Gordon, but we're in a curious position. We may need to swallow our pride and wait this out because we're so thin at WR talent, and we all know what Josh can do if he ever gets on the field. Problem is, even IF Josh is allowed back into the league, the chances of him actually navigating the strict conditions of his reinstatement are pretty damn low. He'd be tested 100 times a week, and who knows if he's really gotten clean. I think the NFL knows they kind of screwed up with Gordon, and if you look at what he's actually done, it's not that bad. We're not talking about some guy who is a menace to society here, we're talking about a guy with a substance abuse problem. He's not taking steroids for an advantage, he's not beating up people at bars, he's not some jerk his teammates can't stand (just guessing, could be wrong), and the only awful thing he's done is drive while intoxicated. That's something that can really hurt someone, but thankfully nothing happened other than the arrest.

I root for Josh, as I root for all people who battle substance abuse. Please keep in mind that nobody wakes up and WANTS to be an addict. They don't WANT to be a huge disappointment. Is Josh responsible for his actions? Of course he is, but it doesn't mean he's a terrible person.