Trades?

[Mudfly]

@tour2ma said:

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Are you keeping a list?

Dont need one.....its pretty obvious that we've cut better players than their predecessors.....and we've released tons of guys who would have started OR provided quality depth for this team.....and we've given roster spots to many many players who have not earned them on the field....and when one of these rookies fails or gets hurt, there is NO go to guy waiting....no vets to show them how it's done....nothing....

Again....player development is more important to the FO than winning is....clearly....and that would be more acceptable if we were investing in developing players who looked like they actually belong on the team(or if we had a player or 2 that look like they are getting better and will be NFL caliber starters)........but. instead, we are keeping and playing guys(for too long) who obviously cant get it done.....and we are stubbornly sticking with them, when the whole world knows they bite.......and we are consistenly putting them in position to fail and not coaching to their strengths....and not giving them what they need to succeed.....

I see some of our TOP picks are being mishandled....Ogbah to LB, then DE, then LB, then DE....Schobert thrust into starting role as OLB, Peppers playing center field, Kizer(and Kessler) starting too soon, without weapons, RB's at WR.....

Who is coaching Kizer?......Certainly not Hue, he has a game to run.......(isnt he a QB whisperer???).....I see Kizer tanking on a series and then sitting on the bench(alone) waiting for his next opportunity.....and lets be clear, KESSLER was WAY better as a rookie than Kizer is......Hogan too....yet they want me to believe that Kizer "earned" the start and his short comings are do to being a rookie.....

RGIII made the earth move for Hue......Kessler was the "trust me on this one" pick.....and now Kizer is "the" guy".......smfh

Thats 3 QB's in 20 games, that this team(coach, FO) insisted were gonna be good.....yet, none have been developed......cause "next years" draft is more important than seeing if Kessler or Hogan can make a second year step.....and next years draft is more important than handling your rookie QB correctly.....

Honestly cannot take any more of this ......

[CaineDeSoulis]

Welcome to how i felt last year mud its been a long ride...

[Mudfly]

@cainedesoulis said:

Welcome to how i felt last year mud its been a long ride...

Ha!....Yep.....and I was right there with you......

You know, I used to dig deep for nuggets and stats to convince myself(and others) we were on the right track, but now when I do that, it scares me even more.....

[TexasAg1969]

Oh ye of little faith. We are a year and 1/4 into the 3-5 year plan, all without yet playing with an intact rebuilt D. Patience grasshoppers, patience.

[Mudfly]

Here is a look at 2016 and 2017 top free agents we brought in(and lost)......for example.....contributing players are in red...

2016 Signed: Robert Earth Mover Griffin(gone), Demario Thomas(gone), Rahim Moore(gone), Justin Tuggle(gone), Alvin Bailey(gone), Don Jones(gone), Terrell Pryor(gone), Austin Paztor(gone).....and Jamal Taylor(the one and only still here....and kind of sucking right now)

2016 Lost: Mack, Schwartz, Gabriel, Benjiman, Robertson, Dansby, Gipson and Bademosi.....who are all contributing to better teams....and several are playing at a very high level right now....

Also lost Whitner, Bowe, Soloman and Manziel who all make sense....

So....2016....we let a bunch of good ones go and have benefitted exactly zero from the ones we signed.....and of the ones I see gone, Im not sure we have placed a "better" player at any of those positions.......I see 2 decent WR's(we have none).....I see 2 DB's that would, at least, add quality depth(and one who woulda started)....I see 2 LB's we coulds used.....

2017 signed.....J. Tretter(who isnt that good), Keven Zietler and Kenny Britt(terrible)

2017 we traded for Asspiler(gone), Calvin Pryor(gone), Sammy Coates (ugh)

2017 lost/released/traded....Greco(depth & versatility), Demario Thomas(last years "big" signing....traded for garbage and replaced by his backup Carder....as per usual), Pryor, Haden, Paztor.....

So....in 2 years we have signed or traded for 15 veteran players and have exactly 3 contributing(and our team bites....my grandma could contribute)....to me, that represents a team that is clueless...

[Mudfly]

@texasag1969 said:

Oh ye of little faith. We are a year and 1/4 into the 3-5 year plan, all without yet playing with an intact rebuilt D. Patience grasshoppers, patience.

Screw that....5 years?>....how is that "the way to do it"????.....5 years my butt....

[TexasAg1969]

@mudfly said:

Screw that....5 years?>....how is that "the way to do it"????.....5 years my butt....

A song my grandson has come to appreciate.

[Mudfly]

apparently that applies to selecting good players.....

Tell you what.....Ill just give up my lifetime of enjoyment because this FO needs 5 years to create a team worthy of our fandom .....see ya in 2021.....

[TexasAg1969]

@mudfly said:

apparently that applies to selecting good players.....

Tell you what.....Ill just give up my lifetime of enjoyment because this FO needs 5 years to create a team worthy of our fandom .....see ya in 2021.....

LOL!

[jcam222]

@hempman said:

Thomas play is in decline and it shows. A first round pick was be a very fair offer.

Did you cough out the cloud of smoke before or after you hit submit?

[stillmotion]

@mudfly said:

apparently that applies to selecting good players.....

Tell you what.....Ill just give up my lifetime of enjoyment because this FO needs 5 years to create a team worthy of our fandom .....see ya in 2021.....

if it doesn't take five years, i'm sure jimmy will get it right in ten.

if hue jackson and sashi brown can't put together a winning football team in ten years, then they deserve to get fired.

[wargograw]

@mudfly said:

apparently that applies to selecting good players.....

Tell you what.....Ill just give up my lifetime of enjoyment because this FO needs 5 years to create a team worthy of our fandom .....see ya in 2021.....

Whew

[Tour2ma]

@mudfly said:

Here is a look at 2016 and 2017 top free agents we brought in(and lost)...

Thought you did not need a list...

@mudfly said:

Honestly cannot take any more of this ......

Then see you next year... say around February for the draft build up?

[Tour2ma]

@mudfly said:

apparently that applies to selecting good players.....

Tell you what.....Ill just give up my lifetime of enjoyment because this FO needs 5 years to create a team worthy of our fandom .....see ya in 2021.....

Nah... next year. Why? Because the move up begins next year...

Year 4 will be the playoff cusp... one way or the other.

Year 5 will be the playoff run.

As we used to say... Book It!

[Mudfly]

@tour2ma said:

Nah... next year. Why? Because the move up begins next year...

As we used to say... Book It!

Bah....I need something tangible.....and it aint there Tour.....

[Tour2ma]

@mudfly said:

Bah....I need something tangible.....and it aint there Tour.....

Maybe not for you... but I'm there already.

[Mudfly]

@tour2ma said:

... but I'm there already.

are you alone???....

[Clevfan4life]

I cant trade thonas before the seasons over dipshitz. But in the offseason, i dunno....would be nice to see joe go somewhere relevant. But then again we're prob drafting a qb next year so we'd better not trade joe without a solid plan at LT.