Be honest, How does everybody feel about Brock as a starter
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Except, as noted above, we have seen him also play where he does not suck.
Once upon a time qbs took 3-5 years to develop. Look at Brian Sipe.
Today....they don't want to give QBs that long....but the fact is some really DO need that long. Yes, for some they never make it.
But as far as the Big B.O. the jury is out. I just know that we have Kizer and a shitload of draft picks that could work for us.
(and sure...who knows, Kessler, a Sipe clone more or less, may be one of the guys that needs the 3-5 years.
The "not suck" is far outweighed by the "suck", however. He wasn't really good in Denver, either. He had two games with over a 100 rating, and the rest were in the low 70s - low 80s range.
For all but two of his career starts, he's been pretty average.
Regardless, none of this matters because he's only getting the start so that Kizer will get more snaps in this game against backups in order to boost his confidence. That's how you correctly groom a rookie QB.
The "not suck" is far outweighed by the "suck", however. He wasn't really good in Denver, either. He had two games with over a 100 rating, and the rest were in the low 70s - low 80s range.
For all but two of his career starts, he's been pretty average.
Regardless, none of this matters because he's only getting the start so that Kizer will get more snaps in this game against backups in order to boost his confidence. That's how you correctly groom a rookie QB.
OK, if he is only there to groom a rookie QB, I am fine with that. But I am still going to judge what he does with the Cleveland Browns.......not on whatever he may have done elsewhere.
I mean, look at it this way: at one time you really sucked swamp water as a poster on this board, but you have improved over the last few years. So, you see, it can happen!!
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LOL!
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I'm ok with Brock. We've started worse and we all know it.
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The "not suck" is far outweighed by the "suck", however. He wasn't really good in Denver, either. He had two games with over a 100 rating, and the rest were in the low 70s - low 80s range.
For all but two of his career starts, he's been pretty average.
Regardless, none of this matters because he's only getting the start so that Kizer will get more snaps in this game against backups in order to boost his confidence. That's how you correctly groom a rookie QB.
OK, if he is only there to groom a rookie QB, I am fine with that. But I am still going to judge what he does with the Cleveland Browns.......not on whatever he may have done elsewhere.
I mean, look at it this way: at one time you really sucked swamp water as a poster on this board, but you have improved over the last few years. So, you see, it can happen!!
OK, if he is only there to groom a rookie QB, I am fine with that. But I am still going to judge what he does with the Cleveland Browns.......not on whatever he may have done elsewhere.
I mean, look at it this way: at one time you really sucked swamp water as a poster on this board, but you have improved over the last few years. So, you see, it can happen!!
And, just like most of your claims, the stats don't back that up.
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This all depends on how you look at things. If you are driven by enthusiasm and positive thinking, if your love for the Browns is what grills your sausage, then your M.O. is pretty straight forward, and I don't mean this to be insulting. However, this kind of a fan, which is probably 80 - 90% of the folks here, are not going to let their enjoyment and anticipation for a great year to be squashed.
As such, the support for Brock is understood. I don't share it, but I respect it and understand it.
If you are a fan like me, driven more by real-life experience, common sense and practical thinking, there are too many red flags in starting Brock to cause us optimism. Now, if you take your emotions out of this, not many will be able to, there are some very sound reasons to feel that starting Brock is not just the wrong decision, but also that it sheds a very strong negative light on the FO.
Here are what I believe should be red flags.
1) I am not interested in who is the best QB on the team right now. We should be focused on which QB can be the long-term QB. We should be focused on who WILL be the best down the road. That is the guy I want to see getting the bulk of the attention. Brock is not the best talent, he is merely the most experienced and will be seen as a better QB for not making rookie mistakes.
However, unless your rookie is allowed to make mistakes, he won't ever develop. A QB must be tried by fire, not by sitting on his ass and watching. Kizer should be getting all the focus. Not even debatable.
2) Starting Brock goes against the entire idea of building for the future, or rebuilding, or whatever you want to call it. Brock is 26. We weren't able to get him for chicken feed because he is a good prospect. Be sensible. When is the last time the Browns got the best of the 31 other NFL teams? When is the last time they jumped on a guy and found a real diamond in the rough?
People, this is the same thing with Brady Quinn. NOBODY wanted him. The odds that Brock changes his spots are the same as the odds that Whoopie Goldturd is going to give Meehan a boner. AssOiler holds on to the ball too, too, too fucking long. He is no better than Tim Couch and only marginally better than Kessler.
3) The choice of AssOiler brings Hue closer to his eventual firing. He is not an intelligent man and has created a QB quagmire. There is only a slim, slim, sliver of a chance that this will work out. If AssOiler is reborn and tears it up, Hue will gain accolades.
But that is not likely, because we know what the QB is. So, if he is average, or stinks it up, Hue brings in who? Kessler? OR Kizer, who will be unprepared and will be handed a team in shambles, a team with no familiarity with him. Disaster. There are so many reasons this decisions is fucked up I don't think TBB has enough bandwith to list them.
Look, if the fans believe you are building for the future, then you have understanding to put in the new guy, roll with it and let him attend the school of hard knocks. You work with him, go over his game, watch films, bring in supportive help, and you give him a chance to be THE guy.
Kizer is not going to get that. He is being judged NOT on potential, but by what he is right now, TODAY.
If you homers can't see how fucked up and self-defeating that is, the you really are fucked up yourselves. So you believe Brock IS THE GUY? Because that's is what starting him means. It means Kizer will never get the full monte. When and if he is brought in it will be because AssOiler is AssOiler.
EVEN WORSE............ AssOiler takes us to .500 and Kizer sits on the bench most or all year, or a big part of it. Then the kid comes in for a few games after AssOiler fucks things up again, like he always has, and BOOM.............. the Browns draft a QB in 2018 and Kizer never gets a real shot.
Look, Kizer was not my pick, but as the saying goes, if you got em, smoke em. Now, if you are telling me that you belive Brock AssOiler is worth not finding out what Kizer can become? Again, your sense of life, reality and football is really, really fucked up.
Hue did this exact same shit with Kessler. Just remember, you same fucktards who were talking about how smart it was to start RG3 and "mentor" Kessler, are now supporting the same shit Hue did last year.
For the love of a good ass fuck, people, RG3, Ass Oiler, Cutler..............these fucking people are not taking anyone, anywhere. Hue Jackson is cancer to the Browns. The only thing I hate more than this dumb motherfucker are even dumber motherfuckers who think that starting a guy who had his chance and was at best, Pagel, is the right guy to start tonight.
Un-fucking-believble.
This long post would be much more valid if Osweiler was named game one starter. As of now, though, he isnt. It's a preseason game and he'll be out in three or four drives, then Kizer will take over for probably two full quarters.
The starter of this game doesn't matter.
Kizer is still this team's future and Hue knows that. That's why he's going to be out there the longest, against mostly backups and maybe a scattered starter.
Right on the money. I feel like Kizer earned next weeks start. He held the ball a few times but overall seems to have it.This long post would be much more valid if Osweiler was named game one starter. As of now, though, he isnt. It's a preseason game and he'll be out in three or four drives, then Kizer will take over for probably two full quarters.
The starter of this game doesn't matter.
Kizer is still this team's future and Hue knows that. That's why he's going to be out there the longest, against mostly backups and maybe a scattered starter.
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The Ghoolie proof ALWAYS is in the playing.
Again, why do you play a fucking piece of shit like AssOiler when you have a young kid with UPSIDE.
AGAIN................. Hue shows that he is incapable of making the right choices with regards to the QB. Hue needs to be fired.
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Right on the money. I feel like Kizer earned next weeks start. He held the ball a few times but overall seems to have it.This long post would be much more valid if Osweiler was named game one starter. As of now, though, he isnt. It's a preseason game and he'll be out in three or four drives, then Kizer will take over for probably two full quarters.
The starter of this game doesn't matter.
Kizer is still this team's future and Hue knows that. That's why he's going to be out there the longest, against mostly backups and maybe a scattered starter.
Right on the money. I feel like Kizer earned next weeks start. He held the ball a few times but overall seems to have it.
Right on your mother cunt. Dude, what yu mean to say is..... GHOOLIE WAS RIGHT................... HUE WAS WRONG.
Ohhh Oooohh Ooooooooooh. now Kize earned he start
WHAT KIND OF AN DUMB COCKSUCKER MORTHERFUCKER even wastes time with Ass Oiler?
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Right on the money. I feel like Kizer earned next weeks start. He held the ball a few times but overall seems to have it.
Right on your mother cunt. Dude, what yu mean to say is..... GHOOLIE WAS RIGHT................... HUE WAS WRONG.
Ohhh Oooohh Ooooooooooh. now Kize earned he start
WHAT KIND OF AN DUMB COCKSUCKER MORTHERFUCKER even wastes time with Ass Oiler?
I really think they wanted him to play well enough for a possible trade to the Colts or RavensRight on your mother cunt. Dude, what yu mean to say is..... GHOOLIE WAS RIGHT................... HUE WAS WRONG.
Ohhh Oooohh Ooooooooooh. now Kize earned he start
WHAT KIND OF AN DUMB COCKSUCKER MORTHERFUCKER even wastes time with Ass Oiler?
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Hey Gip, if he was any good then he never would of been sent here. They would of kept a good qb not trade 1
Lots of QBs got traded, let go etc. and did well after not being so great the first time around. Ever hear of Brett Favre? Len Dawson? Jim Plunkett? Ron Jaworski? John Unitas? Sonny Jurgenson? Tobin Rote? Fran Tarkenton? Drew Brees? Brad Johnson? Steve Young? --it happens.
Lots of QBs got traded, let go etc. and did well after not being so great the first time around. Ever hear of Brett Favre? Len Dawson? Jim Plunkett? Ron Jaworski? John Unitas? Sonny Jurgenson? Tobin Rote? Fran Tarkenton? Drew Brees? Brad Johnson? Steve Young? --it happens.
What about Doug Williams?
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I've seen enough of Brock Osweler the last two years and think he is not even mediocre. He's had a few good moments for example, the win against the Patriots in the snow. But when he started for the Texans he stunk! He had arguably one of the best receivers DeAndre Hopkins, Will Fuller and a decent running game but he looked horrible all year.
I don't think he's our future and hope the Browns will finally make a commitment to Kizer this year. What do we have to lose? I'm not interested in the Brian Hoyer- Josh McCown veteran bridge gap approach that hasn't worked. It's a waste of time for the players and the fans.
I think it's time to play your rookies and let them develop chemistry that pays off in the near future.
Kizer has more upside, hes younger, better athlete, and he should be the starter.
Give the fans something to be excited about after years of poor drafts, give us something better than Osweiler and do it now! Other teams are starting rookies, what's wrong with starting Kizer?
Believe me he's light years better than Kessler, Osweiler, Hogan (which isn't saying much) but at least we will know if he's our guy before the 2018 draft.
If he stinks then next year's draft is QB loaded. But he doesn't stink and is a natural born leader.
Kizer
Now go watch the Bears game and tell me they're not going to start Trubisky come the regular season. Trubisky, Watson and Kizer will start and will win games. I assure you!
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I really think they wanted him to play well enough for a possible trade to the Colts or RavensRight on your mother cunt. Dude, what yu mean to say is..... GHOOLIE WAS RIGHT................... HUE WAS WRONG.
Ohhh Oooohh Ooooooooooh. now Kize earned he start
WHAT KIND OF AN DUMB COCKSUCKER MORTHERFUCKER even wastes time with Ass Oiler?
I really think they wanted him to play well enough for a possible trade to the Colts or Ravens
Dude...................how fucking idiotic is that? Nobody wanted the fuckstick. Not then, not now. And think about it....what if what you pondered is true? What the fuck does that say about Hue? You let your better guy sit because you want to showcase the turd you picked up?
Fucking idiotic head coach. the fucking cocksucker is incapable of making a right call. RG3, and now this bullshit.
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This all depends on how you look at things. If you are driven by enthusiasm and positive thinking, if your love for the Browns is what grills your sausage, then your M.O. is pretty straight forward, and I don't mean this to be insulting. However, this kind of a fan, which is probably 80 - 90% of the folks here, are not going to let their enjoyment and anticipation for a great year to be squashed.
As such, the support for Brock is understood. I don't share it, but I respect it and understand it.
If you are a fan like me, driven more by real-life experience, common sense and practical thinking, there are too many red flags in starting Brock to cause us optimism. Now, if you take your emotions out of this, not many will be able to, there are some very sound reasons to feel that starting Brock is not just the wrong decision, but also that it sheds a very strong negative light on the FO.
Here are what I believe should be red flags.
1) I am not interested in who is the best QB on the team right now. We should be focused on which QB can be the long-term QB. We should be focused on who WILL be the best down the road. That is the guy I want to see getting the bulk of the attention. Brock is not the best talent, he is merely the most experienced and will be seen as a better QB for not making rookie mistakes.
However, unless your rookie is allowed to make mistakes, he won't ever develop. A QB must be tried by fire, not by sitting on his ass and watching. Kizer should be getting all the focus. Not even debatable.
2) Starting Brock goes against the entire idea of building for the future, or rebuilding, or whatever you want to call it. Brock is 26. We weren't able to get him for chicken feed because he is a good prospect. Be sensible. When is the last time the Browns got the best of the 31 other NFL teams? When is the last time they jumped on a guy and found a real diamond in the rough?
People, this is the same thing with Brady Quinn. NOBODY wanted him. The odds that Brock changes his spots are the same as the odds that Whoopie Goldturd is going to give Meehan a boner. AssOiler holds on to the ball too, too, too fucking long. He is no better than Tim Couch and only marginally better than Kessler.
3) The choice of AssOiler brings Hue closer to his eventual firing. He is not an intelligent man and has created a QB quagmire. There is only a slim, slim, sliver of a chance that this will work out. If AssOiler is reborn and tears it up, Hue will gain accolades.
But that is not likely, because we know what the QB is. So, if he is average, or stinks it up, Hue brings in who? Kessler? OR Kizer, who will be unprepared and will be handed a team in shambles, a team with no familiarity with him. Disaster. There are so many reasons this decisions is fucked up I don't think TBB has enough bandwith to list them.
Look, if the fans believe you are building for the future, then you have understanding to put in the new guy, roll with it and let him attend the school of hard knocks. You work with him, go over his game, watch films, bring in supportive help, and you give him a chance to be THE guy.
Kizer is not going to get that. He is being judged NOT on potential, but by what he is right now, TODAY.
If you homers can't see how fucked up and self-defeating that is, the you really are fucked up yourselves. So you believe Brock IS THE GUY? Because that's is what starting him means. It means Kizer will never get the full monte. When and if he is brought in it will be because AssOiler is AssOiler.
EVEN WORSE............ AssOiler takes us to .500 and Kizer sits on the bench most or all year, or a big part of it. Then the kid comes in for a few games after AssOiler fucks things up again, like he always has, and BOOM.............. the Browns draft a QB in 2018 and Kizer never gets a real shot.
Look, Kizer was not my pick, but as the saying goes, if you got em, smoke em. Now, if you are telling me that you belive Brock AssOiler is worth not finding out what Kizer can become? Again, your sense of life, reality and football is really, really fucked up.
Hue did this exact same shit with Kessler. Just remember, you same fucktards who were talking about how smart it was to start RG3 and "mentor" Kessler, are now supporting the same shit Hue did last year.
For the love of a good ass fuck, people, RG3, Ass Oiler, Cutler..............these fucking people are not taking anyone, anywhere. Hue Jackson is cancer to the Browns. The only thing I hate more than this dumb motherfucker are even dumber motherfuckers who think that starting a guy who had his chance and was at best, Pagel, is the right guy to start tonight.
Un-fucking-believble.
This long post would be much more valid if Osweiler was named game one starter. As of now, though, he isnt. It's a preseason game and he'll be out in three or four drives, then Kizer will take over for probably two full quarters.
The starter of this game doesn't matter.
Kizer is still this team's future and Hue knows that. That's why he's going to be out there the longest, against mostly backups and maybe a scattered starter.
I must agree 100%. It didn't work with Hoyer, McCown and it's not going to work with Osweiler or Kessler. Osweiler is a joke and Kessler is a pretty good backup we should keep behind Kizer.This long post would be much more valid if Osweiler was named game one starter. As of now, though, he isnt. It's a preseason game and he'll be out in three or four drives, then Kizer will take over for probably two full quarters.
The starter of this game doesn't matter.
Kizer is still this team's future and Hue knows that. That's why he's going to be out there the longest, against mostly backups and maybe a scattered starter.
Since 2011 Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Russell Wilson, RG3, Andrew Luck, Derek Carr, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz have all started in their rookie years. What are the Browns waiting for? Take the plunge Hue! Anything is better than going 1-15 with the group from last year.
Trade Osweiler as soon as another QB goes down or Cutler sucks it up, Keep Kessler and start Kizer! The worst that can happen is we have a top 5 pick in a loaded 2018 Draft.
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I really think they wanted him to play well enough for a possible trade to the Colts or Ravens
Dude...................how fucking idiotic is that? Nobody wanted the fuckstick. Not then, not now. And think about it....what if what you pondered is true? What the fuck does that say about Hue? You let your better guy sit because you want to showcase the turd you picked up?
Fucking idiotic head coach. the fucking cocksucker is incapable of making a right call. RG3, and now this bullshit.
Desparation can be our friend, if Lucks out 6 games they will be desperate. If Flaccos back issue lingers and they are stuck with Mallet same deal. Mallet makes Os look like a hall of famer.Dude...................how fucking idiotic is that? Nobody wanted the fuckstick. Not then, not now. And think about it....what if what you pondered is true? What the fuck does that say about Hue? You let your better guy sit because you want to showcase the turd you picked up?
Fucking idiotic head coach. the fucking cocksucker is incapable of making a right call. RG3, and now this bullshit.
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I'm not too high on Brock Lobster but none of the QBs have emerged as the guy, lots of preseason left.
If he continues to absolutely suck then I'd like to see them go with one of the younger guys starting week 1.
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The "not suck" is far outweighed by the "suck", however. He wasn't really good in Denver, either. He had two games with over a 100 rating, and the rest were in the low 70s - low 80s range.
For all but two of his career starts, he's been pretty average.
Regardless, none of this matters because he's only getting the start so that Kizer will get more snaps in this game against backups in order to boost his confidence. That's how you correctly groom a rookie QB.
OK, if he is only there to groom a rookie QB, I am fine with that. But I am still going to judge what he does with the Cleveland Browns.......not on whatever he may have done elsewhere.
I mean, look at it this way: at one time you really sucked swamp water as a poster on this board, but you have improved over the last few years. So, you see, it can happen!!
I mean, look at it this way: at one time you really sucked swamp water as a poster on this board, but you have improved over the last few years. So, you see, it can happen!!
And, just like most of your claims, the stats don't back that up.
No stats involved....it is the sum, substance and content that is the evidence.
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Right on the money. I feel like Kizer earned next weeks start. He held the ball a few times but overall seems to have it.
Right on your mother cunt. Dude, what yu mean to say is..... GHOOLIE WAS RIGHT................... HUE WAS WRONG.
Ohhh Oooohh Ooooooooooh. now Kize earned he start
WHAT KIND OF AN DUMB COCKSUCKER MORTHERFUCKER even wastes time with Ass Oiler?
Right on your mother cunt. Dude, what yu mean to say is..... GHOOLIE WAS RIGHT................... HUE WAS WRONG.
Ohhh Oooohh Ooooooooooh. now Kize earned he start
WHAT KIND OF AN DUMB COCKSUCKER MORTHERFUCKER even wastes time with Ass Oiler?
Well....when you give 5 different opinions about the same subject, you may have a chance of being right on one of them.
I mean, its like laying down a 2 dollar bet on every single horse in a race and then saying: see, I was right, I won!
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Lots of QBs got traded, let go etc. and did well after not being so great the first time around. Ever hear of Brett Favre? Len Dawson? Jim Plunkett? Ron Jaworski? John Unitas? Sonny Jurgenson? Tobin Rote? Fran Tarkenton? Drew Brees? Brad Johnson? Steve Young? --it happens.
What about Doug Williams?
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None of the Brown's QB's looked impressive last night, but it IS just preseason.
At the risk of sounding like a fisherman (you know the one that got away) did anyone besides myself, keep an eye on how Mitch played last night?
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
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