Garrett Hurt Already
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So in 2 years he'll be the next jadaveon Clowney....
While his orig coaching staff and FO will be assistants somewhere else or just outta da biz.
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Boo, thats what 99% of the people here believe. Hoorta believes you can have clumsy fatasses block their way to the SB. Flugel is just concerned with saying In (insert asshole) We Trust, and Gipper is suffering with the effects of his mother dropping him on his head.
I have never seen a bigger bunch of fucktards who believe you build a team first and then just plug in a QB.
Well....guess which team did EXACTLY that: the team known as the fucking Pittsburgh Steelers did exactly that. They built up their entire team, defense, offensive line, run game...then plugged in BR. They went 15-1 his rookie season...then won the Super Bowl the next year.
How can you be so dim on the history of the sport to not know this. Expecially since you have become a Steeler pole smoker.
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Look.....what you get first is kind of a stupid argument......everyone knows you need a qb......BUT, on average, there is only one a year to be had....soooo, you get one when you get one.....thats how it goes....and you constantly try to draft the best players and build the best team possible, whilst looking for that QB....
Sometimes there is a great one and you just happen to be the first pick.....or.....sometimes you get lucky with one who is picked later....
None the less....there are always about 15 "good" ones in the league(at any given time)...and there are 32 teams.....so, at one per year, it will take, in theory, 32 years for each team to get one......and since things dont work out perfectly balanced, some teams will get 2, whist others dont get any.....
Examples....Colts vs Browns....in fact, it has been EXACTLY 32 years since we drafted a franchise type QB(so we are due)......and the Colts get 2 in 15 years.....
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Riddle me this boo-bird... How many great QBs have won a SB without a great HC?
@boo-fagley said:
Build it and they will win super bowls with Joe Blow happens infrequently.
Look at the teams always in the Super Championship conversation? They have real QBs. About 25% of the teams self destruct per shitty QB play - the Tierod Taylors of the NFL. Another 25% are unproven hopefuls like the Bortles and Mariotas. Bridgewater before he got hurt. 25% more are the Super Bowl prick teasers - Amish Luck, Dalton and the Newtons. They will get you in the playoffs and maybe inside a Super Bowl without paying for a ticket, but deep down you know a kick in the nutsack is coming. The final and cream of the crop 25% are your Rodgers, Ben and Bradys. Heading into a draft youre not thinking about the QB position, but how to build a better club around them.
There are currently four, consensus "elite" QBs in the League and three are near the end. Before Peyton hung them up there were five.
Since Tom Terrific won his first in SB 36 (XXXVI) how many of the 16 have the elite won? A: Eleven.
There's no doubt that an elite QB gives a team a serious edge, but if five times in sixteen is "infrequent", then I do not know what the word means.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Riddle me this boo-bird... How many great QBs have won a SB without a great HC?
@boo-fagley said:
Build it and they will win super bowls with Joe Blow happens infrequently.
Look at the teams always in the Super Championship conversation? They have real QBs. About 25% of the teams self destruct per shitty QB play - the Tierod Taylors of the NFL. Another 25% are unproven hopefuls like the Bortles and Mariotas. Bridgewater before he got hurt. 25% more are the Super Bowl prick teasers - Amish Luck, Dalton and the Newtons. They will get you in the playoffs and maybe inside a Super Bowl without paying for a ticket, but deep down you know a kick in the nutsack is coming. The final and cream of the crop 25% are your Rodgers, Ben and Bradys. Heading into a draft youre not thinking about the QB position, but how to build a better club around them.
There are currently four, consensus "elite" QBs in the League and three are near the end. Before Peyton hung them up there were five.
Since Tom Terrific won his first in SB 36 (XXXVI) how many of the 16 have the elite won? A: Eleven.
There's no doubt that an elite QB gives a team a serious edge, but if five times in sixteen is "infrequent", then I do not know what the word means.
Riddle me this boo-bird... How many great QBs have won a SB without a great HC?
There are currently four, consensus "elite" QBs in the League and three are near the end. Before Peyton hung them up there were five.
Since Tom Terrific won his first in SB 36 (XXXVI) how many of the 16 have the elite won? A: Eleven.
There's no doubt that an elite QB gives a team a serious edge, but if five times in sixteen is "infrequent", then I do not know what the word means.
Four? Let em guess who those are supposed to be: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ben R? (Where do Rivers and Eli rate? What about Ryan and Newton...two SB losers? And Flacco...an SB winner?
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Oh no. no. no. no. no.....big nig mistake. Brisett has a far better QB management team behind him, and a much more successful and smarter HC. There is no argument here. Brisett was on his way to beating the Cardinals. Kizer has never been in a situation where he could win a game. Brisett will have a better game than Kizer. He will beat the Browns.
Short memory....just two weeks ago Kizer very well may have been in a situation to win a game. He led the team to a TD vs. the Steelers, bringing them to within 3 pts. They were in a situation where the COULD win. Had the defense held the Steelers instead of giving up first downs, Kizer may have led them into position to win.
Oh no. no. no. no. no.....big nig mistake. Brisett has a far better QB management team behind him, and a much more successful and smarter HC. There is no argument here. Brisett was on his way to beating the Cardinals. Kizer has never been in a situation where he could win a game. Brisett will have a better game than Kizer. He will beat the Browns.
Short memory....just two weeks ago Kizer very well may have been in a situation to win a game. He led the team to a TD vs. the Steelers, bringing them to within 3 pts. They were in a situation where the COULD win. Had the defense held the Steelers instead of giving up first downs, Kizer may have led them into position to win.
Gip, you nailed it on this one. This is exactly what i came away with on the game. And our receivers didn't help us either. I choose to believe if we draft one or two stud WRs next year and a good CB, we will be in the running for division champs. But I have my doubts based on history,.
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Kizer throws behind to many receivers. Browns fans make excuses for the QB. It is their nature.
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Riddle me this boo-bird... How many great QBs have won a SB without a great HC?
There are currently four, consensus "elite" QBs in the League and three are near the end. Before Peyton hung them up there were five.
Since Tom Terrific won his first in SB 36 (XXXVI) how many of the 16 have the elite won? A: Eleven.
There's no doubt that an elite QB gives a team a serious edge, but if five times in sixteen is "infrequent", then I do not know what the word means.
Four? Let em guess who those are supposed to be: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ben R? (Where do Rivers and Eli rate? What about Ryan and Newton...two SB losers? And Flacco...an SB winner?
Four? Let em guess who those are supposed to be: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ben R? (Where do Rivers and Eli rate? What about Ryan and Newton...two SB losers? And Flacco...an SB winner?
Don't take the bait anyone
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Don't use this year's Pats team as an example of much.. including week3 they're giving up the most yards-per-play of any team in the league. They just made Watson look like an All-Pro..
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Four? Let em guess who those are supposed to be: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ben R? (Where do Rivers and Eli rate? What about Ryan and Newton...two SB losers? And Flacco...an SB winner?
Don't take the bait anyone
Don't take the bait anyone
Not taking it all....but....I ......have....to.....reply.................
Four? Let em guess who those are supposed to be: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ben R? (Where do Rivers and Eli rate? What about Ryan and Newton...two SB losers? And Flacco...an SB winner?
1) Concensus.......that was the word he used......consensus......
2) I remember you fighting me, tooth and nail, that Rivers was NOT elite......just saying(he is, btw)......and Eli, Flacco & Newton are not elites....just goodish....
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Kizer throws behind to many receivers. Browns fans make excuses for the QB. It is their nature.
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Don't take the bait anyone
Not taking it all....but....I ......have....to.....reply.................
Four? Let em guess who those are supposed to be: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ben R? (Where do Rivers and Eli rate? What about Ryan and Newton...two SB losers? And Flacco...an SB winner?
1) Concensus.......that was the word he used......consensus......
2) I remember you fighting me, tooth and nail, that Rivers was NOT elite......just saying(he is, btw)......and Eli, Flacco & Newton are not elites....just goodish....
Not taking it all....but....I ......have....to.....reply.................
1) Concensus.......that was the word he used......consensus......
2) I remember you fighting me, tooth and nail, that Rivers was NOT elite......just saying(he is, btw)......and Eli, Flacco & Newton are not elites....just goodish....
You talking to me? I am not sure...if I said that Rivers is not elite...that I have changed my mind. I was just questioning Tour on his QB strata...and asking about these other guys...because he was being coy...and apparently wanting us to guess who he had in mind. Yes...I just played along...and took the bait. Me and You can make our own strata.
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Kizer throws behind to many receivers. Browns fans make excuses for the QB. It is their nature.
Kizer throws behind to many receivers. Browns fans make excuses for the QB. It is their nature.
Plenty of examples of blame on both ends of our passes, but I agree that there's a growing tendency to blame the receiving end.
Don't take the bait anyone
Bait? I bait?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Kizer throws behind to many receivers. Browns fans make excuses for the QB. It is their nature.
Plenty of examples of blame on both ends of our passes, but I agree that there's a growing tendency to blame the receiving end.
Don't take the bait anyone
Bait? I bait?
Plenty of examples of blame on both ends of our passes, but I agree that there's a growing tendency to blame the receiving end.
Bait? I bait?
No, Gipper baits.
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Kizer throws behind to many receivers. Browns fans make excuses for the QB. It is their nature.
Plenty of examples of blame on both ends of our passes, but I agree that there's a growing tendency to blame the receiving end.
Don't take the bait anyone
Bait? I bait?
Plenty of examples of blame on both ends of our passes, but I agree that there's a growing tendency to blame the receiving end.
Bait? I bait?
Sure, I will bite a bit. Kizer went 22/47 for a 46.8 completion pct. Let's assume for a moment that every one of those 8 catches had been made. It would have given him a 30/47...or a 63.8 completion pct. That would have been pretty darn good. Lets say that only half of those would have been made, that would be 26/47 or 55.3%. No great, but not terrible.
The question of course is....what would the outcome have been had all or even half of those drops been caught?
And beyond that...how would that have helped the defense not cack up a furball every time they saw T.Y. Hilton on the field or saw Brissett running the ball.
I mean....the browns scored 28 points. That SHOULD be enough to win a lot of ball games. It would have been enough to beat both Pitt. and Balt. But we let the shitt Colts...and I still think they are shitty....run rampant on our defensive backs.
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No, Gipper baits.
Ah... wouldn't know. I'm on a Gip-free vacation.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
No, Gipper baits.
Ah... wouldn't know. I'm on a Gip-free vacation.
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No, Gipper baits.
Gipper dinner - live bait
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No, Gipper baits.
Gipper dinner - live bait
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