3 year plan
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Will Jimmy let it get that far?
It's going to be another 12+ loss season. They are heading for 2-14
Will Hue want to stick around?
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I sincerely hope that Haslam sticks with the plan. This team started last year pretty much like an expansion team with Joe Thomas.
But nothing Haslam has done since he bought the team indicates he will do so.
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three year plan? When do we get to keep deciding when the 'new plan' starts and stops? thats not the way this works...obviously if hue wins 3 games or less he is fired..coaches never get brought back going 4-28 over 32 games.
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Good God this is an idiotic discussion.
The organization is 1-18....... How can you talk about 2 more year of this shit? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
There is not one single area on this team that is promising or improved. The penalties, dropped passes, turnovers lack of playmakers and poor game decisions are no better.
What the fuck do you see improving that you are willing to watch more of this shot.
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They better bring him back.
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With all the draft picks they've had, you can't help but wonder....Why no playmakers? Haven't seen flashes of one either.
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With all the draft picks they've had, you can't help but wonder....Why no playmakers? Haven't seen flashes of one either.
With all the draft picks they've had, you can't help but wonder....Why no playmakers? Haven't seen flashes of one either.
Considering all the picks they had in the '16 Draft, I'm underwhelmed.
From this year's draft, I've seen flashes from Njoku. Peppers is stationed in another zip code at safety, returning kickoffs is a nonentity anymore, and there's been a lot of fair catches in the punt return game. Garrett hasn't played yet.
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I am rapidly reaching the conclusion that this whole Shit show has it's roots in analytics. At least the anal part. I'm seeing different kinds of shit. 1-18 is new. Oh well, different year, same record.
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three year plan? When do we get to keep deciding when the 'new plan' starts and stops? thats not the way this works...obviously if hue wins 3 games or less he is fired..coaches never get brought back going 4-28 over 32 games.
three year plan? When do we get to keep deciding when the 'new plan' starts and stops? thats not the way this works...obviously if hue wins 3 games or less he is fired..coaches never get brought back going 4-28 over 32 games.
But it has to start now!!!! He's only been here 1 year and 3 games. We will never get to where the Steelers are by firing our HCs after 1 or 2 years. I fully expects/hopes that he Keeps Hue. I'm sorry, but it starts now with giving a coach time.
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With all the draft picks they've had, you can't help but wonder....Why no playmakers? Haven't seen flashes of one either.
With all the draft picks they've had, you can't help but wonder....Why no playmakers? Haven't seen flashes of one either.
Next season we draft the top WR and CBs. We'll be going into our third years and the team will look complete different.
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Good God this is an idiotic discussion.
The organization is 1-18....... How can you talk about 2 more year of this shit? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
There is not one single area on this team that is promising or improved. The penalties, dropped passes, turnovers lack of playmakers and poor game decisions are no better.
What the fuck do you see improving that you are willing to watch more of this shot.
Good God this is an idiotic discussion.
Particularly when you contribute.
The organization is 1-18....... How can you talk about 2 more year of this shit? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
A....we have NO choice or say so in the matter, now do we? B. It won't actually come to that anyway.
There is not one single area on this team that is promising or improved. The penalties, dropped passes, turnovers lack of playmakers and poor game decisions are no better.
No one would actually expect you to pay any attention to what is or is not happening with this team. You just want to play fantasy fucked up football in between your ears.
What the fuck do you see improving that you are willing to watch more of this shot.
This defense will start to play better. The rookie QB will begin to learn and to play better. The OL and run game will get untracked (it would help if they actually get a lead in the game). The WRs? Not sure. Leslie may be a go to guy.
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I am rapidly reaching the conclusion that this whole Shit show has it's roots in analytics. At least the anal part. I'm seeing different kinds of shit. 1-18 is new. Oh well, different year, same record.
I am rapidly reaching the conclusion that this whole Shit show has it's roots in analytics. At least the anal part. I'm seeing different kinds of shit. 1-18 is new. Oh well, different year, same record.
But, FYI....the Patriots 5 Championships also have their roots in analytics. Yes, it does. So that, in and of itself is no excuse.
What Belichick hinted at, is that the Patriots use analytics. Belichick doesn’t talk about it publicly because he never gives any strategies away publicly, but he has long relied on analytics. One of his most trusted advisors is Ernie Adams, the Patriots’ football research director, who was a municipal bonds trader before he worked for Belichick, first in Cleveland and then in New England. Many of the methods that sports statistical analysts use are rooted in the same methods used to analyze economic data. Adams understands both, and that makes him valuable to Belichick.
Looking at Belichick’s strategies, it’s clear that he thinks along the same lines as the analytics people. In the NFL draft, Belichick prefers trading down to trading up, and he particularly likes to trade a pick this year for a higher pick next year. That suggests that he’s studied the economic phenomenon of hyperbolic discounting.
On the sideline, the most controversial call of Belichick’s career appeared to be influenced by analytics: When Belichick went for it on fourth-and-2 from his own 28-yard line in a 2009 game against the Colts, it was the analytics people who said he had made the mathematically correct decision, while most football fans and media members thought Belichick had lost his mind.
That approach to analytics goes to the very top of the organization. The Patriots’ official website wrote this year that “You may not find a bigger believer in data and analytics than New England Patriots Owner Robert Kraft.”
So if the Patriots use analytics, why is Belichick so insistent that he doesn’t give a damn about analytics websites? The first answer is obvious: Belichick never gives anything away. He doesn’t want other teams to know the types of data the Patriots track.
But the other answer may be more important: Belichick was specifically asked about websites that track how quickly a quarterback releases the football, and Belichick has always been particularly skeptical about anyone who tries to analyze the game on the field without knowing the play that was called. Belichick added in his answer that “As far as a quarterback goes, read the coverage, throw the ball to the open receiver and take the best matchup. . . . The quarterback’s got to read the coverage, make the right decision and make an accurate throw.” Belichick’s view is that if you don’t know what play the Patriots called, you can’t accurately assess whether Tom Brady correctly read through his progressions and threw to the receiver with the best matchup.
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I sincerely hope that Haslam sticks with the plan. This team started last year pretty much like an expansion team with Joe Thomas.
But nothing Haslam has done since he bought the team indicates he will do so.
I sincerely hope that Haslam sticks with the plan. This team started last year pretty much like an expansion team with Joe Thomas.
But nothing Haslam has done since he bought the team indicates he will do so.
Disagree... the fact that he did what he did his first years of ownership and they produced no sustainable results us exactly what guarantees a different approach, i.e., Hue gets a year three.
With all the draft picks they've had, you can't help but wonder....Why no playmakers? Haven't seen flashes of one either.
When you build a house do you frame it first or pour concrete?
d2f nailed it... WRs and RBs are among the easiest pieces to add, either thru the draft or FA.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I sincerely hope that Haslam sticks with the plan. This team started last year pretty much like an expansion team with Joe Thomas.
But nothing Haslam has done since he bought the team indicates he will do so.
Disagree... the fact that he did what he did his first years of ownership and they produced no sustainable results us exactly what guarantees a different approach, i.e., Hue gets a year three.
With all the draft picks they've had, you can't help but wonder....Why no playmakers? Haven't seen flashes of one either.
When you build a house do you frame it first or pour concrete?
d2f nailed it... WRs and RBs are among the easiest pieces to add, either thru the draft or FA.
Disagree... the fact that he did what he did his first years of ownership and they produced no sustainable results us exactly what guarantees a different approach, i.e., Hue gets a year three.
When you build a house do you frame it first or pour concrete?
d2f nailed it... WRs and RBs are among the easiest pieces to add, either thru the draft or FA.
I agree with the basic premise except that I seem to recall drafting 4 WRs last year and now we have problems at WR. The talent selection has been nothing but horrid. Sure you gotta have a framework first. I agree. Problem is that it certainly does seem like it's the termites in charge of building the frame. Looking shaky to me.
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Good God this is an idiotic discussion.
Particularly when you contribute.
The organization is 1-18....... How can you talk about 2 more year of this shit? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
A....we have NO choice or say so in the matter, now do we? B. It won't actually come to that anyway.
There is not one single area on this team that is promising or improved. The penalties, dropped passes, turnovers lack of playmakers and poor game decisions are no better.
No one would actually expect you to pay any attention to what is or is not happening with this team. You just want to play fantasy fucked up football in between your ears.
What the fuck do you see improving that you are willing to watch more of this shot.
This defense will start to play better. The rookie QB will begin to learn and to play better. The OL and run game will get untracked (it would help if they actually get a lead in the game). The WRs? Not sure. Leslie may be a go to guy.
ALL BULLSHIT.................... THe D will play better, Kizer will play better............................... WOW...............you really showed me some great understanding of football.
Here I am dead on prediction after prediction...................... and here you are.................making up fantasy bullshit about how things WILL get better.
Will the Browns win 6 games? WIll they Beat the Bengals? Or that " will" get better means a 28 year window? This fucking team is shit.
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ALL BULLSHIT.................... THe D will play better, Kizer will play better............................... WOW...............you really showed me some great understanding of football.
Here I am dead on prediction after prediction...................... and here you are.................making up fantasy bullshit about how things WILL get better.
Will the Browns win 6 games? WIll they Beat the Bengals? Or that " will" get better means a 28 year window? This fucking team is shit.
ALL BULLSHIT.................... THe D will play better, Kizer will play better............................... WOW...............you really showed me some great understanding of football.
Which is more than can be said for you, Dude.
Here I am dead on prediction after prediction...................... and here you are.................making up fantasy bullshit about how things WILL get better.
You should have stopped after the first 4 words of this sentence.
Will the Browns win 6 games? WIll they Beat the Bengals? Or that " will" get better means a 28 year window? This fucking team is shit.
I don't make predictions. Hell...I won't even predict that you will continue to be a dick....and most people would think that would be an easy one!
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ALL BULLSHIT.................... THe D will play better, Kizer will play better............................... WOW...............you really showed me some great understanding of football.
Which is more than can be said for you, Dude.
Here I am dead on prediction after prediction...................... and here you are.................making up fantasy bullshit about how things WILL get better.
You should have stopped after the first 4 words of this sentence.
Will the Browns win 6 games? WIll they Beat the Bengals? Or that " will" get better means a 28 year window? This fucking team is shit.
I don't make predictions. Hell...I won't even predict that you will continue to be a dick....and most people would think that would be an easy one!
23 minutes ago, Ghoolie said:
ALL BULLSHIT.................... THe D will play better, Kizer will play better............................... WOW...............you really showed me some great understanding of football.
Which is more than can be said for you, Dude.
Here I am dead on prediction after prediction...................... and here you are.................making up fantasy bullshit about how things WILL get better.
You should have stopped after the first 4 words of this sentence.
Will the Browns win 6 games? WIll they Beat the Bengals? Or that " will" get better means a 28 year window? This fucking team is shit.
I don't make predictions. Hell...I won't even predict that you will continue to be a dick....and most people would think that would be an easy one!
Ghoolie also predicted Hue was going to get fired last year. (wrong). The Bengals will go 11-5 this year. (They only need to go 11-2 to make that happen, I got $100 that says he's wrong again.) Paxton Lynch is going to be the bomb, Kizer and Garrett are going to be busts. Betting he's wrong on at least 2 out of 3 there.
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Disagree... the fact that he did what he did his first years of ownership and they produced no sustainable results us exactly what guarantees a different approach, i.e., Hue gets a year three.
When you build a house do you frame it first or pour concrete?
d2f nailed it... WRs and RBs are among the easiest pieces to add, either thru the draft or FA.
I agree with the basic premise except that I seem to recall drafting 4 WRs last year and now we have problems at WR. The talent selection has been nothing but horrid. Sure you gotta have a framework first. I agree. Problem is that it certainly does seem like it's the termites in charge of building the frame. Looking shaky to me.
I agree with the basic premise except that I seem to recall drafting 4 WRs last year and now we have problems at WR. The talent selection has been nothing but horrid. Sure you gotta have a framework first. I agree. Problem is that it certainly does seem like it's the termites in charge of building the frame. Looking shaky to me.
Not much of a resume at WR to be sure, but beyond that the talent selection has been pretty damn good, IMO.
Specific to WR... as I just posted elsewhere Coleman has been a hard luck story, but he's arguably a good pick. The rest of our 2016 WR class... not much to show, but a wide net was cast to try to improve the odds of landing some help... a sign of a staff that was not yet settled under new management, i.e., Sashi.
If you look thru the WR Class of 2016 it's not exactly a great one. In hindsight there were better picks? Yes. Aren't there always? Which were on your list prior to the draft?
Here's the list... http://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/id/1/year/2016
I don't view Hue/FO connected at all. If he can't win games, he is gonzo after this year. Then a stat headed coach will be brought in.
Can't go as far as "at all", but I'll grant you that there is distinction between them.
Sashi is Jimmah's guy. But Hue is Sashi's and Jimmah's guy... and probably Dee's to an extent as well. Since Sashi was made GM and Dee became active, the collective mantra has been "patience". I think this buys Hue at least a start of a year three with Williams on standby.
Now... should Williams get in the running for a HC job somewhere else this off-season? Then things might get more interesting.
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We'd be fools to explode the whole thing again this offseason
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