Kizer
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@ghoolie said:
So what you are saying is, if they play a losing game 15 times, they will win 15 games?
You are saying that Kizer getting sacked is a good thing?
You are saying that not being able to run the ball is a good thing?
So, let me ask this.................the Browns lost the last game of the 2016 season in OT to the Steelers...........27 - 24
But this year, we IMPROVED at QB, OL, and we got this badass DC.................SO.....if we played them close last year..........and we improved in the off season...........why are the results the same?
Being a fan is fun. But what fucking world do you people live in? "Had it not been for the blocked punt?" Every fucking loss you guys come up with some bullshit about HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR.................IF HE MAKES THAT PLAY...................... DOn't you fucking realize that there is stuff on the other side that if it didn't happen, the Steelers would have won by more? Ben uncharacteristically missing two long wide open receivers.....a Browns drive fueled not by plays but by penalties?
Look, you fucking dimwits, the Browns have not improved measurably in ANY category that will convert losses to wins. here is not such fucking thing as an ALMOST WIN. A loss is a loss is a loss.
Greg WIlliams? YAWN. He had Ben pinned back in the dog pound..........did he get a three and out? Did he sack Ben? AH...no....Ben stuck his foot up WIlliams ass and completed a long pass.
PLAYMAKERS............................... WE HAVE NONE................................this team is no better than last years.
So you are referring to the game last year where Ben, Brown and Bell sat??? We'd have fucking destroyed them today under those conditions.
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I can't wait to go into the next draft, with all of our picks, two good 1srs, and NOT need a QB.
Trade back with some QB needy team. Damn. That'll be another major in flux off talent
I can't wait to go into the next draft, with all of our picks, two good 1srs, and NOT need a QB.
Trade back with some QB needy team. Damn. That'll be another major in flux off talent
Yep-we have a real one as long as we let him make mistakes and learn as he goes. Find him a "Zeke" and an "Antonio Brown" plus another great OL and we're in high cotton.
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The youngest QB in the league has to make the extremely easy fix of learning when to throw the ball away, oh nooooo! If the Browns had only drafted Paxton Lynch we could be watching a mush for brains mook doing his best Brandon Weeden impression....that is if he could beat out a 7th rounder (he can't)
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What the fuck do you guys want out of a 21 year old starting against a Final Four Steeler team in his first time out ... Seriously, wtf?
And yes, Westside Steve, I gave the same leniency to Brady Quinn and Johnny Manziel ... difference is ... I already knew they sucked. This kid is special.
Z
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well, after tonight, if I had played Kizer instead of Dak Prescott, I would have gotten
one and nearly a half more points. Not bad for Kizer's first regular season game.
Amazing poise, made a few mistakes...watch out the rest of the season. Kizer is really a gem of a
qb. He's the real deal.
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Kid looks like the real deal. Yes he made mistakes, but you have to be a fool to think he won't improve. It's his very first game people!
I'll tell you what, it never felt like we had no chance to make a first down. Kizer can deliver the ball in spots other qbs can't. He can get big yardage, he can scramble and run to extend plays. He's been a hair off on several big passes so far in ps and today., but Maybe if he had a wr like Brown who caught everything in his general vicinity, instead of Britt, he'd have won.
Or any running game at all. Most of his issues will be fixed with experience. He seems like a real leader, and the team responds well with him back there.
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@boo-fagley said:
Despite getting sacked 7 times the Browns were in it the whole game. I wish that I could have seen your face when the Browns converted the 2 point conversion. The Browns gift wrapped 7 points on the punt and Kizer threw a brutal INT to BJ Watt. A rookie QB gave the Steelers a scare.
Garret didnt even play.
I was at the Browns Backers get together with my friends. Ron Fittes, Ron Darling, Mike Fittes and a few other long timers. I told them I fully expected a successful 2 point conversion.................followed by Ben and company making plays to end the game. I boasted that the TD and conversion meant absolutely nothing. SO, the look on my face was calm. I expected it. What I would have liked to see, was the looks on your faces when Ben broke the Browns back with a really well thrown long ball.........
Ahhhhhh................not THOSE would have been some sour faces.
A scare? How was it a scare? he Steelers had the ball and the lead? What scare are you talking about?
You know, this is the same shit with you guys every fucking year. And still, no matter how many times I tell you jackoffs ahead of time EXACLTY what you will say after the loss, you guys STILL say this stupid shit.............
If only we make that play......If the ref doesn't throw that flag, we win.......Take away that one play, and we win. Fuck dude, it doesn't work that way. From the Steeler side there are just as many IF only moments.............he Steelers basically gave the browns 75% of the yards on their last drive. IF THE STEELERS DON'T MAKE THOSE STUPID PENALTIES THEY WIN BY 18 POINTS. IF BEN DOESN'T UNCHARACTERISTICALLY MISS TWO WIDE OPEN WRS ON LONG PASSES, THIS IS A BLOWOUT........
The Browns got beat. They got outplayed. When they needed plays, they had no playmakers. Big Bad Greg Williams sure didn't do anything but kiss Bens nutsack on the last Steeler drive, did he?
7 sacks. All I head for the last 17 years is how we need a great OL. So you got it. What difference did it make in this game? 7 fucking sacks. Why? NO PLAYMAKERS ON OFFENSE. The blocked punt meant nothing. We were punting deep and Ben would have had great field position. The would have driven for a TD in all likelyhood. Then the Browns last TD never would have happened, time woudl have expired.
Look dude, you can't rewrite the fucking game. The Browns got their ass handed to them at home. 0 -1 and the Ravens won't be any easier. Once again, the Browns players got laid out. Without all the bad ref calls, The Steelers win this by 18 points. None of that shit matters. They made plays, they wiped their ass with WIlliams pussy ass defense, and they sacked the living shit out of Black Tarkenton. Seriously, Kizer Blows.
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What the fuck do you guys want out of a 21 year old starting against a Final Four Steeler team in his first time out ... Seriously, wtf?
And yes, Westside Steve, I gave the same leniency to Brady Quinn and Johnny Manziel ... difference is ... I already knew they sucked. This kid is special.
Z
Zombo said:
What the fuck do you guys want out of a 21 year old starting against a Final Four Steeler team in his first time out ... Seriously, wtf?
And yes, Westside Steve, I gave the same leniency to Brady Quinn and Johnny Manziel ... difference is ... I already knew they sucked. This kid is special.
Z
Theres nothing special about him that I saw.. I saw a kid who had all day to throw and held on to the ball , way too long!
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Zombo said:
What the fuck do you guys want out of a 21 year old starting against a Final Four Steeler team in his first time out ... Seriously, wtf?
And yes, Westside Steve, I gave the same leniency to Brady Quinn and Johnny Manziel ... difference is ... I already knew they sucked. This kid is special.
Z
Theres nothing special about him that I saw.. I saw a kid who had all day to throw and held on to the ball , way too long!
Theres nothing special about him that I saw.. I saw a kid who had all day to throw and held on to the ball , way too long!
Are you sure you were watching the Browns game? He needs to get it out quicker and said so himself. Having said that there were sacks where he didn't have anything like " plenty of time". Also if you didn't see some throws that made you excited about his potential I'm amazed.
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Kizer looks real. Strong arm, will learn to throw it away if there is nothing there. Based on a small one game sample he looks like the best thing they have come up with.
Oline did not play well, despite the $$$ spent on it.
Pgh had serious rust, esp. Bell. It is selfish to skip training camp.
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didnt see much pass rush either - although run stopping was real good
take the punt block td away and .....
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Theres nothing special about him that I saw.. I saw a kid who had all day to throw and held on to the ball , way too long!
Are you sure you were watching the Browns game? He needs to get it out quicker and said so himself. Having said that there were sacks where he didn't have anything like " plenty of time". Also if you didn't see some throws that made you excited about his potential I'm amazed.
Are you sure you were watching the Browns game? He needs to get it out quicker and said so himself. Having said that there were sacks where he didn't have anything like " plenty of time". Also if you didn't see some throws that made you excited about his potential I'm amazed.
I've seen a lot of guys with great arms.. Jeff George comes to mind.. I want to see a consistent body of work before christening the kid...
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He got sacked 6 times. He holds the fucking ball too long. QB of the future? Are you people out of your fucking minds? His football lifeline is about 9 games long. This fucking guy is going to get physically destroyed. ENjoy him while you can. HE HOLDS ON TO THE BALL TOO TOO TOO,,,,,, WAY TOO FUCKING LONG. That, can't be fixed. He is a dimwit.
He got sacked 6 times. He holds the fucking ball too long. QB of the future? Are you people out of your fucking minds? His football lifeline is about 9 games long. This fucking guy is going to get physically destroyed. ENjoy him while you can. HE HOLDS ON TO THE BALL TOO TOO TOO,,,,,, WAY TOO FUCKING LONG. That, can't be fixed. He is a dimwit.
Says the guy who pegged Paxton Lynch as the best QB of the 2016 draft. Paxton Lynch, who couldn't beat a 7th round pick for a starting role. QB guru you are not. The kid is smart, but most dumb people don't recognize intelligence when they see it.
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I definitely think he's a pass first guy. Maybe a little hampered that game with only 3 WR with whom he went through camp. The chemistry will develop. More intriguing than past rookie QBs we've had. Looking forward to seeing more from the guy.
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What the fuck do you guys want out of a 21 year old starting against a Final Four Steeler team in his first time out ... Seriously, wtf?
And yes, Westside Steve, I gave the same leniency to Brady Quinn and Johnny Manziel ... difference is ... I already knew they sucked. This kid is special.
Z
Zombo said:
What the fuck do you guys want out of a 21 year old starting against a Final Four Steeler team in his first time out ... Seriously, wtf?
And yes, Westside Steve, I gave the same leniency to Brady Quinn and Johnny Manziel ... difference is ... I already knew they sucked. This kid is special.
Z
Not that I expected him to be Tom Brady right out of the box but the quarterback Whisperer decided that he is the best quarterback we had in a field of four. So I expect at least decent play which is what we had. I am assuming qw will advise him on the dangers of holding onto the fucking ball forever.
As I said quite a while back I am now on the kids side. He isn't the guy I wanted but he's here now. It will be wholeheartedly in his corner once he beats the Steelers. He doesn't seem like a punk and he looks like he's ready to work hard and learn.
Of my disappointments one is the durability of Myles Garrett and one is the lack of pressure on fucking Roethlisberger. I'd have been happier to see him spend more time on the turf.
WSS
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Yeah, he has it. Mistakes were made of course but he can be a franchise QB. There's no doubt.
Yeah, he has it. Mistakes were made of course but he can be a franchise QB. There's no doubt.
Nah... there's doubt... just less of it than we are used to...
Kizer has a great fastball... but every pitcher needs another pitch and that's what I did not see. Every ball seemed to travel the flattest trajectory possible to its target... or over its target in some cases. Touch is a wonderful thing. Flat and hard just makes any window over the under coverage smaller, e.g., TJW's fine INT yesterday.
Other things a modicum of touch brings to the passing game? Receiver adjustments for one... something we did not see yesterday. Medium and Deep accuracy for another... did we see a downfield Receiver hit in stride yesterday?
But before you can anticipate with touch you have to read the D... and clearly yesterday Kizer was not even asked to read. Hell he wasn't even asked to look beyond his primary on most plays. Most of the time he was not given a secondary target in the half of the field he turned to.
Still... baby steps... there may be a lot there to bring along. No progress since his last preseason appearance is acceptable... Week 1. Afraid it will have to be Week 2 as well on the road in BLT. Week 3 in Indy? Better see more...
And again... for the "get rid of the ball" crowd...
- To get rid of the ball you need to process options... quickly. Kizer is not being asked to do that at this time.
- To dump the ball, you have to be out of the pocket. Teams are going to play to contain Kizer, to keep him in the pocket. That's what the Steelers did. The times when the timer did go off in his head, he had no escape route.
And if you are in the pocket and dump the ball only two things can happen: a flag or an INT.
Positives? Saw some... his mechanics seemed to hold up as did his generalship in playcalling and getting to the LOS.
Babysteps...
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Yeah, he has it. Mistakes were made of course but he can be a franchise QB. There's no doubt.
Nah... there's doubt... just less of it than we are used to...
Kizer has a great fastball... but every pitcher needs another pitch and that's what I did not see. Every ball seemed to travel the flattest trajectory possible to its target... or over its target in some cases. Touch is a wonderful thing. Flat and hard just makes any window over the under coverage smaller, e.g., TJW's fine INT yesterday.
Other things a modicum of touch brings to the passing game? Receiver adjustments for one... something we did not see yesterday. Medium and Deep accuracy for another... did we see a downfield Receiver hit in stride yesterday?
But before you can anticipate with touch you have to read the D... and clearly yesterday Kizer was not even asked to read. Hell he wasn't even asked to look beyond his primary on most plays. Most of the time he was not given a secondary target in the half of the field he turned to.
Still... baby steps... there may be a lot there to bring along. No progress since his last preseason appearance is acceptable... Week 1. Afraid it will have to be Week 2 as well on the road in BLT. Week 3 in Indy? Better see more...
And again... for the "get rid of the ball" crowd...
- To get rid of the ball you need to process options... quickly. Kizer is not being asked to do that at this time.
- To dump the ball, you have to be out of the pocket. Teams are going to play to contain Kizer, to keep him in the pocket. That's what the Steelers did. The times when the timer did go off in his head, he had no escape route.
And if you are in the pocket and dump the ball only two things can happen: a flag or an INT.
Positives? Saw some... his mechanics seemed to hold up as did his generalship in playcalling and getting to the LOS.
Babysteps...
Nah... there's doubt... just less of it than we are used to...
Kizer has a great fastball... but every pitcher needs another pitch and that's what I did not see. Every ball seemed to travel the flattest trajectory possible to its target... or over its target in some cases. Touch is a wonderful thing. Flat and hard just makes any window over the under coverage smaller, e.g., TJW's fine INT yesterday.
Other things a modicum of touch brings to the passing game? Receiver adjustments for one... something we did not see yesterday. Medium and Deep accuracy for another... did we see a downfield Receiver hit in stride yesterday?
But before you can anticipate with touch you have to read the D... and clearly yesterday Kizer was not even asked to read. Hell he wasn't even asked to look beyond his primary on most plays. Most of the time he was not given a secondary target in the half of the field he turned to.
Still... baby steps... there may be a lot there to bring along. No progress since his last preseason appearance is acceptable... Week 1. Afraid it will have to be Week 2 as well on the road in BLT. Week 3 in Indy? Better see more...
And again... for the "get rid of the ball" crowd...
- To get rid of the ball you need to process options... quickly. Kizer is not being asked to do that at this time.
- To dump the ball, you have to be out of the pocket. Teams are going to play to contain Kizer, to keep him in the pocket. That's what the Steelers did. The times when the timer did go off in his head, he had no escape route.
And if you are in the pocket and dump the ball only two things can happen: a flag or an INT.
Positives? Saw some... his mechanics seemed to hold up as did his generalship in playcalling and getting to the LOS.
Babysteps...
Great post!
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As soon as he emerged as the guy I kept thinking about the Kizer vs Kosar comparisons. Well Bernie had a lot of more college experience including a national championship and might have been a better raw NFL talent but Kizer has some good upside including a fairly good NFL arm. Bernie was also a very young starting QB, it was quite exciting back then but he had an established team around him.
It's still real early in his becoming a good NFL QB, needs his WRs to get even better, a running game to emerge and he has to stay alive for many games yet (sorry we've been through this before ).
Will be interesting to see where this goes.
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Yeah, he has it. Mistakes were made of course but he can be a franchise QB. There's no doubt.
Nah... there's doubt... just less of it than we are used to...
Kizer has a great fastball... but every pitcher needs another pitch and that's what I did not see. Every ball seemed to travel the flattest trajectory possible to its target... or over its target in some cases. Touch is a wonderful thing. Flat and hard just makes any window over the under coverage smaller, e.g., TJW's fine INT yesterday.
Other things a modicum of touch brings to the passing game? Receiver adjustments for one... something we did not see yesterday. Medium and Deep accuracy for another... did we see a downfield Receiver hit in stride yesterday?
But before you can anticipate with touch you have to read the D... and clearly yesterday Kizer was not even asked to read. Hell he wasn't even asked to look beyond his primary on most plays. Most of the time he was not given a secondary target in the half of the field he turned to.
Still... baby steps... there may be a lot there to bring along. No progress since his last preseason appearance is acceptable... Week 1. Afraid it will have to be Week 2 as well on the road in BLT. Week 3 in Indy? Better see more...
And again... for the "get rid of the ball" crowd...
- To get rid of the ball you need to process options... quickly. Kizer is not being asked to do that at this time.
- To dump the ball, you have to be out of the pocket. Teams are going to play to contain Kizer, to keep him in the pocket. That's what the Steelers did. The times when the timer did go off in his head, he had no escape route.
And if you are in the pocket and dump the ball only two things can happen: a flag or an INT.
Positives? Saw some... his mechanics seemed to hold up as did his generalship in playcalling and getting to the LOS.
Babysteps...
Nah... there's doubt... just less of it than we are used to...
Kizer has a great fastball... but every pitcher needs another pitch and that's what I did not see. Every ball seemed to travel the flattest trajectory possible to its target... or over its target in some cases. Touch is a wonderful thing. Flat and hard just makes any window over the under coverage smaller, e.g., TJW's fine INT yesterday.
Other things a modicum of touch brings to the passing game? Receiver adjustments for one... something we did not see yesterday. Medium and Deep accuracy for another... did we see a downfield Receiver hit in stride yesterday?
But before you can anticipate with touch you have to read the D... and clearly yesterday Kizer was not even asked to read. Hell he wasn't even asked to look beyond his primary on most plays. Most of the time he was not given a secondary target in the half of the field he turned to.
Still... baby steps... there may be a lot there to bring along. No progress since his last preseason appearance is acceptable... Week 1. Afraid it will have to be Week 2 as well on the road in BLT. Week 3 in Indy? Better see more...
And again... for the "get rid of the ball" crowd...
- To get rid of the ball you need to process options... quickly. Kizer is not being asked to do that at this time.
- To dump the ball, you have to be out of the pocket. Teams are going to play to contain Kizer, to keep him in the pocket. That's what the Steelers did. The times when the timer did go off in his head, he had no escape route.
And if you are in the pocket and dump the ball only two things can happen: a flag or an INT.
Positives? Saw some... his mechanics seemed to hold up as did his generalship in playcalling and getting to the LOS.
Babysteps...
Good analysis Tour except I would say his baby steps were very good ones . Zombo summed it up that this was a rookie QB playing his first NFL game against the Steelers and overall gave a very good account of himself. He should only get better with more experience. Everything I read about Kizer is that he has excellent work habits and Hue should be able to develop him. Hate to lose to the Steelers but we gave them all they could handle.
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He got sacked 6 times. He holds the fucking ball too long. QB of the future? Are you people out of your fucking minds? His football lifeline is about 9 games long. This fucking guy is going to get physically destroyed. ENjoy him while you can. HE HOLDS ON TO THE BALL TOO TOO TOO,,,,,, WAY TOO FUCKING LONG. That, can't be fixed. He is a dimwit.
He got sacked 6 times. He holds the fucking ball too long. QB of the future? Are you people out of your fucking minds? His football lifeline is about 9 games long. This fucking guy is going to get physically destroyed. ENjoy him while you can. HE HOLDS ON TO THE BALL TOO TOO TOO,,,,,, WAY TOO FUCKING LONG. That, can't be fixed. He is a dimwit.
You claim it cannot be fixed. Yet such a thing has happened to many, many young QBs....and they were fixed. Why do you think it cannot be fixed in Kizer when so many others were able to do so?
Or is it actually you saying "I know it can probably be fixed...I just don'w want it to be so that I can continue to make myself happy by being an old whiny, griping, cranky, growling malcontent...who feeds off the misery of others".?
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